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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Yeah I know Jackal, don't think I'm being skeptical, I'm just wanting to see a very close approximation to their patent and see similarities.
As for the light you may want to experiment with it, I think it may be a triggering factor that affects the nomadic hyphae that come from the sclerotia once casing is applied. The light may have an effect on it that might send it into the sexual cycle.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
Yeah I know Jackal, don't think I'm being skeptical, I'm just wanting to see a very close approximation to their patent and see similarities.
As for the light you may want to experiment with it, I think it may be a triggering factor that affects the nomadic hyphae that come from the sclerotia once casing is applied. The light may have an effect on it that might send it into the sexual cycle.


Good point, and there is light in nature nonetheless!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Originally Posted by Workman
Some morel cultivation information in the Mycena News.

http://www.mssf.org/mnews/0705mn.pdf

Very kewl, info from above link! As for my experiment, it is languishing in winter mode in the cooler and I will try fruiting again soon!


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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i was wundering what happened?:dancing:


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: greys]
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hmm yet the patent states a 1 cm deep nutrient poor substrate 25% sand 75% organic, preferably leached, cooked twice and strained. Then sit a mason jar with grain and a perforated liner on top of the substrate once it colonizes. On top means turned upside down. moisture shouldn't be excessive, preferably the level which soil would be found to have pulled fresh out of the bag.
Jackal those shrooms don't really like water, that's why they come up "excessive water". You're drowning them.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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You should be in the feeding stage, not winter yet.
I see no sclerotia.

The patent states the same methods used to create sclerotia in the jars parallels those for the trays. And visa versa.

so the jars should have a 25% sand 75% organic layer that is poor
and a layer that is all grain and rich.



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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
You should be in the feeding stage, not winter yet.
I see no sclerotia.

The patent states the same methods used to create sclerotia in the jars parallels those for the trays. And visa versa.

so the jars should have a 25% sand 75% organic layer that is poor
and a layer that is all grain and rich.




I am following the mushroom peoples procedure where you make the sclerotia first (go back a few pages for pics), then put that in nutrient poor substrate with feed tray underneath, followed by removal of feed tray, winter mode, simulated rain, and fruiting.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Yeah but you know they aren't the ones who came up with the idea.
That bunch just seems to be throwing out their own theory while trying to
get you to buy their supplies.
Besides the patent places the nutrient source on top of the nutrient poor, not
on the bottom. You never know it could be something as simple as that.

I have found small aggregates on the surface of the glass of my jars
recently. These could be sclerotia. The temps have been cooler and the hyphae
has gotten extremely dense and highly branched, then on the glass above the soil from a nomadic hypha a denser formation has occurred, not once but in five different locations above the soil and on the side on the glass. I suspect that no soil whatsoever represents absolutely no nutrients and it must have a need to form sclerotia. However I have noticed some super dense specks in the soil so its hard to say if those are sclerotia or dense mycelial hypha.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: AcidHorse]
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AcidHorse said:
Yeah but you know they aren't the ones who came up with the idea.
That bunch just seems to be throwing out their own theory while trying to
get you to buy their supplies.
Besides the patent places the nutrient source on top of the nutrient poor, not
on the bottom. You never know it could be something as simple as that.

I have found small aggregates on the surface of the glass of my jars
recently. These could be sclerotia. The temps have been cooler and the hyphae
has gotten extremely dense and highly branched, then on the glass above the soil from a nomadic hypha a denser formation has occurred, not once but in five different locations above the soil and on the side on the glass. I suspect that no soil whatsoever represents absolutely no nutrients and it must have a need to form sclerotia. However I have noticed some super dense specks in the soil so its hard to say if those are sclerotia or dense mycelial hypha.


I think even with the patents, which I have read, there is no assurance of success. Probably requires lots of trial and error, as the peeps commercially growing these bad boys are going to keep any proven techniques a trade secret.


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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Sorry for dropping off the face of the earth. The morel mushroom experiment almost led to divorce. Since then, gotten into aquaponics, and now experimenting with growing mushrooms as part of an aquaponics system. Made another thread for that experiment.

Cheers

Jackal


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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what a thread, glad it didnt end up with a divorce.

I for one would like to see how you incorporate mushrooms into aquaponics

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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: my-mycelium]
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my-mycelium said:
what a thread, glad it didnt end up with a divorce.

I for one would like to see how you incorporate mushrooms into aquaponics


Thanks and here you go:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24762514


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: The_Jackal]
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So once again the morels are taunting me. This time will try to see if employing an aquaponic flood and drain soil wicking bed along with natural plants and soil with microbes native to the rufo morel makes a difference.



Perhaps the success with the aquaponic oyster mushrooms will bring me luck.

Cheers!

Jackal


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Re: Morel and morel excited! [Re: EastBayRay]
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EastBayRay said:
I've been finding blacks really early in my area near dead and dying birch trees. By really early I mean a month earlier than the yellows.


Want to go hunting, problem is nobody that knows where they grow are willing to share. :frown: Trying to grow them aquaponically in soil is the next experiment. :smile:

Cheers!

Carlos


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