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How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism?
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Monopoly laws and no more government subsidies?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 2
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mushrooms

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: feevers] * 3
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Can’t believe OP wants to use big government to over regulate the free market. Don’t you know even acknowledging wealth disparity is a Soviet tactic? Of course 3 people have more wealth than half of the country. That’s capitalism working just as God intended. Not sure why you hate America so much, but it is troubling.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Don't we have monopoly laws already?

They just don't work.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 4
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Do you mean anti-trust laws?

Anti-trust laws are about protecting the free market relationship between producers and consumers. It doesn’t have anything to do with wealth disparity.

If you want to prevent government from dictating how much money people earn, you should be supporting unions. Unions are the best private sector solution to wealth inequality.




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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/04/19 07:57 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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:whathesaid:


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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I was in a union once.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Do you mean anti-trust laws?

Anti-trust laws are about protecting the free market relationship between producers and consumers. It doesn’t have anything to do with wealth disparity.

If you want to prevent government from dictating how much money people earn, you should be supporting unions. Unions are the best private sector solution to wealth inequality.





This is what I am reading.



"The Sherman Antitrust makes monopoly power illegal. Under the Sherman Act monopoly power is considered the ability of a business to control a price within its relevant product market or its geographic market or to exclude a competitor from doing business within its relevant product market or geographic market."

https://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/trade_regulation/monopoly_power.htm


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 3
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Here’s one place to start. In the past 40 years, workers have become 77% more productive but only earn 14% more money. Where does the wealth that extra productivity produces go? To the owners, management, stockholders etc. These are the people who are getting rich off the more efficient and valuable labor of their employees.

https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

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From 1973 to 2017, net productivity rose 77.0 percent, while the hourly pay of typical workers essentially stagnated—increasing only 12.4 percent over 44 years (after adjusting for inflation). This means that although Americans are working more productively than ever, the fruits of their labors have primarily accrued to those at the top and to corporate profits, especially in recent years.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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I believe it mate. But thanks for the data.

I am just saying. If we prevented monopolies and government subsidies, it seems like these corporations wouldn't have as much power. Let them fail if they fail and don't let them solely control the market.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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Except during the recessions of 2001 and 2008, US Manufacturing output has grown, while manufacturing employment has tanked.




The bush years were disastrous for manufacturing


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (03/05/19 05:17 AM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
I believe it mate. But thanks for the data.

I am just saying. If we prevented monopolies and government subsidies, it seems like these corporations wouldn't have as much power. Let them fail if they fail and don't let them solely control the market.


What does that have to do with wealth disparity?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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If a bank or airline failed, and the government did not bail them out, they would no longer be rich.

And the monopolies part should be self explanatory.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 3
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Legalize smallscale home cultivation of weed and shrooms and prohibit plantations, so that many households will have the pportunirty to take part in a lucerative cottage industry.

The gov't is so much on the dick of large businesses that small businesses are dying out, and small businesses is how you solve wealth disparity. You cant even grow pumpkins and tomatoes in your garden and sell them without getting arrested.



Oh and basic income, it is time.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
If a bank or airline failed, and the government did not bail them out, they would no longer be rich.

And the monopolies part should be self explanatory.


Airlines fail. The government doesn’t bail them out. With proper regulation, banks won’t fail. The problem is they aren’t regulated like they should be. I

Again, what does this have to do with wealth disparity? When a company fails it hurts everyone. People lose their jobs.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Legalize smallscale home cultivation of weed and shrooms and prohibit plantations, so that many households will have the pportunirty to take part in a lucerative cottage industry.

The gov't is so much on the dick of large businesses that small businesses are dying out, and small businesses is how you solve wealth disparity. You cant even grow pumpkins and tomatoes in your garden and sell them without getting arrested..


Lol wut


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Legalize smallscale home cultivation of weed and shrooms and prohibit plantations, so that many households will have the pportunirty to take part in a lucerative cottage industry.

The gov't is so much on the dick of large businesses that small businesses are dying out, and small businesses is how you solve wealth disparity. You cant even grow pumpkins and tomatoes in your garden and sell them without getting arrested.






I like that.

I like that a lot.

Especially the part about selling veggies.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL]
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And what do you do the other 9 months of the year?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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Store in a root cellar and hunt.

Nah. Ahaha

But seriously


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL]
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How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism?

Planet Earth a non-profit charity organization.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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^Altruism.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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:lolsy:

America!


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL]
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Real talk: there will be no 'Murica when I take control over humanity. :cool:

Giggle all you want. :wink:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
If a bank or airline failed, and the government did not bail them out, they would no longer be rich.

