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Offlinerecalcitrant
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Who will win this war?
    #1392549 - 03/19/03 04:56 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)


In war, as in imortality, there can be only one

Iraq
USA




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Offlineupupup
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392558 - 03/19/03 04:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

It depends on when you decide who wins.....This will not be a simple "we win" or "they win"

This in not a high school basketball game........


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392565 - 03/19/03 05:01 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Is this a joke?


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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392681 - 03/19/03 05:31 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If Iraq wins this war, then the USA was right all along. Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction.

You'd have to have one fierce fucking arsenal to beat the USA.

The USA will easily topple Saddam, but what then? Will it be worth it? How many more terrorists will this act breed? You know, one of the biggest drags on the USSR was the security needed to maintain the totalitarian regime. How expensive will USA's security get? We're at 400$ billion per year now. Roughly 10 times the amount it would take to eliminate world hunger, so I've heard. How many freinds would that win USA?



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OfflineBlue_JAY
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392691 - 03/19/03 05:33 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No one wins, in war!!!


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392716 - 03/19/03 05:43 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

If Iraq wins this war, then the USA was right all along. Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction.

LOL!  :grin:


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392724 - 03/19/03 05:44 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.


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OfflineTheCaptain
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392746 - 03/19/03 05:51 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

"You'd have to have one fierce fucking arsenal to beat the USA."

Tell that to the Vietcong.

In a traditional battle, yes. But I dont think this will be over quickly- it will ferment for quite some time after all the glitter from CNN is gone...


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Offlinezeronio
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392757 - 03/19/03 05:55 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Who will win this war?




War pigs!

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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1392764 - 03/19/03 05:59 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Tell that to the Vietcong.





That's a good point.

Still, I think it's different now. No?

Vietcong had the USSR to give 'em whatever they needed right? What else? There's more.



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OfflineSkikid16
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392772 - 03/19/03 06:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

That's a good point.


Yeah, except for maybe the fact that we didn't kick the shit out of the Vietcong, impose sanctions, then go to kick the shit out of them for a second time.  :wink:


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392968 - 03/19/03 07:03 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

America will win this war, but it depends on your definition of "win"

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392978 - 03/19/03 07:10 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

we all lose dude..


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Invisibleeric_the_red
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1392995 - 03/19/03 07:16 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

No one wins, in war!!! 




that is what i was going to say.

no one wins. people will die and one side will accomplish a goal, but both lose. :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: 

edit: iraq's forces will be defeated.  hopefully a new ruling power will be established in iraq that will be more humane to its people, so that some benefit may come from this war. 


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1393767 - 03/20/03 01:37 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.



Correct!


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393782 - 03/20/03 01:44 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.



Correct!





He better enjoy it quickly, his time is almost up as well.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #1393793 - 03/20/03 01:53 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The point is, this war will rally more people to Bin Laden's cause. It is the best recruitment tool for Al Queda ever devised. This in turn will result in more terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens, which will in turn be used as an excuse for the U.S. government to further curtail civil liberties and become MORE of a police state, this will eventually create more Americans who hate and mistrust their own government. The bolded points are two that Osama Bin Laden has brought up. Bush's actions are playing right into his hands.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393811 - 03/20/03 02:02 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I guess only time will tell if UBL's vision is prophetic, or delusional. Until then it's all a matter of opinion.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #1393828 - 03/20/03 02:09 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

It has nothing to do with being prophetic. It is about strategy and tactics. Osama Bin Laden is a superior strategist to Bush, he is fighting for his cause in a completely different way. Bush is stuck in strategic and tactical thinking from the 1900's, Bin Laden's way is the way of the 2000's. This is a different kind of warfare which our current military power and way of thinking are unable to effectively address. This will not end with the defeat of Iraq, it's occupation and 'Nation building.' This will play out over decades.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393844 - 03/20/03 02:20 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

As I said, until anything happens, it's all a matter of opinion. You have yours obviously, and I have mine.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1393967 - 03/20/03 03:05 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

No one wins, in war!!!

excellent.

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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1395252 - 03/20/03 10:46 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Evolving, you're right on the money.

I think Bush has played this out basically how Bin Laden wanted him to - I believe Bin Laden failed to realize the power of the American "Propaganda Machine" that is running full-force right now.

On the large-scale, though, I think more people dislike the USA now than they did 2 years ago, because Osama's attack caused a very bad side of our government's structure, arrogance, and outlook to be widely exposed for all to see.

Osama wanted to open some eyes. Bush wants to keep them closed.


