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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5488001 - 04/06/06 09:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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bukkake said:
You must understand xenophobia and bigotry are vogue in America.





You could have fooled me. Wherever I turn I see politically correct messages telling me to love everybody no matter what their color or lifestyle.

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bukkake said:
But of course, in rampant capitalist societies such as America, worker exploitation and owner lawlessness in the workplace are glorious.




The U.S. federal government enforces a minimum wage, regulates interest rates, enforces environmental laws, enforces worker safety laws, and engages in significant taxation and income redistribution. Therefore, the U.S. cannot seriously be called "rampantly capitalist".

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5488046 - 04/06/06 09:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Wherever I turn I see politically correct messages telling me to love everybody no matter what their color or lifestyle.



Where?

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The U.S. federal government enforces a minimum wage, regulates interest rates, enforces environmental laws, enforces worker safety laws, and engages in significant taxation and income redistribution. Therefore, the U.S. cannot seriously be called "rampantly capitalist".



And yet, despite all this, many live below the poverty line, millions live without adequate healthcare, and the working poor who must choose between food and utilities, shelter and healthcare, is very omnipresent and real in America.

Worker rights have improved while the income gap has widened astronomically. Still sounds like rampant capitalism.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5488052 - 04/06/06 09:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You say "rampant capitalism" as if it is a bad thing. I think our level of capitalism could afford to be a bit more rampant.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: Redstorm]
    #5488070 - 04/06/06 09:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It could afford a bit more rampant if you would like to accelerate the upcoming class war.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5488089 - 04/06/06 09:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:blah:

That class war sure has been a long time coming.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: Redstorm]
    #5488132 - 04/06/06 10:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The social chaos caused by Katrina and the gradual absolution of the middle class in America is all fantasy, eh? You can always live in the fantasy of it is always those "god damned blacks" and "lower class Americans" being laid off and suffering from the effects of social inequality for as long as you like.

The currency obsessive dystopia will not last for all of eternity in America.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5488507 - 04/07/06 12:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

bukkake Stated:

And yet, despite all this, many live below the poverty line, millions live without adequate healthcare, and the working poor who must choose between food and utilities, shelter and healthcare, is very omnipresent and real in America


My God!!!
America has all of this!!! You mean we dont live in a fair world? Maybe we should adopt the socialistic view points of Europe, then all of our problem will trickle away.......


Bukkake stated:The social chaos caused by Katrina and the gradual absolution of the middle class in America is all fantasy, eh? You can always live in the fantasy of it is always those "god damned blacks" and "lower class Americans" being laid off and suffering from the effects of social inequality for as long as you like.



You see when people get backed into a corner, it never fails : the race card!!!!

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200512%5CNAT20051214b.html

CNSNews.com) - Statistics released by the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals suggest that fewer than half of the victims of Hurricane Katrina were black, and that whites died at the highest rate of all races in New Orleans.

Liberals in the aftermath of the storm were quick to allege that the Bush administration delayed its response to the catastrophe because most of the victims were black.

Damu Smith, founder of the National Black Environmental Justice Network, in September said that the federal government "ignored us, they forgot about us ... because we look like we look."

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in October said that the Federal Emergency Management Agency wasn't fit to help the storm's victims because "there are not enough blacks high up in FEMA" and added that, "certainly the Red Cross is the same."

Rapper Kanye West used his time on NBC's telethon for the hurricane victims to charge that, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

But the state's demographic information suggests that whites in New Orleans died at a higher rate than minorities. According to the 2000 census, whites make up 28 percent of the city's population, but the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals indicates that whites constitute 36.6 percent of the storm's fatalities in the city.

African-Americans make up 67.25 percent of the population and 59.1 percent of the deceased. Other minorities constitute approximately 5 percent of the population and represented 4.3 percent of the storm's fatalities.

Overall for the state, 658 bodies have been identified. Forty-seven percent were African-American and 42 percent were Caucasian. The remaining bodies were either non-black minorities or undetermined.

An additional 247 victims have not been identified, so their demographic information has not been released.

