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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
What's good for Main Street sometimes isn't good for Wall Street, why are you siding with the Fat Cats instead of Joe Six-Pack? 

I thought "liberals" wanted to stick it to Wall Street one day? Oh let me guess, it's not cool if Trump is doing it.  :rofl2:


It’s not good for joe six pack. The problem is joe six pack is an ignorant moron and voted for someone who doesn’t understand economics. The rest of the world learned that tarrifs do not benefit anyone decades ago.

You thought liberals want to stick it to Wall Street? Again, you are wrong. Liberals just want wall street to be held responsible when they commit crimes. If you’re Mexican and you commit a misdemeanor you lose your kids. If you’re a banker you get a bailout after committing a billion dollar fraud.


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods] * 2
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(shhhh) don't say Obama and the bailouts.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods] * 2
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Remember when liberals had a supermajority after the 2008 election and they held Wall St accountable for their crimes surrounding the recession?


Oh wait.




Liberals dont want to hold corporations accountable either, theyre just better at pretending they do than conservatives.


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: musiclover420]
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musiclover420 said:
qman said:
musiclover420 said:
Stonehenge said:
Oh golly did the stock market dip a little bit? It has never done that before has it? lol Trump did the right thing hitting china and china will end up giving ground watch and see.


Yeah 150k lost jobs is just a "dip", want to tell all those out of work people yourself? "don't worry guys it's just a dip, trade wars are totally easy to win , MAGA!"



You do realize economic tariffs create dislocations that cost some US jobs, while creating more elsewhere? 



Alright please show us these new jobs then?... By elsewhere do you mean other countries? Because that is what happened, plants got shut down here and moved overseas thanks to the trade war.

Quote:
And that economic tariffs hurt companies that try to sell things into the US, which ultimately leads them to producing the goods here?


Alright then show us these companies that trump "lead to producing goods here" with his tariffs...

:waitingpatiently:

Quote:
Let me guess, you really don't understand how this whole game works and just lick up BS from the corporate media.


At least I am not blindly making assumptions that my dear leader will somehow pull through in the end, despite turning everything he touches into a bigger mess :shrug:


Nations don't implement tariffs to hurt domestic jobs and cause higher prices for products, do you understand why they might do it? 

Why does China have much higher tariffs than the US?  To protect their industries and to provide employment.

The tariffs haven't even started and now you want to see jobs coming back to the US, please tell me you're joking. Do you know how long it took for the US to lose millions of jobs to third world nations?  Decades!!

You clearly don't understand the theory behind economic tariffs, global trade, the US trade deficit and what's taking place today.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
qman said:
What's good for Main Street sometimes isn't good for Wall Street, why are you siding with the Fat Cats instead of Joe Six-Pack? 

I thought "liberals" wanted to stick it to Wall Street one day? Oh let me guess, it's not cool if Trump is doing it.  :rofl2:


It’s not good for joe six pack. The problem is joe six pack is an ignorant moron and voted for someone who doesn’t understand economics. The rest of the world learned that tarrifs do not benefit anyone decades ago.

You thought liberals want to stick it to Wall Street? Again, you are wrong. Liberals just want wall street to be held responsible when they commit crimes. If you’re Mexican and you commit a misdemeanor you lose your kids. If you’re a banker you get a bailout after committing a billion dollar fraud.


"If you're rich they let you do it"... Different context originally but still appropriate.

How about cops caught committing crimes only to get slaps on the wrist?

Funny how while we let cops/politicians/companies get away with all sorts of crap people like Qman defend a ridiculous border policy that holds refugees to higher standards...

It's like complaining a piece of fruit is a bit dusty meanwhile it is rotting to the core and saying "we need to build a wall to keep off dust!"

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SirTripAlot said:
(shhhh) don't say Obama and the bailouts.




You mean the ones started by Bush?

Just a third of Americans know that the bank bailout was enacted by the Bush administration; nearly half incorrectly say it was passed under President Obama.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-americans-think-obama-not-bush-enacted-bank-bailouts-poll-shows/

Looks like Republicans blaming democrats has worked well for awhile huh :wellidunno:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


Edited by musiclover420 (06/19/18 08:40 PM)

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: SirTripAlot] * 2
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SirTripAlot said:
(shhhh) don't say Obama and the bailouts.


It was the Bush administration, not Obama’s, that bailed out the banks.

How are people so ignorant of recent history?


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said:
qman said:
musiclover420 said:
Stonehenge said:
Oh golly did the stock market dip a little bit? It has never done that before has it? lol Trump did the right thing hitting china and china will end up giving ground watch and see.


Yeah 150k lost jobs is just a "dip", want to tell all those out of work people yourself? "don't worry guys it's just a dip, trade wars are totally easy to win , MAGA!"