And the monopolies part should be self explanatory.


In the OP you imply government intervention can alleviate wealth disparity, and here you’re saying government intervention caused the wealth disparity.


Neat.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Asante]
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Legalize smallscale home cultivation of weed and shrooms and prohibit plantations, so that many households will have the pportunirty to take part in a lucerative cottage industry.




  It’s not that easy . Allot of people growing weed or anything really makes it difficult to sell for a price that makes it worth it .  It used to be 4 to 5 gs a pound  when medical weed started in California . As law enforcement slowly stopped fucking with people ,  everyone started growing  and prices have fallen to nothing . 
  I made the most money growing weed at that price back in the day . I stopped considering it worth it about 7 years ago due to too much competion . It’s a pain in the ass and it takes money to grow top shelf shit .
  To me it seems like we are creating more jobs and prosperity through regulation . It’s created a much larger market place and allowed for more buisinesses  to exist .  It allows people to have a job working with something they love , one that gauntees you will get paid and not buried in the forrest or robbed . 
I think the mostly unregulated market that existed a few years ago in California is going to be looked at as a real low point in our pot growing history in this state .

         
  This is what happens in a well regulated legal market .

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Marijuana Industry Projected To Create More Jobs Than Manufacturing By 2020


  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/debraborchardt/2017/02/22/marijuana-industry-projected-to-create-more-jobs-than-manufacturing-by-2020/amp/

    When weed is legal , mostly unregulated and everyone and their grandma grows it , this is what happens .

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Murder Mountain is an American true crime documentary television series that premiered on Netflix on December 28, 2018.[1] The show covers an area of Northern California's Humboldt County, including the local marijuana industry, and multiple disappearances and murders that have occurred in the surrounding mountain range.[2]



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Mountain_(TV_series)


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL]
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As long as resources exist, some people will have more than others.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
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We aren't going to solve wealth inequality but we can certainly fix social security fast and easy by removing the maximum taxable earnings cap. Right now it increases every year but at something resembling the inflation rate: $127,200 for 2017, $128,700 for 2018, $132,900 for 2019. The rich and the super-rich can certainly afford to pay more.


Or we could do what the Republicans want and just screw everyone who has paid into SS all their working lives.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Brian Jones]
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:whathesaid:  :awesomenod:


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: XUL] * 3
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XUL said:
Monopoly laws and no more government subsidies?


1. More progressive taxation.
2. Increase minimum wage.
3. Free education for everyone
4. Free healthcare for everyone
5. Better transportation infrastructure, including free commuter travel in metro areas.
6. Stronger rent controls.

There are literally thousands of ways to do it that don't require socialism.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
XUL said:
Monopoly laws and no more government subsidies?


1. More progressive taxation.
2. Increase minimum wage.
3. Free education for everyone
4. Free healthcare for everyone
5. Better transportation infrastructure, including free commuter travel in metro areas.
6. Stronger rent controls.

There are literally thousands of ways to do it that don't require socialism.


What are you going to do about it?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Same thing I've been doing for years: Install toilets in third-world countries.  What about you?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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:magicfingers:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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In other words, nothing.  Why am I not surprised?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
1. More progressive taxation.
2. Increase minimum wage.
3. Free education for everyone
4. Free healthcare for everyone
5. Better transportation infrastructure, including free commuter travel in metro areas.
6. Stronger rent controls.
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Sounds like a cure to me. It fixes a lot of misery in a few steps.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
In other words, nothing.  Why am I not surprised?


I'm all for a shroomerized revolution, what say you?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Sounds like a wonderfully flakey idea


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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Qmain?

Eh?

EH?

What do you think? :kingcrankey:


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Quote:
Same thing I've been doing for years: Install toilets in third-world countries.  What about you?



 
  How do you convince third world people to use them ?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Psilynut2]
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Give them chronic diarrhea


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
Quote:
Same thing I've been doing for years: Install toilets in third-world countries.  What about you?



 
  How do you convince third world people to use them ?




Your knowledge of Shroomery history and grasp of metaphor are lacking young padawan :smile:

Developing nation toilets were actually built.

Meanwhile, why would people in developing nations lack the will to use toilets. Its lack of access, in some cases.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Asante]
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http://worldtoilet.org


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Give them chronic diarrhea


unfortunately dysentery tends to do that job already...


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Unless you're into that kind of thing.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Asante]
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Quote:
Your knowledge of Shroomery history and grasp of metaphor are lacking young padawan :smile:

Developing nation toilets were actually built.

