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do you think transexuality
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is as normal or close to as heterosexuality or bisexual or homosexual? would you think of a transexual person differently from someone else if they asked to smoke a bowl with you?
im asking with no judgement on my end. just something that popped in my head.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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its bisexual.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Coaster]
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transexual is bisexual? unless your talkin about that i wrote bi before, which i edited
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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fucking a trany is bi
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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I don't give a fuck. I'd hang out with a tranny if they were a cool person.
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idk man i probably wouldn't have too much in common with a tranny. I imagine they're pretty fucked up.
I think it's more uncommon than homosexuality, and bisexuality... sexuality in general is crazy, I wonder what causes homosexuality? I always thought it might just be their brains were wired differently. Almost like some kind of birth defect (not saying gays are defective) or something. I definitely dont think it's a choice...who would choose to be ridiculed and looked down on? Also vagina is the greatest thing on earth besides.......idk ill edit it when I think of something better
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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Id have no problem hanging out with a tranny as a friend but I would not want to have sex with them.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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Most drag queens and other trans-gender (are those the same thing) are pretty much into their own scene and nothing else. There's an infinite amount of coolness in the world, and I'm sure there are tranny's who are as chill as I am, but odds are I'm not going to run into one. I don't hang out in places where I'm likely to meet them (gay/les/tranny/crossdresser bars) and neither do most poeple I know.
Like it was said earlier, it's a choice, I think it's fine. If you wanna fuck a tranny, fuck a tranny. It's just another warm, wet hole to stick your dick in, I'm just looking for the same book with a different cover.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity] 2
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Well it depends, all transexuality means is you do not identify with the gender most people assume you are. So, if a woman wants to be man, and is attracted to men, she would be a gay man. If a man wants to be a woman and is attracted to men, it would be a hetero relationship.
I actually identify more with the female gender than the male gender despite my appearance of looking masculine.
Simply put, most people like a simple view of sex and gender: Once it gets complex I think people don't know what to think. Anyone who insists that a tranny is not a girl and insists on saying the masculine pronouns, might as well start going up to black people and saying nigger. I think respect does not mix well with complexity with some people.
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I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
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Most drag queens and other trans-gender (are those the same thing) are pretty much into their own scene and nothing else. There's an infinite amount of coolness in the world, and I'm sure there are tranny's who are as chill as I am, but odds are I'm not going to run into one. I don't hang out in places where I'm likely to meet them (gay/les/tranny/crossdresser bars) and neither do most poeple I know.
Like it was said earlier, it's a choice, I think it's fine. If you wanna fuck a tranny, fuck a tranny. It's just another warm, wet hole to stick your dick in, I'm just looking for the same book with a different cover.
Drag queens or Drag kings are attempt at a parody of what it means to look girly or manly. Everything a drag queen does is meant for the stage--it is not for intergration. Trans people want to intergrate and be treated with respect to how they feel. (I.E. what gender they belong to)
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From my understanding drag queens are primarily gay men who want to wear womens clothing and transsexuals(mtf) are primarily females in a male body as where transvestites are typically straight male fetishists.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917] 3
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Anthony917 said: I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.

So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
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Apollyphelion said: So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
You're a hundred different kinds of awesome for this.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Charles]
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High five, yo!
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Anthony917 said: I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.

So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
I would call that tranny a man, absolutely. He has a dick. Gender is not mental. It is physical. I mean come on, are you honestly going to tell me that if I had tits and dressed like a woman that I'm not a man? Born with a cock = man.
They are obviously just ultra fucked up in the head, something horribly wrong must've happened in their childhood or their brains are just wired wrong. I went to high school with this guy patrick who always dressed like a woman, he talked in this very stereotypical homosexual way. He has a dick, and no matter how hard he tries, he's always going to be a man. He can act like a woman, dress like a woman, and even look like a woman, but he isn't.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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Yeah... to me, transgenders have a screw or two loose in the head. Or have self-image problems that need to be worked out.
There's no reason to have surgery to get your dick "chopped off" / "put on" just because you like a certain gender.