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Edited by Strumpling (03/20/03 10:49 AM)

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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1395338 - 03/20/03 11:40 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Osama wanted to open some eyes. Bush wants to keep them closed.




Let us not forget how many eyes are closed by radical Islam. Osama thrives off propaganda (what is it 17 virgins in heaven?). He was motivated by hate. He was against us because we don't believe like him. Radical Islam doesn't open anyones eyes and I find your comments to be very inflammatory.

One last thing: FUCK YOU. I LOST A GOOD FRIEND THANKS TO OSAMA BIN LADEN. FUCK YOU DARING TO SAY THAT HE WAS TRYING TO OPEN OUR EYES AS IF HE IS TRYING TO HELP US.


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Offlinepattern
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1395536 - 03/20/03 01:25 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

I suspect the Iraq War is opening the eyes of people in the Middle East. They are taking looks at their own shitty governments.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1395566 - 03/20/03 01:37 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Osama wanted to open some eyes.

I don't want to stomp on you the way the last guy did, but I do have to say that that comment demands some explanation.

Both Bush and Osama are former playboys who probably can't get their dicks up anymore and so seek power and violence as thrill substitutes. They've both also figured out that pretending to be religious is a really easy way to get millions of feeble-minded people to support you. They are both about as far from the genuine spiritual life as it is possible to get. What I'd really like to do is put the two of them, Saddam Hussein, and all of their top aides together in a space capusle and send the lot of them into the depths of the solar system. Whoever survived the inevitable rumble in the capsule could then slowly die as oxygen and food supplies ran out. That would be the greatest gift to humanity I can imagine.

Just a thought, anyway.

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1395650 - 03/20/03 02:10 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Just a thought, anyway.



... and a pretty darn good one.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1395660 - 03/20/03 02:16 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

...since you put it that way.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1396222 - 03/20/03 06:08 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The Iraqi people and Freedom its self will win this war.

After all, its their freedom that were after.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1396459 - 03/20/03 08:09 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

z@z.com and EchoVortex,

I'm done with this thread. See ya, guys.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1396509 - 03/20/03 08:48 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

After all, its their freedom that were after.




I got this strange association to the "Arbeit macht frei" slogan.

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1396799 - 03/21/03 01:34 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

After all, its their freedom that were after.




If that's the case why are we not freeing Cuba, Belarus, North Korea or China? Each of these countries have repressive regimes and so called 'weapons of mass destruction'. Financial gain is what the US government is after.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: grib]
    #1396986 - 03/21/03 02:57 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

If that's the case why are we not freeing Cuba, Belarus, North Korea or China? Each of these countries have repressive regimes and so called 'weapons of mass destruction'. Financial gain is what the US government is after.




I believe that the reason we are going after Iraq is partially because of oil, but not because we want it. Unlike those other nations mentioned Iraq has a ton of oil which is worth a ton of money. This money can be used to build up an army or develop chemical/biological/nuclear weapons. We are after Iraq partially because of what they could do and not just for what they have already done.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1403807 - 03/23/03 03:02 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Iraq will win. their forces are dug in and the people believe in what they are fighting for. the morale of the american forces is low because 1) wide gap in support for the war back home in america 2) heavy casualties(not reported in US media) 3) Iraqi people's attitude toward the "invaders"(the "liberators" are being shot at) 4) fighting on foreign soil in hostile desert conditions(sand storms, etc.). aerial bombing can only soften up defences so much, and works better in open areas. however, ultimately this will turn into an urban war and I believe it's next to impossible for america to win with military might alone. the iraqi people will never welcome the americans. i hope the american government realizes this soon, as the number of casualties will likely see a dramatic increase in the days to come.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: EchoVortex]
    #1403894 - 03/23/03 03:48 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

What I'd really like to do is put the two of them, Saddam Hussein, and all of their top aides together in a space capusle and send the lot of them into the depths of the solar system.
Just a thought, anyway.




Normally I'd oppose the idea of using space to get rid of our garbage, but this might be a good exception.

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: rhizo]
    #1403937 - 03/23/03 04:06 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

You think Iraq will win? Are you a total retard?

Do you even know how many soldiers the Allied forces have over there?


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: rhizo]
    #1404033 - 03/23/03 04:38 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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the iraqi people will never welcome the americans. i hope the american government realizes this soon, as the number of casualties will likely see a dramatic increase in the days to come.



Their are several types of Iraqi people... Their are those who live in Bagdhad and other "civilized" cities who have stores to shop at, internet access, cable and satellite TV, jobs, school and all the other perks...