Meanwhile, why would people in developing nations lack the will to use toilets. Its lack of access, in some cases.


Do what now ?
  My hash making skills are the reason I know this shit . The other day I made some killer hash , and I came out of my garage coughing a fucking lung out , and as I collapsed on my couch I noticed this guy on the news was going on and on about how people in India don’t like to use toilets , despite the fact that people build them for free .
  Normally I would change the channel right away but my couch is huge and the remote was on the other side so I just kinda learned about this problem sorta unwillingly .

  It’s atcually a serious issue and I don’t really apreciate you belittleing  me for bringing it up . It’s not like I make a joke out of everything I say .

Quote:
The answer though, sanitation experts say, doesn’t lie only in building more bathrooms. First, people need to learn to love using the latrine.

"Many people regard open defecation as part of a wholesome, healthy, virtuous life," a recent study conducted in Bihar, Haryana, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh found.  Researchers at the New Delhi-based


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/BL-IRTB-26828%3fresponsive=y

  Takin a dump outside is cooler for allot of people . That’s one reason why they are unwilling .
One other reason off the top of my head is mantinence cost . Hole in the bushes is cheaper , allot cheaper in the long run  .  I imagian it could be a burden for someone with no money .


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
One other reason off the top of my head is mantinence cost . Hole in the bushes is cheaper , allot cheaper in the long run  .  I imagian it could be a burden for someone with no money .


First, the toilet facilities we install are very easy to maintain.  We're not taking home depot toilets and popping them in the ground.  Second, the toilet is the single most important disease control device ever developed.  People in third-world nations aren't stupid. If you explain to them that they will get sick less often by using a toilet, they use a toilet.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Isn’t it funny that the less capitalist a society is the better off they seem to be? Regulating capitalism to the point of least acceptable exploitation is like staying with an abusive husband because he started going to church, or quit drinking.

Just dump the fucking woman beater.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Capitalism is poisonous. It toxicates non-capitalist countries.

Everybody on planet Earth wants iPhone. It's not so much about having great conversations face to face anymore, it's more about texting half-assed one-liners.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Look how the US dictates with its 4.4 percent of humanity. It has an agenda. This is warfare.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/worlds-100-valuable-brands-2018/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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When everything is automated and food is scarce non-millionaires will rot.

1% wins. :shrug:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Capitalism is the best system we've found so far.  Until we invent something better,  it's our best shot.

Also,  food is plentiful where there is more automation.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Capitalism is the best system we've found so far.

:orly:

The product of capitalist countries are all about trashing and playing strategic games with non-capitalist countries.

Until we invent something better,  it's our best shot.

It's just that the very rich will not allow anything better, that's why I say capitalism has an agenda. If capitalism is our best shot most of us are doomed and you know that.

Also,  food is plentiful where there is more automation.

My point is there will be no more food left one day. Unless we seriously up our scientific research. Imagine if everyone consumed as much as the US... :wink:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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One day, there will be no humans.

You don't know that. :shrug:

That's how evolution works.

So you know evolution is the ultimate truth? Surely you're wiser than that, Enlil.

It's not something to worry about.

Death is not something to worry about? Keep sugarcoating reality broseph.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?

I don't care about economic systems. I'm all about sharing like they do in some harmonious villages in Africa.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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If you think that humans CAN exist forever, you haven't been paying attention to what's going on around you.  If you think humans SHOULD exist forever, you've been completely blindfolded for some time now.

If you don't care about economic systems, then don't discuss them.  A few posts up, you said, "Capitalism is poisonous."  That led me to believe that you wanted to discuss it.  If you don't, then don't.

As to your hippie fairytale about people living harmoniously.  Can you give an example of that ever happening in a society of 1,000,000+ humans?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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I don't even live harmoniously with the 8 people in my office.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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If you think that humans CAN exist forever, you haven't been paying attention to what's going on around you.

Are you sure "forever" is the answer? Maybe there's something deeper much more sinister to it all, "forever" is a human concept. I assume you don't know at all, and that was my point. Living forever is a possibility but in your "rational" mindset everything is confined and 1 + 1 = 2 is the truth.

You're flat out assuming.

If you think humans SHOULD exist forever, you've been completely blindfolded for some time now.

If humanity steps up their game and revolt against your lovely capitalist system we could rack up some nifty (peaceful) lifestyles.

If you don't care about economic systems, then don't discuss them.  A few posts up, you said, "Capitalism is poisonous."  That led me to believe that you wanted to discuss it.  If you don't, then don't.

You asked me if I could name a more functioning economic system. I care not about mentioning a better economic functioning economic system. I like to think ahead of things.