I've got no problem with homosexuality and bisexuality; go do your thing! You don't have to change yourself to go do your thing.
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Anthony917 said: I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.

So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
you can dress a dog up as a cat, but it's still a dog. penis = man, vagina = woman, irrelevant of whether or not you psychologically feel associated to one gender or another.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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I love trannies if for no other reason than the fact that they fuck with people's heads.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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ifoundwaldo said: Yeah... to me, transgenders have a screw or two loose in the head. Or have self-image problems that need to be worked out.
There's no reason to have surgery to get your dick "chopped off" / "put on" just because you like a certain gender.
I've got no problem with homosexuality and bisexuality; go do your thing! You don't have to change yourself to go do your thing.
Sometimes its not about who you are into so much as who you want to be. Some male to female transgenders feel like lesbians trapped in a male body. They dont want to have sex with guys but they still want to be women.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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i just watched a movie, Transamerica from 2005.. it was actually pretty scary  i recomend
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transgenderism is not a sexual orientation.
i don't think it has anything tod o with being htereosexual, homosexual, etc. if someone wanted to fuck men or women, they would be gay instead of bothering with a huge sex change ordeal. transgenderism is a whole different thing.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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Ive seen that movie.
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Ive seen that movie.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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The only part I thought was really weird was that the mother/father freaked out about him kissing a girl but was all for him being in gay porn.
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yes o_m_g..! the "teenage" gay porn, the "teenage" gay prostitution & molestation. the part when the son came onto the Transgendered Dad/women before he knew it was his dad, THAT was the scary part . . . that put it over for me
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Mello Kitty]
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Although i do not understand this post i will try and answer.
I would not care what the person was, if the person was cool and respectful i would chill and smoke a bowl or hangout with said person. No matter gender, sex, or orientation.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Legend]
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legit27 said: Although i do not understand this post i will try and answer.
I would not care what the person was, if the person was cool and respectful i would chill and smoke a bowl or hangout with said person. No matter gender, sex, or orientation.
I think most people would agree with this. The only problem is...usually you don't find many transgendered people who you'd wanna chill with
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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transsexuals are some people who are SERIOUSLY fucked in the head, sorry.
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herbalMedz said: transsexuals are some people who are SERIOUSLY fucked in the head, sorry.
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ifoundwaldo said: Yeah... to me, transgenders have a screw or two loose in the head. Or have self-image problems that need to be worked out.
There's no reason to have surgery to get your dick "chopped off" / "put on" just because you like a certain gender.
I've got no problem with homosexuality and bisexuality; go do your thing! You don't have to change yourself to go do your thing.
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Anthony917 said: I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.

So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
I would call that tranny a man, absolutely. He has a dick. Gender is not mental. It is physical. I mean come on, are you honestly going to tell me that if I had tits and dressed like a woman that I'm not a man? Born with a cock = man.
They are obviously just ultra fucked up in the head, something horribly wrong must've happened in their childhood or their brains are just wired wrong. I went to high school with this guy patrick who always dressed like a woman, he talked in this very stereotypical homosexual way. He has a dick, and no matter how hard he tries, he's always going to be a man. He can act like a woman, dress like a woman, and even look like a woman, but he isn't.
Most of that is factually wrong. I do agree there may be profound psychological issues, but I don't think that's a direct cause of whatever the condition is. It's a direct cause of having the condition in this fucked up unaccepting society.
This is what happens when you have an accepting society: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine
If you really care about any of this and want to learn something you can pick up a biopsychology textbook and check out the reproductive behavior chapter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia
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ifoundwaldo said: Yeah... to me, transgenders have a screw or two loose in the head. Or have self-image problems that need to be worked out.
There's no reason to have surgery to get your dick "chopped off" / "put on" just because you like a certain gender.
I've got no problem with homosexuality and bisexuality; go do your thing! You don't have to change yourself to go do your thing.
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Anthony917 said: I think it's pretty simple. If you were born with a cock then you are a man. If you were born with a vagina then you're a woman.
If a woman wants to be a man and is attracted to men, then she's just a straight woman that identifies more with men. I mean I don't understand all these sex changes. Why can't you just be a woman that does hella manly shit? Idk.