You do realize economic tariffs create dislocations that cost some US jobs, while creating more elsewhere? 

And that economic tariffs hurt companies that try to sell things into the US, which ultimately leads them to producing the goods here?  Let me guess, you really don't understand how this whole game works and just lick up BS from the corporate media.


Gonna double post cause I'm on a phone. Are 12k steel jobs more important than 146k steel consuming jobs?

Same shit as coal. You're costing tens of millions to save thousands, who were left behind by the free market. Quit subsidizing, you commie. Let capitalism fluorish.


You think true capitalism enables massive trade deficits in the US for decades?  There isn't any "free market" when it comes to global trade agreements. 

Your theories on capitalism and free markets are mistaken, the elite don't play games of chance.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
What's good for Main Street sometimes isn't good for Wall Street, why are you siding with the Fat Cats instead of Joe Six-Pack? 

I thought "liberals" wanted to stick it to Wall Street one day? Oh let me guess, it's not cool if Trump is doing it.  :rofl2:


Is higher priced goods helping main street?


Lol this is what i love about capitalists, they think big business will just throw up their hands and say "welp! guess we'll take that loss, you sure got us Donald," when in reality the costs will just be passed on to the consumer.


So you take issue with Bernie and his position on US trade agreements and the massive trade deficit?


Implying that launching a hostile trade war, even with allies, is the only course of action to fix our economy.


The only thing that's hostile is the US trade deficit, now please answer the question.

"fix our economy"

The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Remember when liberals had a supermajority after the 2008 election and they held Wall St accountable for their crimes surrounding the recession?


Oh wait.




Liberals dont want to hold corporations accountable either, theyre just better at pretending they do than conservatives.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods] * 2
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Quote:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


If you support tarrifs you don’t give a shit about the working class. We have known for decades the kinds of policies trump is enacting do not achieve his goals. He’s an idiot and you’re falling for his 5th grade understanding of how the world works.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
What's good for Main Street sometimes isn't good for Wall Street, why are you siding with the Fat Cats instead of Joe Six-Pack? 

I thought "liberals" wanted to stick it to Wall Street one day? Oh let me guess, it's not cool if Trump is doing it.  :rofl2:


It’s not good for joe six pack. The problem is joe six pack is an ignorant moron and voted for someone who doesn’t understand economics. The rest of the world learned that tarrifs do not benefit anyone decades ago.

You thought liberals want to stick it to Wall Street? Again, you are wrong. Liberals just want wall street to be held responsible when they commit crimes. If you’re Mexican and you commit a misdemeanor you lose your kids. If you’re a banker you get a bailout after committing a billion dollar fraud.


The rest of world has benefited at the expense of the US working class, what did Obama do for them? Not a dam thing.

If the rest of the world thinks tariffs are so bad, why do they use them while the US doesn't?  I don't think you even understand what's going on.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
The Ecstatic said:
Remember when liberals had a supermajority after the 2008 election and they held Wall St accountable for their crimes surrounding the recession?


Oh wait.




Liberals dont want to hold corporations accountable either, theyre just better at pretending they do than conservatives.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act


Oh yeah, the wet paper legislation that theyve already deregulated themselves out of.

Lol.


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: The Ecstatic]
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qman said:
koods said:
qman said:
What's good for Main Street sometimes isn't good for Wall Street, why are you siding with the Fat Cats instead of Joe Six-Pack? 

I thought "liberals" wanted to stick it to Wall Street one day? Oh let me guess, it's not cool if Trump is doing it.  :rofl2:


It’s not good for joe six pack. The problem is joe six pack is an ignorant moron and voted for someone who doesn’t understand economics. The rest of the world learned that tarrifs do not benefit anyone decades ago.

You thought liberals want to stick it to Wall Street? Again, you are wrong. Liberals just want wall street to be held responsible when they commit crimes. If you’re Mexican and you commit a misdemeanor you lose your kids. If you’re a banker you get a bailout after committing a billion dollar fraud.


The rest of world has benefited at the expense of the US working class, what did Obama do for them? Not a dam thing.

If the rest of the world thinks tariffs are so bad, why do they use them while the US doesn't?  I don't think you even understand what's going on.


Great so now trump and his cronies can benefit at the expense of the working class instead! Great work, MAGA :rolleyes:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


Lmao how can you say the US economy is fine?


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Quote:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


If you support tarrifs you don’t give a shit about the working class. We have known for decades the kinds of policies trump is enacting do not achieve his goals. He’s an idiot and you’re falling for his 5th grade understanding of how the world works.


Don't worry, all of this talk about economic tariffs is just theater.

It would cost the people in power incredible amounts of money, not gonna happen.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


Lmao how can you say the US economy is fine?


