Bigbadwooof said:

Yes, they should be documented, and if there is a need to have them here in the United States, then we should make it possible for them to be here legally. When people are living here illegally, they are more likely to be subject to abuse.

You know, if I want to move to another country, there are a lot of hoops for me to jump through, and I wouldn't even qualify for a lot of countries. I have a whole book that outlines the laws about how to get visas, and citizenship in other countries, and it isn't easy, almost anywhere you go.

I think that America should have a pathway to citizenship, but I think we need to act in our best interest, and be selective, as does every other country in the world. I don't believe that the current situation is in our best interest, though. We should not have a system that can't function without laws being broken. We should adjust the laws.

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koods said:

Yeah it’s so they can get insurance so it’s a good thing

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qman said:

koods said:

Yeah it’s so they can get insurance so it’s a good thing

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No, it's not "a good thing" that an illegal immigrant is allowed to obtain a legal drivers license, it's a fucking disgrace.

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christopera said:

There should be a legal path for entry via a temporary status (h2a). Companies should have to sponsor employees as they are looking for the low wage employment, then those same companies should be at least partially on the hook for overstayed visas. I.e. a check-in check-out system. If you don't do both you will be deported and the company will be charged/fined. There's little to no accountability as is, not for the immigrant or those benefiting from the labor.

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Bigbadwooof said:

christopera said:

There should be a legal path for entry via a temporary status (h2a). Companies should have to sponsor employees as they are looking for the low wage employment, then those same companies should be at least partially on the hook for overstayed visas. I.e. a check-in check-out system. If you don't do both you will be deported and the company will be charged/fined. There's little to no accountability as is, not for the immigrant or those benefiting from the labor.

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That sounds like a perfect compromise. Immigration control, without marginalizing immigrants, that makes American employers accountable, rather than the government, and offers a pathway to citizenship.

If you want to control immigration, you have to do it through their employers, here in the US.

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qman said:

koods said:

Yeah it’s so they can get insurance so it’s a good thing

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No, it's not "a good thing" that an illegal immigrant is allowed to obtain a legal drivers license, it's a fucking disgrace.

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At least others gave reasons why they believe a license is good.  You don't even try to provide a reason you feel it is bad. 

qman said:

And when the immigrant gets sick without health insurance, who pays for the health care?

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The immigrant has to pay for it, but you've been told that many times already, so I don't know why you're wasting our time, other than to express your hatred of dark skinned people, which we already know about.

qman said:

And when the immigrant gets sick without health insurance, who pays for the health care?

Who pays for the immigrants child that is born here?  Their food, education, health care and other expenses?  Not the employer, it's the taxpayer.

The elite benefit from the cheap labor and then the average US citizen provides the first world standard of living off of their backs.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

And when the immigrant gets sick without health insurance, who pays for the health care?

Who pays for the immigrants child that is born here?  Their food, education, health care and other expenses?  Not the employer, it's the taxpayer.

The elite benefit from the cheap labor and then the average US citizen provides the first world standard of living off of their backs.

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If we had reasonable marginal tax rates and universal healthcare, then the elite who are benefiting from their labor would also be paying their healthcare bills.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

koods said:

Yeah it’s so they can get insurance so it’s a good thing

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No, it's not "a good thing" that an illegal immigrant is allowed to obtain a legal drivers license, it's a fucking disgrace.

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At least others gave reasons why they believe a license is good.  You don't even try to provide a reason you feel it is bad. 

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qman said:

Fal thinks since the broke immigrant receives a hospital bill, they're going to pay it and it doesn't raise the price of health care for the people that do pay for it. Talk about make believe land.

Also, do you really think a universal health care system needs to be burdened with millions of illegal immigrants?  It's a good way for the care to suffer and for the system to go broke.

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

And when the immigrant gets sick without health insurance, who pays for the health care?

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The immigrant has to pay for it, but you've been told that many times already

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Fal thinks since the broke immigrant receives a hospital bill, they're going to pay it and it doesn't raise the price of health care for the people that do pay for it. Talk about make believe land.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

And when the immigrant gets sick without health insurance, who pays for the health care?

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The immigrant has to pay for it, but you've been told that many times already

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Fal thinks since the broke immigrant receives a hospital bill, they're going to pay it and it doesn't raise the price of health care for the people that do pay for it. Talk about make believe land.

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No, I think immigrants won't get seen if they can't pay, unless they have an emergency.  Getting sick doesn't count as an emergency.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

No, I think immigrants won't get seen if they can't pay, unless they have an emergency.  Getting sick doesn't count as an emergency.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

That's a great point.

And I talked about my own foreign healthcare experience here (another 'rabbit hole' if you haven't seen that one yet). 


Edit:  Even though you didn't post in that thread, I guess you saw it since you 'up voted' it.  One of my most up voted posts ever. 

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Bigbadwooof said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

No, I think immigrants won't get seen if they can't pay, unless they have an emergency.  Getting sick doesn't count as an emergency.

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Either way, it will be cheaper once we have a government that negotiates for more reasonable healthcare costs, which we will have in the near future.

I think this is kind of a silly point though, because we already have immigrants going to the ER when they severely injure themselves. We're already paying for this, and it hasn't collapsed our economy.

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qman said:

too bad so many natives support their policy to enrich themselves at their own expense.

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qman said:

I agree, using and abusing the ER is a very poor policy.

Employers of immigrants get off the hook with this whole thing, it always lands on Joe Six-Pack.

The government already knows where they work, yet nothing is done about it.  The elite run the show on immigration, too bad so many natives support their policy to enrich themselves at their own expense.

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