This is a common attitude, but it is the result of not being familiar with the complexities of the human spectrum of sex and gender.

So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
I would call that tranny a man, absolutely. He has a dick. Gender is not mental. It is physical. I mean come on, are you honestly going to tell me that if I had tits and dressed like a woman that I'm not a man? Born with a cock = man.
They are obviously just ultra fucked up in the head, something horribly wrong must've happened in their childhood or their brains are just wired wrong. I went to high school with this guy patrick who always dressed like a woman, he talked in this very stereotypical homosexual way. He has a dick, and no matter how hard he tries, he's always going to be a man. He can act like a woman, dress like a woman, and even look like a woman, but he isn't.
Most of that is factually wrong. I do agree there may be profound psychological issues, but I don't think that's a direct cause of whatever the condition is. It's a direct cause of having the condition in this fucked up unaccepting society.
This is what happens when you have an accepting society: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine
If you really care about any of this and want to learn something you can pick up a biopsychology textbook and check out the reproductive behavior chapter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia
Suprachiamic nucleus, anterior commissure, human sexually dimorphic nucleus, interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus.
thumbs up for knowing what's up. people don't understand the difference between biological sex and gender, which is mental. it's a lot more complicated than penis=man, vagina=female.
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If you have a dick and you think you should be a woman then do you not see how that person has some serious mental issues? Penis = Male
HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
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Anthony917 said: If you have a dick and you think you should be a woman then do you not see how that person has some serious mental issues? Penis = Male
HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
a transgendered woman born into a man's body is a woman.
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HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
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Anthony917 said: If you have a dick and you think you should be a woman then do you not see how that person has some serious mental issues? Penis = Male
HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
a transgendered woman born into a man's body is a woman.

So you're telling me that if a male, born with a penis, thinks they are a woman, then they are a woman?
Well I think that I'm a fucking dog because I feel like one.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
Ok so we can agree that transgendered people are fucked up mentally. It doesn't change the fact that they are biologically men/women.
I have nothing against transgendered people, and if someone who feels trapped in the wrong body wants to have a sex change or dress like the opposite sex or w/e then I don't really give a shit. However, denying the fact that said person is ACTUALLY a man/woman seems silly to me.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
Ok so we can agree that transgendered people are fucked up mentally. It doesn't change the fact that they are biologically men/women.
I have nothing against transgendered people, and if someone who feels trapped in the wrong body wants to have a sex change or dress like the opposite sex or w/e then I don't really give a shit. However, denying the fact that said person is ACTUALLY a man/woman seems silly to me.
no we can't agree on that, because i never once said or implied that.
nothing is being denied. if a transgendered woman was born in a man's body, they are ACTUALLY ACTUALLY a woman.
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Anthony917 said: If you have a dick and you think you should be a woman then do you not see how that person has some serious mental issues? Penis = Male
HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
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Anthony917 said: If you have a dick and you think you should be a woman then do you not see how that person has some serious mental issues? Penis = Male
HOW IS IT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT?!
If you have a cock but feel like you were born in the wrong body, feel like a woman, want to BE a woman, etc...then GO AHEAD! But you will NEVER BE A WOMAN.
Somebody may physically possess a penis, but they may feel happier playing the role of woman in society, which is subjective and not at the mercy of biological constraints.
For example, in China in the 1900's Peking Opera was prominent and well liked. The two most sought after roles were the female and male lead, except biological females weren't allowed in the opera. Many actors coveted the role of lead female, and had to live their entire lives as woman as a result, learning to embody their every mannerism. Many men found this extremely attractive in the culture as well, and these actors weren't perceived as having a disorder, rather they were applauded for what they had done.
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xwk said: it's not as much that you 'think' you are a woman. it's that mentally, you ARE a woman. studies have shown that transgendered women have more similar brain structure to women than men. same goes for transgenered men.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan.html
Ok so we can agree that transgendered people are fucked up mentally. It doesn't change the fact that they are biologically men/women.