As to your hippie fairytale about people living harmoniously.  Can you give an example of that ever happening in a society of 1,000,000+ humans?

Harmonious African villages where all they do is share is a model to look up to. With the right leadership it could possibly work with societies of more than one million humans.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You say it can, but it never has. There are now close to 8 billion people on this planet. What we see in the world is the product of nature.  Humans do what humans do.  You aren't going to logic humans out of their natural impulses.  That has historically never worked.

You seem to be thinking so far "ahead of things" that you're ignoring the current reality altogether.  If you want to build a computer simulation where simulated people live in harmony, that's fine.  It won't help real humans solve real human problems.

So you retreat back to your fantasy of revolution without any plan whatsoever.  You seem to think that humans are suddenly going to take back the power from whatever shadowy overlord is oppressing them and act fundamentally different from how they've acted since they first emerged in the fossil record.  It's a beautiful dream, but it's still just a dream.

The truth is:  There is no shadowy overlord.  Humans have created the only world we know how to create.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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You say it can, but it never has.

I say what can? Bold my texts like I do with your texts. To get a clear understanding of what we're debating.

You aren't going to logic humans out of their natural impulses.

Science.

If you want to build a computer simulation where simulated people live in harmony, that's fine.  It won't help real humans solve real human problems.

You said it yourself, computer simulation. Now imagine real humans within. Science and maybe something even more advanced could potentially take us there. See what I mean about thinking ahead of things? :wink:

Unfortunately your absolutely rotten capitalist system thrives on $202 trillion in wealth (by 2020) for dollar millionaire households. Meanwhile advanced neurotechnologies receive a measly $400 million in budget (2018).

You seem to think that humans are suddenly going to take back the power from whatever shadowy overlord is oppressing them and act fundamentally different from how they've acted since they first emerged in the fossil record.  It's a beautiful dream, but it's still just a dream.

All I did was stating it as a possibility if there will ever be a chance for us to exist peacefully, through altruism and science. Something big must happen, I doubt it will. And surely it won't with mindsets like yours. :wink:

The truth is:  There is no shadowy overlord.  Humans have created the only world we know how to create.

The mean entity USA INC. with it's dollar is the overlord. You should know better.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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More empty rhetoric and no solutions.

It's easy to talk about how wonderful the world could be. Doing something about it is harder. Try it sometime.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Computer simulation. Now imagine real humans within. Science and maybe something even more advanced could potentially take us there.

Unfortunately your absolutely rotten capitalist system thrives on $202 trillion in wealth (by 2020) for dollar millionaire households. Meanwhile advanced neurotechnologies receive a measly $400 million in budget (2018).

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You've yet to propose a better plan.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
You've yet to propose a better plan.


I think he clearly stated for the world to live like villages in Africa.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: qman]
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And you think that's better plan?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: qman]
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Q, it's Shangri-la over there.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/06/africa/nigeria-village-attack/index.html


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Sangria law is my kind of law.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
You've yet to propose a better plan.


Embrace me as your Messiah and things will unfold, that is merely a sketch and nothing too serious but it's a plan.

Why don't you help me out Enlil and qman. You're no dumbos. :wink:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Finally a hippy messiah!

It's about goddamn time!


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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False idol.


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XUL said:
False idol.


You're just jealous. :razz:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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Thundermuscle75 said:
Finally a hippy messiah!

It's about goddamn time!


I don't have all the answers. That's why I suggest humans like Enlil and qman backs me up. And to tell you the truth, I don't have to be the Messiah, Enlil or qman can be. Collectively, we can be the Messiah. Even you Thundermuscle75.

There are many smart people on the shroomery. Together we can make some very clever plan's. I want major changes in this world and I think everyone in the politics forum agree's with me. I'm trying to start something. :thumbup:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You don't seem to have any answers.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Fair enough.

Let me ask you, do you want major changes in this world?

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Everyone wants major changes in the world.  The problem is that not everyone wants the SAME changes.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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I said I think Enlil wants major changes. You said I have no answers. And then you say you want major changes. 

:congrats:

Everyone wants major changes in the world.

You don't know that. :wink:

The problem is that not everyone wants the SAME changes.

I'm trying to find mutual agreement to start something big but you're in my way. Activism?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You said "I don't have all the answers."  I said, "You don't seem to have any answers."

I think we've reached the end of any usefulness this conversation might have.  I'm not interested in discussing pie-in-the-sky dreams of a better world.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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You said "I don't have all the answers."  I said, "You don't seem to have any answers."

Is seem your petty keyword?

