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Offlinerecalcitrant
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Who will win this war?
    #1392549 - 03/19/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)


In war, as in imortality, there can be only one

Iraq
USA




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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392558 - 03/19/03 06:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It depends on when you decide who wins.....This will not be a simple "we win" or "they win"

This in not a high school basketball game........


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392565 - 03/19/03 07:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Is this a joke?


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392681 - 03/19/03 07:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If Iraq wins this war, then the USA was right all along. Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction.

You'd have to have one fierce fucking arsenal to beat the USA.

The USA will easily topple Saddam, but what then? Will it be worth it? How many more terrorists will this act breed? You know, one of the biggest drags on the USSR was the security needed to maintain the totalitarian regime. How expensive will USA's security get? We're at 400$ billion per year now. Roughly 10 times the amount it would take to eliminate world hunger, so I've heard. How many freinds would that win USA?



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OfflineBlue_JAY
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392691 - 03/19/03 07:33 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

No one wins, in war!!!


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OfflineMurex
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392716 - 03/19/03 07:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If Iraq wins this war, then the USA was right all along. Saddam DOES have weapons of mass destruction.

LOL!  :grin:


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392724 - 03/19/03 07:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.


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OfflineTheCaptain
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392746 - 03/19/03 07:51 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

"You'd have to have one fierce fucking arsenal to beat the USA."

Tell that to the Vietcong.

In a traditional battle, yes. But I dont think this will be over quickly- it will ferment for quite some time after all the glitter from CNN is gone...


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Offlinezeronio
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392757 - 03/19/03 07:55 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Who will win this war?




War pigs!


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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: TheCaptain]
    #1392764 - 03/19/03 07:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Tell that to the Vietcong.





That's a good point.

Still, I think it's different now. No?

Vietcong had the USSR to give 'em whatever they needed right? What else? There's more.



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Edited by carbonhoots (03/19/03 08:03 PM)


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OfflineSkikid16
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1392772 - 03/19/03 08:02 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

That's a good point.


Yeah, except for maybe the fact that we didn't kick the shit out of the Vietcong, impose sanctions, then go to kick the shit out of them for a second time.  :wink:


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392968 - 03/19/03 09:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

America will win this war, but it depends on your definition of "win"


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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: recalcitrant]
    #1392978 - 03/19/03 09:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

we all lose dude..


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Blue_JAY]
    #1392995 - 03/19/03 09:16 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

No one wins, in war!!! 




that is what i was going to say.

no one wins. people will die and one side will accomplish a goal, but both lose. :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: 

edit: iraq's forces will be defeated.  hopefully a new ruling power will be established in iraq that will be more humane to its people, so that some benefit may come from this war. 


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Edited by eric_the_red (03/19/03 09:24 PM)


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1393767 - 03/20/03 03:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.



Correct!


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393782 - 03/20/03 03:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:

Who'll win this war?

Osama Bin Laden.



Correct!





He better enjoy it quickly, his time is almost up as well.


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InvisibleEvolving
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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #1393793 - 03/20/03 03:53 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The point is, this war will rally more people to Bin Laden's cause. It is the best recruitment tool for Al Queda ever devised. This in turn will result in more terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens, which will in turn be used as an excuse for the U.S. government to further curtail civil liberties and become MORE of a police state, this will eventually create more Americans who hate and mistrust their own government. The bolded points are two that Osama Bin Laden has brought up. Bush's actions are playing right into his hands.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393811 - 03/20/03 04:02 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I guess only time will tell if UBL's vision is prophetic, or delusional. Until then it's all a matter of opinion.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Fred Garvin]
    #1393828 - 03/20/03 04:09 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It has nothing to do with being prophetic. It is about strategy and tactics. Osama Bin Laden is a superior strategist to Bush, he is fighting for his cause in a completely different way. Bush is stuck in strategic and tactical thinking from the 1900's, Bin Laden's way is the way of the 2000's. This is a different kind of warfare which our current military power and way of thinking are unable to effectively address. This will not end with the defeat of Iraq, it's occupation and 'Nation building.' This will play out over decades.


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Re: Who will win this war? [Re: Evolving]
    #1393844 - 03/20/03 04:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

As I said, until anything happens, it's all a matter of opinion. You have yours obviously, and I have mine.


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