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Re: Israel's Democracy Dilemma [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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"The Arabs hate the Israelis and if they were allowed
to elect their own leaders, who knows what might happen?"


Excuse me???????


Exactly what I said. A large percentage of Arabs hate Israel. If
this large percentage of people elects leaders whom they agree with,
the Middle East could have governments who are even more anti-Israel
that they are now. ..Now I personally don't give a shit about this
because I am of the opinion that the Middle East is a shithole that
America should not be involved in. I was merely stating a possible
outcome to Arab democracy.


The same arguement could be applied to America and other countires,
and it would sound just as stupid.

Americans don't chant, "Death to Arabs" in mass rallies. Americans
don't hang billboards disparaging Arab countries. Americans
don't make it a habit of intentionally targeting innocent civilians
on a regular basis. Americans don't jump for joy when Arabs die.
Yet, they do all of these things to us. Given what a hold Islamic
extremism has on so many people over there, there is a possibility
that something bad could happen if they were allowed to elect
their own rulers(and again, I will say that it is none of our
business anyway).


Look Palestine is occupied ,ever since 1967 Israel has gone deeper
and deeper , setting up settlements inside palestine, many of these
settlements are right in the middle of huge areas of palestians.

Do you think that if the Arabs had conquered Israeli land, that
they would have not taken advantage of it? They would have and
you know it. I am not an Israeli apologist, but neither am I
an Arab apologist(as you seem to be).


That being said, how would you feel if another country took your land
and started putting in EXTREMIST zionsit settlers ???

And isn't it hilarious that the Arabs started every one of those
wars. And I am including the one where Israel pre-empted because
of Arabs massing troops with the intent to attack.


what would you do when a terrorist group "the women in green" killed
your family?? or one of the other many zionist terror
organizations????killed someone you know??????

I have never been in that situation, so I can't say. Why don't you
ask some of the families of innocent civilians who were murdered
by Palestinian terrorists?


It is so easy to watch TV and think Israel is the big victim,
Israeli's ARE VICTIMS, but their government SHARES the blame, for it
is their actions that cause the "terrorism" and it is terrorism ,
dont get me wrong, but it is terror in response to terror.


And it's so easy to get news from Left-Wing slanted outlets who
spout biased garbage and frame everything into a conflict where
there are the "oppressors" and the "oppressed". And it never fails
that the "oppressed" get unconditional support and good press, no
matter how despicable their actions are.


A recent poll, and you can quote me and YES I CAN find the source,
found that "60% of Israelis would give up MOST if not ALL of the
settlements in the occupied territories in exchange for, real peace."

Well, then they can elect leaders who will implement those policies.
...60% of Israelis want to make big concessions to make peace, and
how many Arabs want Israel destroyed, while making no concessions?


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Re: Israel's Democracy Dilemma [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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me: "the jews aren't always the victims that they are
portrayed as in the us media"

you: "Well I care about Palestine more then anyone I know,
BUT there ARE Jewish victims!!!(DUH!)"

did I say that the Jewish aren't victims?

read the sentence a couple of times and think about
why your 'DUH' comment makes you look even more
ridiculous than your post history might have otherwise
indicated.

I really wish this forum allowed a touch of personal
attacks, I would really like to call you a nonsensical
buffoon sometimes.




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Re: Israel's Democracy Dilemma [Re: afoaf]
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You know what bothers me about that, you have no reason to.

Sorry if me saying DUH scared you emontionally it wasent meant to, anyay STICK to the issue, which is that you dont know the history or currrent state of Israel\Palestine.

If you did you would have said more


"And it's so easy to get news from Left-Wing slanted outlets who
spout biased garbage and frame everything into a conflict where
there are the "oppressors" and the "oppressed". And it never fails
that the "oppressed" get unconditional support and good press, no
matter how despicable their actions are."

and its so easy to assume all of this is just BIAS!

However would you say amnesty is BIAS??, what about the fact the MOST of the world (people) and MOST of the worlds governments are on the side of the palestians?????

There is a reason for this, and that is that ISRAEL is a terrorist state with one goal....
EXPANSION.
So say all you want about suicide bombers etc, these things happen for a reason.

Who has the Weapons????, who is occupied?, and where are the settlements placed PLEASE enlighten me and tell me!!!!!!!!


I am not against jews far from it, I love CHOMSKY for exampe and this website
www.jewsnotzionists.org

But unlike you I look at extremism in ALL its forms, not just the constant rotation of Islamic extremism the media in your country talk about.

The US and ISRAEL are alone in the world, most of the world gets this, just not americans it seems.



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