Then their are the other 2.5 million people who live without indoor blumbing, no electricity, not even a paved road or mail service... The majority of the country oives in terrible poverty and its these people who think that the US will bring them Britney Spears and Jay Lenno.

I was watching an MTV special and they it gave me insite to the Iraqi position on the US... People who live in cities in Iraq HATE us, they cant stand the arrogance of the US, they believe with an outstanding majority that the US got what it deserved on 9/11.

When our troops finaly get into Bagdhad they will see 10 year old kids shooting at them, Elderly women throwing grenades down on them and average citizens blowing themselvs up to take our even just a few of them.

Its the poor and uneduicated that accept the US. Its the unwanted that actualy want us their, but just like here in America its those same throw away people who dont count for anything.

The true test is yet to come..


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #1404046 - 03/23/03 04:45 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe they just don't like hearing and seeing all our Amerikan tv shows, our products and stuff cuz they are so publicized throughout the world. They think Amerika is everywhere, infecting them and the rest of the world with religon or something. I really don't know, but I do know that they don't really know what Amerika is and what it stands for- they just hear their suppressive rulers telling them that Amerika is evil. It seems arabs are born hating Amerika.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Murex]
    #1404169 - 03/23/03 05:29 PM (21 years, 3 months ago)

calling people names, man that's brilliant. i suggest you read up on the pentagon's strategy for this war. you will quickly notice a huge fault. i'd enlighten you, but you don't seem open to the ideas of a "retard". anyway, happy flaming...


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1404915 - 03/24/03 04:01 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

i'm surprised to see that so many people voted for iraq. i suppose one could say that 'iraq' wins when saddam is ousted too... but i doubt that that's the explanation for why there are so many 'iraq' votes.

for you who think that the government of saddam hussien will emerge victorious, what kind of military scenario do you think will allow a victory for hussien?

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: ]
    #1404934 - 03/24/03 04:16 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

The U.S. will definately accomplish its goal. There is no doubt about that. They have already crippled saddams ability to rule openly. Wether we win or not, That depends on what you mean by winning.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: sirreal]
    #1405179 - 03/24/03 06:12 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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The U.S. will definately accomplish its goal.





whoa, you sound like bush or blair. i think you guys need to stop and take a look at what's going on from a military perspective. yeah the US has taken a lot of desert, but that's it. They can't even maintain control of Umm Qasr, and that's just a small city that was supposedly "secured" three days ago. Nothing has been "secured". The coalition raced up to Baghdad without reinforcing their supply line. Now there is speculation(although I don't believe a word that comes out of Ari Fleischer's mouth) that Russia has provided the Iraqi army with night vision equipment, anti tank guided missiles, and gps jamming(for smart bomb jamming) devices. This regime won't be toppled from the outside, and I don't think the Iraqi people are going to let foreigners steal their oil. Here is an account of what happened when coalition Apache helicopters tried to engage Republican Guard troops 50 miles south of Baghdad. They didn't even make it to the Republican Guard troops...

"They were to destroy 72 tanks and artillery pieces. Nevertheless, what happened in practice was that they flew into the area where they were due to start the battle. The helicopter came under very heavy anti-aircraft and artillery fire. Some of that they're telling me [Monday] morning did not only come from military gun and placements around the area but also came from residential areas.

They have their fears now that one of the strategies is either to place military emplacements in residential areas or civilians themselves have declared open season on coalition aircraft flying in the area.

ZAHN: Once they encounter the stiff resistance, were any able to tell you whether they completed their objectives?

PENHAUL: I was talking to many of them [Monday] morning. They were showing me their aircraft that they successfully got back to the base here. Most of those aircraft do show evidence of gunshot impact -- some of them obviously impacts from fairly small arms fire from the rifles and such like. Others show signs that they were from larger rounds, possibly anti-aircraft.

Most of these pilots tell me they were not able to complete their mission and attack the Republican Guard. Most of the time they spent in that battle zone, defending themselves and trying to get out alive..."

and this was from CNN of all places


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: rhizo]
    #1405213 - 03/24/03 06:24 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

just wondering... if it's not over in 30 days (or is it 60?), does bush need a congressional declaration of war to keep it going?

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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: ]
    #1413592 - 03/27/03 06:34 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

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just wondering... if it's not over in 30 days (or is it 60?), does bush need a congressional declaration of war to keep it going?


I think they gave him free reign to do whatever the fuck he wants last fall, no?


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