The data showed that the majority of Katrina's victims lived in the Orleans parish. The nearby St. Bernard and Jefferson parishes had 91 and 25 victims, respectively.

The storm also did not discriminate based on gender. Fifty percent of the victims were male and 49 percent were female, with 1 percent being undetermined.



The race card used to be a trump of trumps, but now its like throwing snake eyes.......The fact remains that the pulsating stain of slavery and discrimination was apart of our history. The USA has made leaps and bounds compared to to other nations in this regard. For some strange reason people think racism is only prevalent in the Unites States. Im sure France doesn't have racism or Sudan........ or the genocide in Rwanda. These type of attacks are BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5488557 - 04/07/06 12:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Im sorry, I got my 20% figure wrong.....



http://www.house.gov/gutknecht/issueitems_06/immigration/2006_immigration_lo.pdf


and another.....


http://www.theamericanresistance.com/articles/art2004jan04.html

. Illegal aliens are NOT necessarily coming here to work. Lou Dobbs recently reported that 33 percent of our prison population is now comprised of non-citizens. Plus, 36 to 42 percent of illegal aliens are on welfare. So, for a good proportion of these people, the American dream is crime and welfare, not coming here to work.


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5489054 - 04/07/06 06:24 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

We argued earlier that a 10 percent rise in immigration lowers native wages by up to 1 percent, or possibly $44 billion per year. However, these wage reductions don't just disappear. To the extent that immigrants provide low-cost labor, either more income accrues to the employers, or cost reductions are passed on to the consumer. Therefore, the host economy benefits by an equal amount that native workers lose from the cheap labor of the immigrants. In other words, the $44 billion is simply redistributed to other people in the economy, and the net effect washes out. But the gains from the low wages go beyond the $44 billion from lower wages. The goods produced by immigrant workers also generate additional profits for employers because they are able to sell more of their products at the lower price. Borjas estimates this gain to be $7 billion per year."

My bad...7 Billion


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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5489332 - 04/07/06 09:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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These immigrants just got screwed a bit by being born into Mexico. Now these people are trying to live a decent life or just get by and we are shutting them out




Thats the way borders work my man. There are billions of people in the world who are not Americans. If we let every person in the world seeking a better life to become American then the whole world would be pretty much American. If living conditions are not very good in a certain part of the world, instead of fleeing, people should stay and fight to make things better.

I used to work directly with illegal immigrants and they dont wish to conform to our society. Almost everyday I would get asked why I dont speak spanish. I got called all kinds of racist names and was laughed at for being white.

Nobody has a right to come here illegally.


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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: 1stimer]
    #5490056 - 04/07/06 01:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't agreed with you much in the past, but I do this time.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5490222 - 04/07/06 02:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe we should adopt the socialistic view points of Europe, then all of our problem will trickle away.......



We can't have that. It sounds too compassionate. What would happen to Pfizer and Blue Cross-Blue Shield if the United States legislated universal health care? It would be awful.

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These type of attacks are BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



"Class war," "Katrina," "Absolution of middle-class America," "Social chaos." Your excitement is misplaced. My post had nothing to do with racism, but classism.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5490286 - 04/07/06 02:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Randalflagg said:
Wherever I turn I see politically correct messages telling me to love everybody no matter what their color or lifestyle.




Where?




Movies. Television shows. Newspapers. Nowhere in modern mainstream media do I see blatantly racist opinions being spewed.

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The U.S. federal government enforces a minimum wage, regulates interest rates, enforces environmental laws, enforces worker safety laws, and engages in significant taxation and income redistribution. Therefore, the U.S. cannot seriously be called "rampantly capitalist".




And yet, despite all this, many live below the poverty line, millions live without adequate healthcare, and the working poor who must choose between food and utilities, shelter and healthcare, is very omnipresent and real in America.




"Poverty" is relative. The poor in America live like kings in comparison to most of the rest of the world. They also live like kings in comparison to the rich of a hundred years ago.

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Worker rights have improved while the income gap has widened astronomically. Still sounds like rampant capitalism.




