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Re: Walls do work! [Re: qman] * 3
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qman said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: JHOVA] * 1
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JHOVA said:
porn perpetuates the patriarchal system of injustice keeping wahmen down. join the feminist-muslim-EU-matriarchy comrade.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/porn-block-ban-in-the-uk-age-verifcation-law




I don't believe that.  Lot's of people project that onto porn.  I think it's art and some have more of a story to tell than others.

Pictures can talk.  Most of them are trying to make money and that's a foreign concept to most people.  Yes some porn is just gross and why it's psychological is a deep topic.

That is why we have privacy laws in America and most of the world.  It's hard to explain fetish's as much as phobias.

Something personal is that I think of woman as like men.  My last girlfriend I very much enjoyed how she was a tom boy.  It thought it was hot having a gay relationship with a woman and still do.  Now my younger sister is a bit of a tom boy.  I just like those types of girls.  They get out and don't mind a little dirt and hard work.

I feel work is a bit overwhelming and a rough experience.  But I do fall for the pretty girly girls as well.  It's just hard to make them tough and not afraid all the time.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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you say that with pride lol.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
qman said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.


The Constitutional Rights of US citizens have nothing to do with the policy of open borders, you're very confused here, so just stop now. 

One could use the rationalization of "freedom" for almost everything they want to do, that argument is beyond childish in nature.

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: JHOVA] * 1
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JHOVA said:
you say that with pride lol.


What do you want? I had a full time job, owned a car, had two degrees at the time. Sometimes life is a bitch. But your example of doors and windows is a pretty piss poor one, especially when you are describing philosophies and trying to compare them current policy.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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houses have doors and locks. Countries have walls and physical barriers to protect the precious cargo inside. Its an easy thing to conceive. Lol you have a lock on your phone. A password on your email. What are we even saying? That barriers DONT WORK or that barriers are immoral? Please clarify your position.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
christopera said:
qman said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.


The Constitutional Rights of US citizens have nothing to do with the policy of open borders, you're very confused here, so just stop now. 

One could use the rationalization of "freedom" for almost everything they want to do, that argument is beyond childish in nature.





The constitutional rights of citizens and the use of law is at the very core of the border policy. How could it be any other way? If that's not the case then why do we even have a State at all?

The point was simple. Freedom of speech and freedom of self go hand in hand. A wall restricts freedom of self. So it's bit of conflicting dichotomy to on one hand be staunchly pro speech while advocating a system that restricts freedom of self.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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The world isnt welcome to my private property or my work output. Read the fountainhead by ayn rand for more on this concept.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: JHOVA]
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Of course it isn't, wall or no wall, nothing changes there.

Unless you own your own business, then you probably don't own your work output. You exchange that for money.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
qman said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.


The Constitutional Rights of US citizens have nothing to do with the policy of open borders, you're very confused here, so just stop now. 

One could use the rationalization of "freedom" for almost everything they want to do, that argument is beyond childish in nature.





The constitutional rights of citizens and the use of law is at the very core of the border policy. How could it be any other way? If that's not the case then why do we even have a State at all?

The point was simple. Freedom of speech and freedom of self go hand in hand. A wall restricts freedom of self. So it's bit of conflicting dichotomy to on one hand be staunchly pro speech while advocating a system that restricts freedom of self.


No, a border wall has nothing to do with the Constitutional Rights of US citizens.

How is a border wall unconstitutional and a violation of US civil rights?  It's not.

Oh, the border wall impedes the freedom of movement of non-US citizens from illegally entering the US?  Is that you argument here?    Just stop with the nonsense. :facepalm:

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: qman]
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Where did I say a wall is unconstitutional? Where did I mention illegals entering?

You’re making arguments about things I wasn’t addressing. It’s called a “straw man” fallacy.

I’ve reiterated my point multiple times now, I think that’s enough.


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Edited by christopera (02/12/19 09:50 AM)

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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i think I'm going to /hide this topic again


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: Konyap] * 1
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christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


That makes no sense.  The wall is to keep people out, not in.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera] * 2
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christopera said:
I lived in a tent for nearly a year, slept on the streets and on park benches at times. What of it?