If that's so, you can now say I have one answer right.

It's a start.

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Pinkerton said:
I'm trying to start something. :thumbup:


I think we've reached the end of any usefulness this conversation might have.  I'm not interested in discussing pie-in-the-sky dreams of a better world.

:smirk:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:



Attaboy! :heart:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
I said I think Enlil wants major changes. You said I have no answers. And then you say you want major changes. 

:congrats:

Everyone wants major changes in the world.

You don't know that. :wink:

The problem is that not everyone wants the SAME changes.

I'm trying to find mutual agreement to start something big but you're in my way. Activism?


Only Enlil is allowed to be a difficult smartass on this forum.  Anybody else tries it, and he gets into a mood...

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Please keep the personal attacks out of this forum.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Here I am dancing in the middle around my comrades and progressive kin on the shroomery.



Hypnotizing neocons (Enlil, qman, XUL et al).

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You think I'm a neocon, lol.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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That is the prize of being uncompromisingly forthright.

Even Enlil has soft sides, the anti-racist part. That's something. :heart:

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Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
Everybody on planet Earth wants iPhone. It's not so much about having great conversations face to face anymore, it's more about texting half-assed one-liners.


I took a bus ride an hour ago and overheard some teenagers talking back and forth where their friend left the charging cable for her smartphone.


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What does that have to do with a child who has smallpox?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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What do you think that super-child is looking for, broseph? :smirk:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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That girls charging cable


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I'm trying to be funny but if I were that kid I wouldn't try to be funny


Nice progress koods.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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You’re not making any sense and I have no idea what your point is


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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Are you trying to say that modern society worries about silly things like charging cables as opposed to the suffering of nonexistent children with smallpox... cause modern society managed to rid the world of smallpox 30 years ago


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
koods said:
I'm trying to be funny but if I were that kid I wouldn't try to be funny


Nice progress koods.


Ok I promise to try not to be funny until we cure the world of smallpox


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
You’re not making any sense and I have no idea what your point is


:whoak:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Are you trying to say that modern society worries about silly things like charging cables as opposed to the suffering of nonexistent children with smallpox... cause modern society managed to rid the world of smallpox 30 years ago


Irony gets an eff in comprehension.

zap didn't have his heart in shape but he sure was good at debating.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Pinkerton said:
koods said:
I'm trying to be funny but if I were that kid I wouldn't try to be funny


Nice progress koods.


Ok I promise to try not to be funny until we cure the world of smallpox


It's silliness and you know it is. You want a revolution. :wink:

We can't look like drooling morons when the world is browsing shroomery. Wise up koods.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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This tune is on the speaker when me, koods, Enlil, XUL, qman (:heart:), ASANTE(!:heart:), Thundermuscle75, vault123, Guy1980, The Ecstatic, Tantrika, Bigbadwooof, MagicMush123, Brian Jones, shivas.wisdom (!!! :heart:), ballsalsa, tyrannicalrex(:rimshot:), Jokeshopbeard, DividedQuantum, LeningradCowboy, LogicaL Chaos (:heart:), SirTripAlot, Falcon91Wolvrn03, Morel Guy et al!

Takes off to end the evil entity dollarized USA INC. neocon nwo.



I'm Masihi and you know it. :cool:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Isn’t it funny that the less capitalist a society is the better off they seem to be?


Capitalist societies tend to instill the belief success (wealth) brings happiness. 

Happiness does not come with wealth, but from setting limits to one's desires.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Happiness comes with many things. To some it comes with wealth, such as the very rich with much power. Narcissism.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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"Money can't buy happiness but it will allow you to dock your yacht near enough to get a good look at it"

David Lee Roth

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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It's a quote dude. How can it possibly be true for all of humanity.

Narcissists and psychopaths want wealth and power. Look at the Trump.

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I find the quote humorous - not necessarily serious, or true for all of humanity.

But seriously, we assume when narcissists and psychopaths obtain wealth and power, this makes them happy. But do these things really make then happy? A heroin junkie may claim smack makes them happy, but does it really bring happiness? I've never seen someone nodding off who appeared to be experiencing happiness. Same with narcissists and psychopaths.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Yes, heroin makes heroinists happy. That's why they chase the dragon.

What you chase makes you happy.