I have nothing against transgendered people, and if someone who feels trapped in the wrong body wants to have a sex change or dress like the opposite sex or w/e then I don't really give a shit. However, denying the fact that said person is ACTUALLY a man/woman seems silly to me.
no we can't agree on that, because i never once said or implied that.
nothing is being denied. if a transgendered woman was born in a man's body, they are ACTUALLY ACTUALLY a woman.
you define gender as a MENTAL thing. So am I a lizard just cause I think I am? What kind of fucking ass-backwards thinking is that? It is useless continuing this argument because we fundamentally disagree on what makes someone a certain gender. I think transgendered people have a serious mental disorder
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transgendered women brains are extremely similar to cisgendered women. unless you have a brain that is extremely similar to a lizard's, you don't really have a case.
you've made that very clear without any points except 'well i think it's wrong so it is.' which is fine and all, just sort of senseless and close-minded.
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How is it a "serious mental disorder" if becoming transgender is a fulfilling choice for them which enriches their lives?
Imo it's more of a mental disorder to live unlike you want to, always regretful and unhappy.
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i think transgenderism is its own thing. i don't think there's anything wrong with it and whatever is going to make someone happy, as long as it doesn't infringe on my way to be happy, is fine with me. besides, i'd love get nasty with a hot tranny.
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Somebody may physically possess a penis, but they may feel happier playing the role of woman in society, which is subjective and not at the mercy of biological constraints.
For example, in China in the 1900's Peking Opera was prominent and well liked. The two most sought after roles were the female and male lead, except biological females weren't allowed in the opera. Many actors coveted the role of lead female, and had to live their entire lives as woman as a result, learning to embody their every mannerism. Many men found this extremely attractive in the culture as well, and these actors weren't perceived as having a disorder, rather they were applauded for what they had done.
If you physically possess a penis. You are a man. If you feel happier playing the role of a woman, then you are a man who wants to be a woman. It's not like you can just say "oh...I don't want to be a man anymore" and make it a reality. You can try, and you can change your physical appearance and chop your cock off, but that doesn't change the fact that you were born with a penis, as a man, with the ability to impregnate a WOMAN.
Those chinese men, were MEN WHO ACTED LIKE WOMEN! Would you consider those people women? No. Also, those chinese men didn't "become" women because they were confused about who they were...they did it for the opera. Then they liked acting like women so they continued the charade.
Man has a penis. Woman has a vagina. Man has sperm. Woman has eggs. That's how life happens. If you are a dude who thinks he's a chick, then you have something really fucked up happening upstairs.
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transgendered women brains are extremely similar to cisgendered women. unless you have a brain that is extremely similar to a lizard's, you don't really have a case.
you've made that very clear without any points except 'well i think it's wrong so it is.' which is fine and all, just sort of senseless and close-minded.
I don't think it's WRONG. Like I already said I don't have ANY problem with transgendered people. I've explained what I think makes a person a certain gender. I'm not being closed minded either 
well I think I'm a lizard you're telling me that I'm wrong? You're close minded.
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A trapped, transgendered woman can have whatever brain structure he likes. He can't have children, doesn't have a vagina, doesn't have the hormonal balance of a woman's body (including PMS, menopause, and so on)- and is therefore not a woman.
If I transplant a dog's brain into a human, is that human now a dog? I suppose you'd call him a transspecied human?
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transgendered women brains are extremely similar to cisgendered women. unless you have a brain that is extremely similar to a lizard's, you don't really have a case.
you've made that very clear without any points except 'well i think it's wrong so it is.' which is fine and all, just sort of senseless and close-minded.
I don't think it's WRONG. Like I already said I don't have ANY problem with transgendered people. I've explained what I think makes a person a certain gender. I'm not being closed minded either 
well I think I'm a lizard you're telling me that I'm wrong? You're close minded.
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This thread is so full of i cant decide if i should bother writing out a serious reply or not lol. I think il just watch.
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don't, it'll just make you depressed
I don't get depressed.
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transgendered women brains are extremely similar to cisgendered women. unless you have a brain that is extremely similar to a lizard's, you don't really have a case.
you've made that very clear without any points except 'well i think it's wrong so it is.' which is fine and all, just sort of senseless and close-minded.
