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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Sticky Green]
    #14299712 - 04/16/11 06:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

No. XX = female, XY = male.

It's not about the penis.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Doc_T]
    #14299994 - 04/16/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah.... I would never make friends or hang out with a fucking tranny... Shame on them.... wacked up psychos....


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: demon66]
    #14300987 - 04/16/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you are a fucking retard.  Penis = Man  Vagina = Woman    Yes...it really is that simple.




I read somewhere that most people are hemaphorditic but just at varying degrees. gender and sex are two different things.

so no, its not that simple.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Hakim0777]
    #14302831 - 04/16/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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demon66 said:
you are a fucking retard.  Penis = Man  Vagina = Woman    Yes...it really is that simple.




I read somewhere that most people are hemaphorditic but just at varying degrees. gender and sex are two different things.

so no, its not that simple.




1 in 500 males. But Only 1 in 1000 males show any signs.


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: yessir]
    #14302837 - 04/16/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

holy shit wrong thread!


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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: owls]
    #14302909 - 04/16/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14303166 - 04/16/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

this likely has been pointed out, but six pages into this thread I've gotten tired of reading:

Those who are making the genetic argument for gender must not be aware of severe androgen insensitivity, which was mentioned by someone at the beginning of this article but wasn't explained.

I *think* that Jamie Lee Curtis is an example of a woman with a Y chromosome; she's XY.  Even if this is just a rumor about Jamie Lee, there are women out there with an XY sex chromosome makeup.  Due to an extreme insensitivity to androgens (testosterone, essentially), despite their chromosomes, they develop in utero and as they age as mostly biologically normal women, although they are infertile and tend to entirely lack certain internal reproductive organs - or in the rare cases where these organs are present they tend to be significantly underdeveloped.  These individuals are genetically male, and they even have androgens circulating in their blood; simple blood tests reveal significant levels of testosterone in their bloodstreams.  It seems to me that this throws a bigass monkeywrench into arguments that attempt to define gender in terms of genetics or hormone levels.

I'm not a geneticist (well, at least my knowledge about genetics is concentrated in other areas), nor am I an endocrinologist, and this is all from memory, but I think it's at least mostly correct.  I appreciate any posts pointing out my mistakes.

As for everything else that's been brought up, it seems other people have done a fine job of saying everything I'd say, so I'll spare everyone the redundancy and merely say that gender and - especially - sexuality do not conform to the rigid categories we try to fit them neatly into with language.  This thread serves as an excellent example of the limitations of language, as well as how language tends to force an amount of rigidity on the ideas that words represent - which becomes especially apparent when discussing a topic with as many ambiguities as this one.


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