Surely, there COULD be things that makes you more happy, maybe things you don't know. I agree on that. :smile:

Hey, nice philosophical dialogue we've got going here, brother. :thumbup:

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Happiness is subjective.....but in the Stoicism(like)line of thinking, happiness is good for one and those that surround him/her.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (03/08/19 08:30 PM)

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Happy literaly means having good fortune.  Like, that's what the word "happy" actually means if you dig up the etymology thereof.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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I don't know, I have had some pretty happy times that turned into nightmares.:shrug:

I also had a relative that was truly happy, only when miserable.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (03/08/19 08:46 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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The Ecstatic said:
Can’t believe OP wants to use big government to over regulate the free market. Don’t you know even acknowledging wealth disparity is a Soviet tactic? Of course 3 people have more wealth than half of the country. That’s capitalism working just as God intended. Not sure why you hate America so much, but it is troubling.



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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
Happiness is subjective.....but in the Stoicism(like)line of thinking, happiness is good for one and those that surround him/her.


It's the same mechanism.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Yes.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Please do.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil wants his iPhone X, Rolex and Audi R8.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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I wouldn't buy any apple product or a Rolex. I'll take an R8.

What was the name of your old account here?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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I wouldn't buy any apple product or a Rolex. I'll take an R8.

It's the same BS.

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He mentioned Zappaisgod, so there's got to be one.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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So I can't lurk the forums?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Answer the question.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
So I can't lurk the forums?


Lurking is fine.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Answer the question.


Go for it.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
Pinkerton said:
So I can't lurk the forums?


Lurking is fine.


My real life friend had an account here ages ago. Forgot the name. Anyway he introduced me to this site.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Please do.


Nah.  I kind of enjoy watching your contempt for me puff up like a little puffer fish whenever I swing by.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


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Enlil said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


By what measure is the United States' brand of capitalism functional? We have massive bubbles just waiting to burst, constant boom and bust cycles, our banks are bigger than when they were too big to fail, we spend an obscene amount of money on military adventurism, we have more prisons than any place in the world, terrible mental health, high infant mortality, incredible wealth inequality (and the whole host of problems that leads to), poor education standards, high crime rates, mass incarceration...

The social democracies of the Nordic countries have better healthcare outcomes, lower infant mortality, longer lifespan, less mental illness, better education standards, lower crime rates, and they are more egalitarian.

They also have quite significantly lower rates of poverty.

The fact of the matter is, America has the capability to create a much better social democracy than the Nordic countries do. We have vastly more wealth and resources.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/09/19 06:24 PM)

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Enlil said:
No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


Eh, I call bs.  If you really wanted to learn then you would have at least typed "socially democratic nations" into Google by now.  Then again, who am I to say that a lawyer would take initiative to learn on their own?  :shrug:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


Eh, I call bs.  If you really wanted to learn then you would have at least typed "socially democratic nations" into Google by now.  Then again, who am I to say that a lawyer would take initiative to learn on their own?  :shrug:


Enlil is perfectly familiar with the Social Democracies of the world. He's just trying to make the point that they are failures, in comparison to the United States, which is a silly point to make.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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XUL said:
Monopoly laws and no more government subsidies?


As to your original question, XUL, there are some simple answers.

If solving wealth inequality is your goal, then there is a simple answer. You raise the top marginal tax rate above a certain income level (say $500,000) to 100%. That puts a cap on income, so nobody can make more than $500,000 a year. Then you create an estate tax that is 100% over $1 million dollars, so nobody can inherit more than $1 million. You redistribute the wealth through tax credits to all of the people.

I don't advocate for doing this, and I don't know what the effects would be, but it could be done. Also, the rates could be set at anything, obviously.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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I'm not big on Google.  If you guys don't have an example, that's fine.  I was hoping you did. Sorry to bother you.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
I'm not big on Google.  If you guys don't have an example, that's fine.  I was hoping you did. Sorry to bother you.


I gave you an example. If you want to get specific, let's say Finland.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Bigbadwooof said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


Eh, I call bs.  If you really wanted to learn then you would have at least typed "socially democratic nations" into Google by now.  Then again, who am I to say that a lawyer would take initiative to learn on their own?  :shrug:


Enlil is perfectly familiar with the Social Democracies of the world. He's just trying to make the point that they are failures, in comparison to the United States, which is a silly point to make.


I think that he's trying to lead up to a string of posts to show everybody that I can't form an argument, mostly on account of the fact that a large part of his life has been devoted to getting into arguments with people and then trying to convince an audience that either those people or their thought processes are not credible.  In all honesty, I think that he hangs around this and the Conspiracy subforum on account of the fact that he sees so many users as low hanging fruit in that respect.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
I think that he's trying to lead up to a string of posts to show everybody that I can't form an argument, mostly on account of the fact that a large part of his life has been devoted to getting into arguments with people and then trying to convince an audience that either those people or their thought processes are not credible.  In all honesty, I think that he hangs around this and the Conspiracy subforum on account of the fact that he sees so many users as low hanging fruit in that respect.