I don't think it's WRONG. Like I already said I don't have ANY problem with transgendered people. I've explained what I think makes a person a certain gender. I'm not being closed minded either 
well I think I'm a lizard you're telling me that I'm wrong? You're close minded.

FOR FUCKS SAKE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND SARCASM.
Maybe if you would actually reply to what I'm saying instead of facepalming my sarcasm we could have a decent conversation.
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Somebody may physically possess a penis, but they may feel happier playing the role of woman in society, which is subjective and not at the mercy of biological constraints.
For example, in China in the 1900's Peking Opera was prominent and well liked. The two most sought after roles were the female and male lead, except biological females weren't allowed in the opera. Many actors coveted the role of lead female, and had to live their entire lives as woman as a result, learning to embody their every mannerism. Many men found this extremely attractive in the culture as well, and these actors weren't perceived as having a disorder, rather they were applauded for what they had done.
If you physically possess a penis. You are a man. If you feel happier playing the role of a woman, then you are a man who wants to be a woman. It's not like you can just say "oh...I don't want to be a man anymore" and make it a reality. You can try, and you can change your physical appearance and chop your cock off, but that doesn't change the fact that you were born with a penis, as a man, with the ability to impregnate a WOMAN.
Those chinese men, were MEN WHO ACTED LIKE WOMEN! Would you consider those people women? No. Also, those chinese men didn't "become" women because they were confused about who they were...they did it for the opera. Then they liked acting like women so they continued the charade.
Man has a penis. Woman has a vagina. Man has sperm. Woman has eggs. That's how life happens. If you are a dude who thinks he's a chick, then you have something really fucked up happening upstairs.
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transgendered women brains are extremely similar to cisgendered women. unless you have a brain that is extremely similar to a lizard's, you don't really have a case.
you've made that very clear without any points except 'well i think it's wrong so it is.' which is fine and all, just sort of senseless and close-minded.
I don't think it's WRONG. Like I already said I don't have ANY problem with transgendered people. I've explained what I think makes a person a certain gender. I'm not being closed minded either 
well I think I'm a lizard you're telling me that I'm wrong? You're close minded.
The biological fact of your gender is different from society's perception of what it is to be a woman which is subjective.
Furthermore. Many of the actors were confused about who they were. They were usually selected from a young age to play the role of a woman and had little choice in the matter. How is liking the charade of being a woman different from dressing as one and acting as one? By your logic, they would be confused because they are acting as woman outside the stage.
Essentially, yes a penis basically makes somebody a biological male. However, how somebody is supposed to act and dress etc. is based in culture and totally subjective, and not necessarily indicative of a disorder.
There is no "way" people are supposed to act. The biological needs of one age are the constraining baggage of the next. Human beings are extremely complex individual organisms capable of self-awareness. If somebody can thrive as a transsexual, that's a successful mutation.
I agree that many of these dillemas may have their basis in neurology,
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The biological fact of your gender is different from society's perception of what it is to be a woman which is subjective.
Furthermore. Many of the actors were confused about who they were. They were usually selected from a young age to play the role of a woman and had little choice in the matter. How is liking the charade of being a woman different from dressing as one and acting as one? By your logic, they would be confused because they are acting as woman outside the stage.
Essentially, yes a penis basically makes somebody a biological male. However, how somebody is supposed to act and dress etc. is based in culture and totally subjective, and not necessarily indicative of a disorder.
There is no "way" people are supposed to act. The biological needs of one age are the constraining baggage of the next. Human beings are extremely complex individual organisms capable of self-awareness. If somebody can thrive as a transsexual, that's a successful mutation.
I agree that many of these dillemas may have their basis in neurology,
See I don't think that being a man/woman is a subjective thing. I think that it is something that is set into concrete from the day you are born. When you pop outta your mom's vag and the doctor sees your cock, and says "it's a boy!" that's what determines your gender.
If you think you are a woman then, it's just that. You THINK you are a woman. You can dress like one, act like one, have a sex change, etc but you will never be able to undo what mother nature gave you. You always will biologically BE a man.
