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Vondelpark is the most obvious green area in Amsterdam that comes to mind

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I’m wondering if doing lemon tek for high Hawaiian pack will lead to a heroic dose? Or taking both packs at the same time? Is that too much?

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Not sure about lemon tek, it might make the comeup a little too brutal in an outdoor setting. One pack of High Hawaiians should be a fairly solid dose - with some previous experience and a sensible setting in the park it sounds a reasonable plan; personally I wouldn't want to be taking more than that outdoors in public, especially if you don't have a sitter to watch you. It can take a while for the effects to ramp up but it's decent stuff (even if it's not particularly pleasant to eat).

The problem with tripping on more than one pack of that particular stuff is that the trips can very quickly intensify into a very heavily delusional, insane experience which can be very dark, unsettling and downright frightening. And once you get past "the fear" and the feeling of the world ending, you can be left in a very manic state where you feel like telling anyone and everything about the secrets of the universe you have uncovered, that you are God and so on.

I've done that kind of trip many times alone in a hotel room with a trip journal for company, but doing it outside is asking for trouble.

Personally I find it easiest to just eat the stuff as it comes, chew it up thoroughly, then eat a single piece of dark chocolate to mask the taste. Can take up to an hour to really kick in but the anticipation is part of the fun. Make sure you have some water, maybe a few light snacks if you get hungry later, a minimum of valuables to worry about but maybe some music... obvious stuff really.

Regarding dosage, to be honest it's hard to judge the dose with truffles / sclerotia, and people seem to report widely varying experiences on it. Taken indoors, a single pack of the high hawaiians comes on strong but sometimes leaves me wanting a little more, but I think doing it outdoors would ramp up the intensity so I wouldn't recommend more than that. Taking two packs can be absolutely brutal, like starting world war three, destroying the universe and starting over. I simply can't imagine being outdoors when that hits.

Have fun and take care... in the Vondelpark if you are really lucky you might see the guy in the army jacket driving a trike with a dog in a basket and techno blasting out of the speakers mounted on it.....

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So I laid in my bed, started playing around with playlists. This was around 645 or so. Around 715, I started feeling the first effects. It was warm, fuzzy, my heart was beating fast, I was feeling a bit anxious. I started playing the music. The next few hours were magical

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Glad you had a good trip

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I think this trip was probably around a 3-4. Definitely not a heroic dose, I think. Next time I want to try in nature, two packs.

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From Aldebaran's Trip Journal:

+53 mins after initial dose:

This is surprisingly fucking strong

+1 hour 50 mins

You wouldn't believe this. I feel weird. I feel like I've been here before.

This feels extravagent and dangerous and wrong.

The quest is to....... SURVIVE - or not.

+2 hours

Accursed. Beset. Invisible. Asleep

Waves of nausea and anxiety assault me from all directions and I do not care.

This overtakes you and continues...

Awake or Asleep. Alive or dead. We continue into the zoo. Close your eyes.

+ 2 hours 9 min

To the persistent dread we add this. And continue.

+ 2 hours 15 min

There is only so much panic you can deal with. And then this. We continue through the zoo, which is where you have brought us again. We continue. Upside down. Backwards. Reversing off the fire hydrants. Backing up from the snakes and getting away from the dangerous reptiles that have brought us to this situation.

+ 2 hours 30 min

Writing my way out of the zoo. Waking up on islands of poisonous snakes. Climbing the walls

+ 2 hours 50 min

Bewitched. Accursed. Poisoned

What have you sold me you total bastards? I can't handle this.

+ 3 hours

I need to sleep. I need to wake up. Hello - Stop eating me please

+ 4 hours 30 min

The scope and extent of the madness is frightening. The walls and floor glisten with malign intelligence.

This is hell. There is no other word for it.

+ 4 hours 39 min

Unless you have been here you do not know the meaning of the word 'intense' he wrote. Is he alive or dead? Why do we care? Is he joking?

Meanwhile, in the zoo, the experiments continue, and things get awkward. I keep waking up again and again like a conveyor belt of assembling consciousness out of a labyrinth of hell. Subterranean murder and nightmare.

Snakes. Awake. Asleep. Bitten.

Psychedelics. Paranoid delusions.

Endless hours of punishing insanity and they call it Thursday.

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I did try to deal with that trip with a sense of humour, but what I remember about it most is either sitting with my head in my hands engulfed by endless waves of dread, or drifting off into a nightmarish dreamlike state of sleep filled with creatures endlessly eating each other (the zoo).

That was one of the few unpleasantly strong trips I've had which didn't at some point flip into a more positive, transcendent experience - it was just wave after wave of 'punishing insanity' that kept coming for hours, like being stuck at the most relentless, intense, uncomfortable point of the come-up without breaking through into a proper peak.....

It was a "Jurassic Park" kind of trip, where it all goes horribly wrong and the drugs eat you instead of the other way around....



I can't emphasize enough how much of a difference it makes to the trip when you double the dose!

For a "heroic" trip without complete overkill I would suggest trying 30-something grams of sclerotia before you try 40+. Maybe a 22g box of the Hawaiians plus 15g of something slightly milder such as the Dragon's Dynamite? I think it would help push the trip further to the point where you really get fully immersed in something weird.



In my experience a "heroic" trip is an all-consuming, sometimes terrifying descent into oblivion, where you gradually go insane, die within the trip and 'become God' (or something equally bizarre involving aliens or whatever) and then bask in the radiant glory of your monumental discoveries within the ultimate reality. It feels heroic partly because it feels like you are saving the universe from some kind of apocalypse that your trip has unleashed, and partly because it feels like a monumental effort to navigate the trip and come out the other side.

I'm not sure how an "outside, in nature" scenario fits into that - I'd want somewhere very private where I can lie down and go insane for several hours without being bothered - maybe in a tent if not an actual bed indoors, otherwise I wouldn't even think of doing that kind of trip outside.

Anyway I don't mean to lecture you - with your previous experience of psychedelics I think you'll be fine trying a "heroic dose" of truffles, I just think it's important to be in the right setting for an apocalyptic trip, and I think 44g of High Hawaiians is probably overkill for a meaningful trip - at least it is for me, and my idea of a high dose is a 'dying and becoming God' type of trip. Having said that, I do trip on 44g of the Hawaiians quite often, but only when I have significant tolerance from a trip in the previous couple of days...

Just remember that these "heroic" trips often start with the sinking feeling that something has gone very wrong, the intensity has become very uncomfortable, you've crossed some threshold and you are becoming aware of another reality within your trip that feels hostile and threatening...



If that happens just be reassured you are on the right track, what you want to do is allow yourself to be swallowed up by the trip, ride the waves of energy coming from it, don't fight it, just allow yourself to surrender to the trip and come out the other side. It takes a leap of faith to believe there is something beyond the event horizon; it can feel like a black hole of no escape looming towards you as the trip unravels your consciousness, but it's more like a door that you just need to step through into peace and bliss

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red rockets are truffles? how strong were they?

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I can’t help you there man. When I went in 2005 smart shops sold mushroom packages. The Hawaiians were the strongest and the red rockets were middle of the road . The guy at the shop should help you out. Find something ,idle of the road and jump on your bike