I don't know whether or not you can form an argument. If you can, then you should! :smile:

This whole thing will be nose deep in the weeds about 20 posts from now, one way or another.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
chibiabos said:
I think that he's trying to lead up to a string of posts to show everybody that I can't form an argument, mostly on account of the fact that a large part of his life has been devoted to getting into arguments with people and then trying to convince an audience that either those people or their thought processes are not credible.  In all honesty, I think that he hangs around this and the Conspiracy subforum on account of the fact that he sees so many users as low hanging fruit in that respect.


I don't know whether or not you can form an argument. If you can, then you should! :smile:


I can but discussions with Enlil tend to lead to him descending into a flat out, angry denial of reality and a weird clusterfuck of logical fallacies.  I'd rather smoke hash and watch Invader Zim, as long as the weather is shitty enough to drive me back here.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
I can but discussions with Enlil tend to lead to him descending into a flat out, angry denial of reality and a weird clusterfuck of logical fallacies.  I'd rather smoke hash and watch Invader Zim, as long as the weather is shitty enough to drive me back here.


Invader Zim was the shit...

I haven't watched it in like 15 years, though lol

I like Rick and Morty!


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Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


Enlil said:
I'm not big on Google.  If you guys don't have an example, that's fine.  I was hoping you did. Sorry to bother you.


I just wish you were sincere. Real talk: humblenessness like that gives me life fuel and sweet desires to find new arguments for our case. :heart:

Here's me trying to dominate you. I failed as real deal alpha male, the type that sticks up for his human family.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
No contempt. I was hoping to learn something.


Eh, I call bs.  If you really wanted to learn then you would have at least typed "socially democratic nations" into Google by now.  Then again, who am I to say that a lawyer would take initiative to learn on their own?  :shrug:


Enlil is perfectly familiar with the Social Democracies of the world. He's just trying to make the point that they are failures, in comparison to the United States, which is a silly point to make.


I think that he's trying to lead up to a string of posts to show everybody that I can't form an argument, mostly on account of the fact that a large part of his life has been devoted to getting into arguments with people and then trying to convince an audience that either those people or their thought processes are not credible.  In all honesty, I think that he hangs around this and the Conspiracy subforum on account of the fact that he sees so many users as low hanging fruit in that respect.


I dig the psychology, brother. :thumbup:

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
chibiabos said:
I can but discussions with Enlil tend to lead to him descending into a flat out, angry denial of reality and a weird clusterfuck of logical fallacies.  I'd rather smoke hash and watch Invader Zim, as long as the weather is shitty enough to drive me back here.


Invader Zim was the shit...

I haven't watched it in like 15 years, though lol

I like Rick and Morty!


Torrent that shit.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Torrent that shit.


Aye aye, mate!



#imapirate


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
I'm not big on Google.  If you guys don't have an example, that's fine.  I was hoping you did. Sorry to bother you.


I gave you an example. If you want to get specific, let's say Finland.


I live in Norway, it's like a mini-USA. Finland is pretty much the same.

Hollywood, McDonald's and Facebook.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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Pinkerton said:
I live in Norway, it's like a mini-USA. Finland is pretty much the same.

Hollywood, McDonald's and Facebook.


It's not like a mini-USA. Norway is very different from the United States. The US is more than McDonalds and Facebook.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Bigbadwooof said:
Pinkerton said:
I live in Norway, it's like a mini-USA. Finland is pretty much the same.

Hollywood, McDonald's and Facebook.


It's not like a mini-USA. Norway is very different from the United States. The US is more than McDonalds and Facebook.


Norway doesn't have as many homeless elders.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Total or per capita?


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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It's not like a mini-USA.

I live here dude. :shrug:

Any direction the US takes and Norway accordingly follow along like a puppet nation. The prime minister (right-winger), Erna Solberg was thrilled to meet Donald Trump.

Did you know Norway had military troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria?

Norway is very different from the United States.

You're wrong.

We got lying politicians promising tax cuts for the poor. "Our" king and a queen lives in a fancy castle, the homeless rot away some kilometers down the road. Most brown people are poor, they're "segregated" in poor parts of Norway. You get looked at if you're brown in skin color. Cops are very authoritarian. Obesity is a growing concern. Strict drug laws. Heroin is very popular and there are many overdoses resulting in death per capita. Plastic surgery is becoming more popular. Murder, rape, sports and pretty faces rules mass media. Hey, Norwegians fucking love to read about American serial killers, it's headline news in Norwegian mass media. Big corporations have pretty much wiped out all smaller corporations. Most Norwegians are crazy patriotic and looks up to the US. I can go on for long.

