christopera said:

Those "experts" are border agents who work part of the border and have at least a high school diploma and as border agents have loads of stories about catching people.

There is a long list of successful walls though. The Great Wall for example is a particularly effective tourist destination. It failed as a wall though. Then there is the walls of The Alamo, which protected PeeWee's bike rather well. I could go on...

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qman said:

So why did the D's also support further wall and border enforcement?    It's about what's politically convenient at the moment, right?

There's nothing like cherry picking the issues contingent upon the environment.

I think you really need to get over this "conservative" vs "liberal" mentality, there's hypocrisy on every issue.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

So why did the D's also support further wall and border enforcement?    It's about what's politically convenient at the moment, right?

There's nothing like cherry picking the issues contingent upon the environment.

I think you really need to get over this "conservative" vs "liberal" mentality, there's hypocrisy on every issue.

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"Conservative" vs "Liberal" mentality? We're talking about Donald Trump's stupid ass boarder wall. Who are all of these Democrats who want a stupid ass boarderwall? That's a stupid ass conservative idea.

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koods said:

That’s great. Donald trump’s wall is to be paid for by Mexico. There’s no reason to even debate this. That’s what he said.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

So why did the D's also support further wall and border enforcement?    It's about what's politically convenient at the moment, right?

There's nothing like cherry picking the issues contingent upon the environment.

I think you really need to get over this "conservative" vs "liberal" mentality, there's hypocrisy on every issue.

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"Conservative" vs "Liberal" mentality? We're talking about Donald Trump's stupid ass boarder wall. Who are all of these Democrats who want a stupid ass boarderwall? That's a stupid ass conservative idea.

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It wasn't that long ago.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/h446

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koods said:

You can have it when Mexico pays as promised

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qman said:

If the experts think a wall could work, that's fine. If they think there's a better way to enforce the border, that's also fine in my opinion.

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qman said:

Are those the "experts"?  Or just the one's you listen too?

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

So why did the D's also support further wall and border enforcement?    It's about what's politically convenient at the moment, right?

There's nothing like cherry picking the issues contingent upon the environment.

I think you really need to get over this "conservative" vs "liberal" mentality, there's hypocrisy on every issue.

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"Conservative" vs "Liberal" mentality? We're talking about Donald Trump's stupid ass boarder wall. Who are all of these Democrats who want a stupid ass boarderwall? That's a stupid ass conservative idea.

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It wasn't that long ago.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/h446

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That's a fence, not a wall, and it was proposed during the Bush administration, by stupid ass Republicans.

Where are all of these other examples?

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qman said:

And who voted for it?  You can't have it both ways. 

It was money allocated to enforce the border, fence or wall, do you really want to turn this into semantics? 

For the record, Republicans always wanted an open border but talked the political game as well.  There's no integrity with the McCain's of the world.

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Konyap said:

we give mexico 5 billion
we give brazil 5 billion
we give money to these banana republics the CIA overthrew to make the people literal slaves
we have plenty of money for a wall
jus no one wants it, too much free labour coming in and the dem's see it as a barrier to new voters

the dems in cali are giving illegals drivers licences now
if that makes them get insurance maybe that's a good thing
most of them seem to drive without insurance and when they get in a crash the cops cant do anything

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MagicMush123 said:

Then deport the ones not working in agriculture. If they're needed they should be documented and monitored.  Undocumented illegals are a bad thing. And bullshit like sanctuary cities or giving them drivers licenses, is irresponsible and setting a bad precedent

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Bigbadwooof said:

MagicMush123 said:

Then deport the ones not working in agriculture. If they're needed they should be documented and monitored.  Undocumented illegals are a bad thing. And bullshit like sanctuary cities or giving them drivers licenses, is irresponsible and setting a bad precedent

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Yes, they should be documented, and if there is a need to have them here in the United States, then we should make it possible for them to be here legally. When people are living here illegally, they are more likely to be subject to abuse.

You know, if I want to move to another country, there are a lot of hoops for me to jump through, and I wouldn't even qualify for a lot of countries. I have a whole book that outlines the laws about how to get visas, and citizenship in other countries, and it isn't easy, almost anywhere you go.

I think that America should have a pathway to citizenship, but I think we need to act in our best interest, and be selective, as does every other country in the world. I don't believe that the current situation is in our best interest, though. We should not have a system that can't function without laws being broken. We should adjust the laws.

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