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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: retread]
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Why would it be more economically viable for them to want Bush instead of Kerry? I can't see the difference, really.



You call people imbeciles and you dont even understand the point Moonshoe is making. Go back and read it again, try harder.

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Actually, if it's got the word "vote" in it, and the majority of the people's vote carries teh weight, it's actually a verbatim definition of "Democracy".




Only one definition of democracy. If you see democracy as the common people being the primary source of political power then a society where the common people get one vote every four years most certainly is not a democracy.

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How does a lumber executive "own" a person? What is the "Forest conservation division"? Can you show any links to such crockery of feces?




I think Moonshoe is implying the head of the environmental organisation in question is a lumberjack exectuive. Perhaps you should put as much effort into trying to understand other peoples posts as you do into thinking up cheap insults?


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: GazzBut]
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Sorry. You Brits are alright by me. I did an internship over there for a conservative MP during the Thatcher administration. Maggie has always been one of my heros.

If you want to argue that money is power, nobody is going to argue against you. Money is power. That is never going to change.

I don't know how you define "common people". Bush and Kerry are both trying to get the most votes from everyone. Rich, poor, black, white, latino, Catholic, Jew, etc. All people are different, and everyone gets a vote.

Who do you think the common people are? Who do you think that they should vote for? How is your judgement better than that of the "common people" that already make their own choices and cast their own votes?


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: JesusChrist]
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My point is that with one vote every four years I do not feel like I am part of the primary source of political power in my country.

As for the idea that money will always be the main source of power I can only say that if thats the case things do not look good for the human race. I am able to envision futures where money will be all but irrelevant, just because you cant doesnt mean it wont happen!


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: GazzBut]
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It's interesting how you totally ignored the points that you knew I was right on, totally omitted them in your reply, and left the questionable, subjective issues open.

Democracy? Hey, if people vote, thats what it is. You might not like the way it's set up, but to say that America isn't a democracy is simply wrong. If you feel that your only method of communication with a representative is by your one vote every few years then you are still one of the lazy slackers who'd rather sit back and drink a few and bitch about "the way things are" than writing a few letters to congressmen. I'm very politically active and I've seen congressmen swayed by a large number of letters from their constituents. Sorry that our democracy doesn't involve a daily consultation with you by all members of the government, but maybe if you put forth some effort, you'd find that they are willing to listen.

I notice you didn't comment on the "four hours" of coverage that Fox News gave to the DNC, which is quite false.

Also, I asked the original poster to give some information about the "conservation position" that was "owned" by a logging executive. I'm noting that nothing has been forthcoming, and that you even continuated this stereotype without really looking it up. Hey did you hear how Arnold was wrong about his impressions of Austria? BEtter put that in your newspaper before you verify it.

Any evidence to support his claim of how 3/4ths of world's population gets force-fed their news by the mogul of Fox? Didn't think so.

As for the Kerry/Bush issue, where I said that I couldn't see any difference and you told me to read more, it was implied that rich candidates would "buy" the media outlets and use them to their advantage. Now which canditate has the money to do that... and thus, wouldn't it make more sense to elect THAT canditate, should that be the goal

You also totally neglected to comment upon this person's idea that the media is responsible for educating the populace of the canditates. Isn't it the responsibility of the voting public to educate themselves to make their vote worth while.

No evidence of the EPA being run by business interests either. Glad you ignored that one!

Nothing about "last years" use of electronic voting either...

And, of course, nothing about the "fact" that FOX news was leading the networks in forcing Bush into being our president.

The guy that you are defending has no idea what he is talking about

Geez, why are you stickin up for this whack-o


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: retread]
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You might not like the way it's set up, but to say that America isn't a democracy is simply wrong.


America is not a democracy. It's a constitutionally limited republic.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Hehe, most right wingers I know would never admit that.  :grin:

Btw lds, why did you scrap my 5 shroom rating?


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: Zahid]
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Hehe, most right wingers I know would never admit that.


Many here have stated it on many occasions.

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Btw lds, why did you scrap my 5 shroom rating?


I feel your posts here show you don't deserve it. So I deleted it.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: Zahid]
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Hehe, most right wingers I know would never admit that.

1) Since you live in Canada, how did it come about that you ever met a right-winger, let alone "know" one? As an ex-Canadian I can assure you there are maybe two thousand "right-wingers" left in the entire country, tops.

2) The ones on this board who continually point out that the US is a constitutionally-limited Republic rather than a Democracy are invariably the "righties". It's the Lefties here who believe otherwise.

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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Hehe, ok - even though that's something of a flip flop, you can keep my 5 shrooms; and I rarely hand out 5 shrooms  :cool:


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: Phred]
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1) Since you live in Canada, how did it come about that you ever met a right-winger, let alone "know" one? As an ex-Canadian I can assure you there are maybe two thousand "right-wingers" left in the entire country, tops.

2,000 right wingers? I don't think so... until about two weeks ago, I used to live in a rural Bible belt.  :stoned:


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: Zahid]
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I wonder if they call those religious areas a Quran Belt in the Middle East.

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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:

Even the education system is designed to brainwash children from age
6 to obey authority and be slaves to social pressures.

Do you have proof of a systematic effort to control the brainwash
the population and control their will?


Do what you want. Carry signs. Shout in the streets. Protest. The
newspapers will cover up your protests and run stories about children
singing at ronal reagens funeral instead. You got 250 000 rioting in
the streets against bush? the paper will say 30 000, and it will be
on page c 11, beneath the mcdonalds ad.

Coverage of protests against Republicans, globalization, the IMF(and
all that Lefty stuff)is quite extensive. Every time large protests
occur, the news media covers it.


for your question about american education.
http://www.spinninglobe.net/gattopage.htm


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: ]
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They're called Sunni Triangles.  :tongue2:


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Re: democracy is dead, and politics are a waste of time [Re: retread] * 1
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And you guys thought politics sucked in '04


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