It's a little less of the Christian nuttery. And we have gun laws.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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chibiabos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Pinkerton said:
I live in Norway, it's like a mini-USA. Finland is pretty much the same.

Hollywood, McDonald's and Facebook.


It's not like a mini-USA. Norway is very different from the United States. The US is more than McDonalds and Facebook.


Norway doesn't have as many homeless elders.


That's right. We've got nursing homes but the standard is shit.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Total or per capita?


Google it.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Nah,  I'll pass.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
Total or per capita?


Google it.


Google is for smallbrains.  Enlil subscribes to Lexisnexis.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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At $450 per month


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Enlil] * 1
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You sure as hell aren't getting your money's worth.

As it stands, Social Democracy appears to be the undisputed economic/political system of choice on this thread.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/09/19 09:01 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I don't see that at all.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


By what measure is the United States' brand of capitalism functional? We have massive bubbles just waiting to burst, constant boom and bust cycles, our banks are bigger than when they were too big to fail, we spend an obscene amount of money on military adventurism, we have more prisons than any place in the world, terrible mental health, high infant mortality, incredible wealth inequality (and the whole host of problems that leads to), poor education standards, high crime rates, mass incarceration...

The social democracies of the Nordic countries have better healthcare outcomes, lower infant mortality, longer lifespan, less mental illness, better education standards, lower crime rates, and they are more egalitarian.

They also have quite significantly lower rates of poverty.

The fact of the matter is, America has the capability to create a much better social democracy than the Nordic countries do. We have vastly more wealth and resources.


Read em and weep, comrade.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I see words. I don't see a lot of objective evidence there.


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
chibiabos said:
Enlil said:
One day, there will be no humans.  That's how evolution works. It's not something to worry about.

Can you name a better functioning economic system than capitalism?


Social democracy.


Can you give an example of a social democracy that you feel has worked well?


By what measure is the United States' brand of capitalism functional? We have massive bubbles just waiting to burst, constant boom and bust cycles, our banks are bigger than when they were too big to fail, we spend an obscene amount of money on military adventurism, we have more prisons than any place in the world, terrible mental health, high infant mortality, incredible wealth inequality (and the whole host of problems that leads to), poor education standards, high crime rates, mass incarceration...

The social democracies of the Nordic countries have better healthcare outcomes, lower infant mortality, longer lifespan, less mental illness, better education standards, lower crime rates, and they are more egalitarian.


They also have quite significantly lower rates of poverty.

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Poverty reduction
The Nordic model has been successful at significantly reducing poverty.[42] In 2011, poverty rates before taking into account the effects of taxes and transfers stood at 24.7% in Denmark, 31.9% in Finland, 21.6% in Iceland, 25.6% in Norway and 26.5% in Sweden. After accounting for taxes and transfers, the poverty rates for the same year became 6%, 7.5%, 5.7%, 7.7% and 9.7% respectively, for an average reduction of 18.7 p.p.[43] Compared to the United States, which has a poverty level pre-tax of 28.3% and post-tax of 17.4% for a reduction of 10.9 p.p., the effects of tax and transfers on poverty in all the Nordic countries are substantially bigger.[43] However, in comparison to France (27 p.p. reduction) and Germany (24.2 p.p. reduction) the taxes and transfers in the Nordic countries are smaller on average.[43]


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Bigbadwooof said:The fact of the matter is, America has the capability to create a much better social democracy than the Nordic countries do. We have vastly more wealth and resources.


Read em and weep, comrade.

Also, Nordic Countries Continue To Rank High In Happiness, While America Falls.

Which is probably the most important measure to be making.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/09/19 09:32 PM)

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Also, Nordic Countries Continue To Rank High In Happiness, While America Falls.


Nordic countries score high on the human development index but that's about it. We have the same misery here as in the US, it's just a mini-version. :wink:

6.7 percent of American adults, have had at least one major depressive episode in a given year. The stats are pretty much the same for Norwegians.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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Have you ever been to America?

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: chibiabos]
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Yes. It's like a mad big brother. Like really mad.

Hence the Norway is a mini version.

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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Pinkerton]
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I don't even know why I bother. Actually, I generally don't bother anymore.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
"Facts are chiels that winna ding, and downa be disputed" - Robert Burns


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Re: How can we solve wealth disparity without socialism? [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bother. :hehehe:

PS: I never said I was in disagreement with you on the social democracy thing.

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