Tantrika said:

CookieCrumbs said:

Well the real question is whether or not they believed she was armed with a firearm and if so would they have been able to keep them from grabbing it.


Cuz I'd believe a shot to the knee cap at a dozen paces pretty quickly removes the threat of a knife wielding attacker. Might be crippled for life but it's definitely not murder.


"Mental illness training" has fuck all to do with this.
The question is whether or not they used excessive force to control the threat. And to me the obvious answer is yes.

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Serious question, due to not being entirely in touch with the US legal system
at what point is pepper spray considered acceptable force,
and at what point would permanent crippling be considered acceptable force
the story already mentioned lawsuit for the shooting -- would that be a risk
if the cops just showed up and pepper sprayed people right off the bat?
could be pretty cool with more videos akin to 'don't tase me bro' and less akin to the one in OP

Quote:

"I don't go out of my way to watch it, but it comes up sometimes," Andrew told reporters a few years ago. "Every time I see it, it’s still painful. People talk about the Taser as if it were nothing. Maybe some people have been tased, and they didn’t feel it. When I felt it, it was excruciating."

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Quote:

Fast-forward to today and Andrew Meyer lives in Florida, and works, unsurprisingly, for right wing troll Mike Cernovich.

If you've heard of Cernovich – a professional livestreamer – it could be from him peddling Pizzagate, from appearing on Infowars or from calling his detractors pedophiles online. He's also known for having a huge following of the sort of MAGA ultras who think Benghazi, George Soros and chemtrails are the cause of the world's problems.

In a brief interview with The Tab, Meyer said: "My political views are similar to my views in 2007 – I want peace in the world and prosecution for criminals in Wall Street and the military industrial complex."

Now he writes for cernovich.com about stories with breathless headlines like:
Cernovich’s Legal Quest For Documents In Clinton-Linked Pedophile Case Gains Ally
Journalist Asks Hillary Clinton “What Happened” to Her Emails
Seth Rich Alt-Left Radicals Including “Jihad” Supporter Protest NFL For Colin Kaepernick

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https://thetab.com/us/2017/09/14/whatever-happened-to-the-dont-tase-me-bro-guy-71781


as stated, do not think that the event had to end in a shooting
it is simply difficult for me to fault someone for firing in a tense situation while being advanced on
recognize that, even with training, that is a quite different situation from shooting someone unarmed and running away

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koods said:

American cops are cowards. Plain and simple. No other western country would someone be dealt with in that manner.

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CookieCrumbs said:

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Taser is excruciating and pepperspray is terrifying agony. So are beanbags fired from a modified shotgun. They all risk permanent injury. They all risk death. They're all still far better odds than getting shot in center mass.

They've implemented for that reason.
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This probably wouldn't even make headlines if it weren't now a well known problem that police officers do not know how or when to use appropriate amounts of force. The ones that use too little force get reprimanded or eventually hurt or have a suspect get away. The ones that (clearly) use too much force get a 2 weeks vacation or I think standard is one week when they have to use lethal force for their own mental wellbeing.

Lawsuits go through sometimes. Doesn't really matter to them since our tax dollars pay the settlement. Rarely are there charges and very rarely are there any convictions or employment related repercussions.


I admit this particular case can be a somewhat understandable gray area. But we absolutely must keep hammering on the issue that law enforcement in this country is poorly controlled and has little enough enforcement within its own ranks.


They need more than better training. Better training without regulations and repercussions aren't gonna change all that much.
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Unless it became a trans-discrimination issue.

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Am not meaning to be super selective in quoting you to misrepresent you or anything
but the above is just kind of relevant to what follows

Shroomery Story Time


Roughly 10-15 years ago my suicidal tendencies were at their arguable worst
did not comprehend having OCD, and avoided doctors like the plague

called the suicide hotline on a few occasions
was temporarily rooming with a friend at one point
he had a BB gun (was not aware, just saw it through the doorway of his room time to time)
the lady on the suicide hotline asked me what methods of suicide were under consideration
my OCD was flaring wicked bad, so ended up just going over this long list of potential options
basically all the imagery spilling out without me knowing it to be invasive imagery
at some point mentioned the roommate's gun
and later in the call she politely informed me that the police were roughly 2-5 minutes from the house

two showed up,
both had their holsters unclipped and had their back hand a few inches from, but not on, their pistols
they started asking if I was alright, where was the gun
one examined it and we realized it was a BB gun
they were still concerned
so got taken to the ER to see the psychiatric nurse on hand for an assessment
depression, got meds for it (they made the suicidal imagery worse; quit taking them within a couple weeks
and swore off pills and doctors for like...7 years?)

have since learned a lot about OCD and how the flares of suicidal imagery can be, at least somewhat, mitigated

TL;DR
Transwoman at a point of still not comprehending her own identity
cries her eyes out while suicidal, states to have a gun
cops come, no weapons are even drawn
but was not trying to commit suicide by cop
and rather than one of the officers being left traumatized over killing me
they likely went for coffee and donuts after my trip to the ER and laughed over the BB gun


Subsequent line of questioning:
What explains the drawing of guns in the OP compared to my situation
the micro-knife they had in hand?
Was not personally armed when the officers came in
but are our police more regulated or something?
(you likely do not have any more of an answer to this than me, as it would require a comparison of the two legal systems)

CookieCrumbs said:

...Ended up going through that whole situation alone cuz I realized basically any of the people out there to "help" me would have had my friends arrested, and possibly released on bail and ready to kill me, and have had me homeless.

There's no one you can "just talk to" about these things. Someone's gonna call the fucking police and fuck your shit up and fuck what you want or need.
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My friends used to be pretty clean-cut,
ended up being the 'corrupting' influence in a number of their lives