On a relative basis, it's true. The stock, bond and real estate markets are near all-time highs, and the US dollar is once again the best shirt in a dirty laundry bag.

Obviously, the US worker has no wage growth and mountains of debt. The people in power have what they want, low growth, low inflation, low commodity prices and no wage pressure.

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: qman]
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qman said:
koods said:
Quote:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


If you support tarrifs you don’t give a shit about the working class. We have known for decades the kinds of policies trump is enacting do not achieve his goals. He’s an idiot and you’re falling for his 5th grade understanding of how the world works.


Don't worry, all of this talk about economic tariffs is just theater.

It would cost the people in power incredible amounts of money, not gonna happen.


Sure, just like all the times the white house has assured the public "trump is just kidding" only for it to turn out he was totally serious....

qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
The US economy is fine, my main concern is the working class.


Lmao how can you say the US economy is fine?


On a relative basis, it's true. The stock, bond and real estate markets are near all-time highs, and the US dollar is once again the best shirt in a dirty laundry bag.

Obviously, the US worker has no wage growth and mountains of debt. The people in power have what they want, low growth, low inflation, low commodity prices and no wage pressure.


Yes it started doing better, under obama after he fixed some of Bush's mess. Trump is already steering us back down again if things continue this way... But at least the next recession will hit in time to blame a democrat just like last time :facepalm3:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: koods]
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koods said:
SirTripAlot said:
(shhhh) don't say Obama and the bailouts.


It was the Bush administration, not Obama’s, that bailed out the banks.

How are people so ignorant of recent history?


Or how can one be ignorant of the implementation of the bailouts? Your saying Obama couldn't stop prior presidents actions. Want me to show you where he said 'it was "necessary"

The majority of money and time was under Obama s watch, but you know that.

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/01/obama-gets-first-major-win-with-tarp-017504


--------------------
“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (06/19/18 09:27 PM)

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: qman]
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Stonehenge said:
Oh golly did the stock market dip a little bit? It has never done that before has it? lol Trump did the right thing hitting china and china will end up giving ground watch and see.


Yeah 150k lost jobs is just a "dip", want to tell all those out of work people yourself? "don't worry guys it's just a dip, trade wars are totally easy to win , MAGA!"



You do realize economic tariffs create dislocations that cost some US jobs, while creating more elsewhere? 

And that economic tariffs hurt companies that try to sell things into the US, which ultimately leads them to producing the goods here?  Let me guess, you really don't understand how this whole game works and just lick up BS from the corporate media.


Gonna double post cause I'm on a phone. Are 12k steel jobs more important than 146k steel consuming jobs?

Same shit as coal. You're costing tens of millions to save thousands, who were left behind by the free market. Quit subsidizing, you commie. Let capitalism fluorish.


You think true capitalism enables massive trade deficits in the US for decades?  There isn't any "free market" when it comes to global trade agreements. 

Your theories on capitalism and free markets are mistaken, the elite don't play games of chance.


True capitalism enables anything. The US is non-competitive in the manufacturing sector. We're spoiled little brats who can't work 14 hour days for a dollar a day. We don't deserve to survive in the dog eat dog market of competitive free market. There's a reason I support Chinese textile plants, and that reason is they're easily 3x cheaper for the same quality goods. Capitalism and the free market have told the US: if you wanna be a spoiled brat, get ready for a trade deficit. Some of us have gone "waaaaa!" and some of us have decided that financial, high tech, and cultural exports are an easy market, because I don't work the aforementioned 14 hour days for a dollar a day. The free market capitalism throughout the world lets me pay a brown person to do that bullshit work for me.

By all means, if you, Mr. US citizen, wanna work in my sweatshop for pennies an hour, then I'll show you how to be competitive in a capitalist economy. I'm guessing you won't take the job though. You'll vote for protectionist subsidies and tariffs, to protect your snowflake unskilled ass from real labor.</font></font></font>

EDIT:

No, seriously, what's the difference between being a welfare queen and hiding behind tariffs? Either way, you're stealing money and redistributing it to the poor (in theory, at least, but with hom much Trump goes golfing...)

Edited by Kryptos (06/19/18 09:31 PM)

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Re: Trump's "easy to win" trade war wipes out 2018 DOW gains [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
koods said:
SirTripAlot said:
(shhhh) don't say Obama and the bailouts.


It was the Bush administration, not Obama’s, that bailed out the banks.

How are people so ignorant of recent history?


Or how can one be ignorant of the implementation of the bailouts? Your saying Obama couldn't stop prior presidents actions. Want me to show you where he said 'it was "necessary"

The majority of money and time was under Obama s watch, but you know that.

https://www.politico.com/story/2009/01/obama-gets-first-major-win-with-tarp-017504


So it's obamas fault for not stopping Bush from bailing them out?

Impeccable logic :rofldrunk:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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