Because you lived in a tent we shouldn’t have a wall because freedom?

Logic, much?


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera] * 2
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lowbrow said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


That makes no sense.  The wall is to keep people out, not in.


That's not what I said.


lowbrow said:
christopera said:
I lived in a tent for nearly a year, slept on the streets and on park benches at times. What of it?


Because you lived in a tent we shouldn’t have a wall because freedom?

Logic, much?


And that's out of context, nor even remotely close to the point I was making.

You should read this quote.


christopera said:
You’re making arguments about things I wasn't addressing. It’s called a “straw man” fallacy.




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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
qman said:
christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.



You appear to lack the ability for abstract thought.  I’ve noticed that with lefties, lately.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: lowbrow] * 5
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damn lefties, theyre so dumb they play the guitar upside down

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: feevers]
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feevers said:
damn lefties, theyre so dumb they play the guitar upside down


That's hilarious! I'm not sure how I've never heard that before.


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Re: Walls do work! [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
christopera said:
I lived in a tent for nearly a year, slept on the streets and on park benches at times. What of it?


Because you lived in a tent we shouldn’t have a wall because freedom?

Logic, much?


Says the guy who thinks I was comparing tents to nation states.



Gee, Alanis, in this case I do see some irony. Thanks a lot!


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Edited by christopera (02/11/19 01:48 PM)

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Re: Walls do work! [Re: christopera]
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You specifically said that we should be anti-wall because of ‘freedom’.


christopera said:
And I'll add, if you guys are for freedom like many have been crowing about in the last couple of posts you should be anti-wall. It's a pretty hilarious dichotomy some of you pro-wallers seem to have struck.


Qman brought up the ability to differentiate between civil rights and a call for extreme border security.
qman said:
What does civil rights for US citizens have to do with foreigners illegally entering the US?  NOTHING. :facepalm:


You then claimed that he was being intellectually dishonest.  He called out your logical fallacy and you called him a liar. 

christopera said:
Everything. Your lack of vision in this regard is due to a lack of intellectual honesty and nothing more.


Calling somebody a liar when they made a good point is sophism at it’s finest.


christopera said:
The constitutional rights of citizens and the use of law is at the very core of the border policy.


The constitutional rights of citizens has no bearing on the policy of illegal alien control.

We are citizens, they are not.  They got to go.

christopera said:
How could it be any other way? If that's not the case then why do we even have a State at all?




Not if people like you can help it.
christopera said:
The point was simple. Freedom of speech and freedom of self go hand in hand.


They do. What that has to do with illegal immigration, I don’t know.
christopera said:
A wall restricts freedom of self.


Well, you generalized the shit out of that.  Some folks would call that a strawman. 

We’re not talking about Mexicans, we’re talking about American citizens.  Mexicans are not entitled to freedom of self to enter our country.  But Americans are entitled to having a system that is not over saturated with another culture taking their jobs and causing more crime.

christopera said:
So it's bit of conflicting dichotomy to on one hand be staunchly pro speech while advocating a system that restricts freedom of self.


You once again just generalized the shit out of that.

It’s not a conflicting dichotomy.  The wall is for illegal immigration prevention, freedom of speech and self is for the American citizens. 

This hippy dippy philosophy of overgenaralizing everything and crying ‘intellectual dishonesty’ when somebody sees through your bullshit is really annoying, and dishonest.

christopera said:
lowbrow said:
christopera said:
I lived in a tent for nearly a year, slept on the streets and on park benches at times. What of it?


Because you lived in a tent we shouldn’t have a wall because freedom?

Logic, much?


Says the guy who thinks I was comparing tents to nation states.



Gee, Alanis, in this case I do see some irony. Thanks a lot!


You did.  You wouldn’t of said it otherwise.  But backtracking and annoying intellectual dishonesty appear to be your MO.  Bring in the childish insults if you want.  That’s my playing field.

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