It is capitalism, but it is not rampant. It is heavily controlled by the government and heavily altered by socialism.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: bukkake]
    #5490296 - 04/07/06 02:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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bukkake said:
The social chaos caused by Katrina and the gradual absolution of the middle class in America is all fantasy, eh? You can always live in the fantasy of it is always those "god damned blacks" and "lower class Americans" being laid off and suffering from the effects of social inequality for as long as you like.




Please spare us the class-warfare crap. Nowhere are any of the posters in this thread railing against black people or "lower class" people. I have noticed that extreme Lefties like to invent oppression and oppressors when they debate with people as it satisfies some strange psychosis that they have.

Also, the "lower-classes" aren't always the ones getting laid off. Have you been following GM's troubles lately? They are laying off upper middle-class engineers and managers left and right.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5490305 - 04/07/06 02:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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They also live like kings in comparison to the rich of a hundred years ago.



I don't know about you, but I'd take Andrew Carnegie's life over that of a welfare mother any day.


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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5490309 - 04/07/06 02:52 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Liberals in the aftermath of the storm were quick to allege that the Bush administration delayed its response to the catastrophe because most of the victims were black.

Damu Smith, founder of the National Black Environmental Justice Network, in September said that the federal government "ignored us, they forgot about us ... because we look like we look."

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in October said that the Federal Emergency Management Agency wasn't fit to help the storm's victims because "there are not enough blacks high up in FEMA" and added that, "certainly the Red Cross is the same."




These people are nothing but race-baiting demagogues who have perfected their shrill blather of victimization.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #5490318 - 04/07/06 02:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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They also live like kings in comparison to the rich of a hundred years ago.



Sorry, but I'd take Andrew Carnegie's life over that of a welfare mother any day.




The welfare mother of today has electricity, access to motor vehicle transportation, enough food to survive, heat that requires only the flick of a hand, and television. Sounds pretty good compared to some huge cold mansion with no electricity.

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5490326 - 04/07/06 02:55 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Modern technology can't make up for the life of splendor that the tycoons of the 19th century lived. Fuck, I'd still rather be a Roman aristocrat than a poor person today.

BTW, they most certainly had heating systems in the 19th century.


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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: Silversoul]
    #5490338 - 04/07/06 02:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Modern technology can't make up for the life of splendor that the tycoons of the 19th century lived. Fuck, I'd still rather be a Roman aristocrat than a poor person today.




You would forsake modern conveniences like electricity, heat (gas.....which requires no effort to turn on), vehicular transportation, free internet at the library, advanced medical care (often paid for by the government if you are poor), etc.. to live in a stone building with no running water and ancient technology? Not me....

I repeat my assertions that a poor person in modern America who receives welfare has it better than many rich peoples of past times. I would rather live in a crappy modern apartment than some old ancient palace that had no running water or TV.

Edited by RandalFlagg (04/07/06 03:00 PM)

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Re: Immigration Vote [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5490357 - 04/07/06 03:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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"Poverty" is relative. The poor in America live like kings in comparison to most of the rest of the world. They also live like kings in comparison to the rich of a hundred years ago.



Horrible argument. Worker rights have improved at the expense of monetary benefits. If the poor in America live like kings in comparison to most of the world, what do the wealthy live like? Are you also suggesting poverty and hunger do not exist in America?

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Please spare us the class-warfare crap. Nowhere are any of the posters in this thread railing against black people or "lower class" people. I have noticed that extreme Lefties like to invent oppression and oppressors when they debate with people as it satisfies some strange psychosis that they have



You would not be as mystified if you read what I was replying to and the context I was using it in. I would imagine the psychosis I am being blinded by includes the factual statistics showing while the wealthy have gotten wealthier, the poor have gotten poorer.

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Also, the "lower-classes" aren't always the ones getting laid off. Have you been following GM's troubles lately? They are laying off upper middle-class engineers and managers left and right.



Yes, and that would further support my argument the rampant capitalism is destroying the middle class in America. I believe I said that three times. I have noticed the right-wingers on this board pick and choose what they would like to read and begin to attack.

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