Again, I don't have any problem with people being transgendered, but I think that this all stems from some type of neurological disorder. I don't think that people should deny who "they" are, or what they feel like...so if you want to be a woman then go ahead and do it, but you will never really "BE" a woman. You will never be able to have a uterus, or produce eggs, or have children or breast feed...you know, things that a woman can do. You can't change your gender, but you can try.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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God, keep saying the same fucking thing over and over again please
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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why don't you just get the fuck out if you aren't gonna contribute
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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cisgendered women can be born without a uterus, cervix or fallopian tubes. obviously they won't be having periods or giving birth to children. hell, women can even be born without vaginas. are they not women?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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I have contributed like 5 or 6 times, each time different than the last
Go read the posts
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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why don't you just get the fuck out if you aren't gonna contribute
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: xwk]
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xwk said: cisgendered women can be born without a uterus, cervix or fallopian tubes. obviously they won't be having periods or giving birth to children. hell, women can even be born without vaginas. are they not women?
they are women who were born without vaginas. that's a crazy birth defect, but they weren't born with cocks.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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propensity said: How is it a "serious mental disorder" if becoming transgender is a fulfilling choice for them which enriches their lives?
Imo it's more of a mental disorder to live unlike you want to, always regretful and unhappy.
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propensity said: Keep living life stuck inside the limitations everyone else has set for you
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Personal choices don't mean shit to me
You, on the other hand, have said the same thing over and over again.
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they are women who were born without vaginas. that's a crazy birth defect, but they weren't born with cocks.
to a transgendered woman, being born with a cock is a 'crazy birth defect.'
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: xwk]
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Let's make this simple.
Merriam-Webster.
male: b : an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a female
A transgendered woman is not a male.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: xwk]
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xwk said: cisgendered women can be born without a uterus, cervix or fallopian tubes. obviously they won't be having periods or giving birth to children. hell, women can even be born without vaginas. are they not women?
they are women who were born without vaginas. that's a crazy birth defect, but they weren't born with cocks.
to a transgendered woman, being born with a cock is a 'crazy birth defect.'
we will never agree. I know what you're saying, and I completely understand the logic behind it, I just absolutely disagree.
Propensity...congrats on posting 4 times. Here's a
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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ifoundwaldo said: Let's make this simple.
Merriam-Webster.
male: b : an individual that produces small usually motile gametes (as spermatozoa or spermatozoids) which fertilize the eggs of a female
A transgendered woman is not a male.
You're saying trannys cant nut?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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Language evolves and changes as society progresses.
It could be argued that this is an archaic definition which needs to be replaced with one more fitting to the times
@Anthony:
You're either retarded or 
You can't refute any of my arguments with anything but "LOL WHY U NO CONTRIBUTE"
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: xwk]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
According to the dictionary... No, they are not.
I believe that a man who has had a vasectomy still produces sperm BTW. As do men with fertility disorders.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
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propensity said: Language evolves and changes as society progresses.
It could be argued that this is an archaic definition which needs to be replaced with one more fitting to the times
@Anthony:
You're either retarded or 
You can't refute any of my arguments with anything but "LOL WHY U NO CONTRIBUTE"
you made arguments?
EDIT: Oh, you asked one question. I just didn't want to give you the time of day to reply, but since you're such a fuckin whiner, I will
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How is it a "serious mental disorder" if becoming transgender is a fulfilling choice for them which enriches their lives? Imo it's more of a mental disorder to live unlike you want to, always regretful and unhappy.
Hey man, I agree. I think that if you feel trapped, or in the wrong body, then you should do whatever the fuck you want!! I never said I had any problem with transgendered people...
When I say mental disorder I don't mean that they are retarded, rather that their brains are just improperly wired. I wouldn't support living in a way that makes you unhappy. My only argument here is that gender isn't determined by what you "think" you are.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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You're pathetic.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
According to the dictionary... No, they are not.
And we all know that the dictionary is the go-to source for defining this world.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: The_Ghost]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
According to the dictionary... No, they are not.
And we all know that the dictionary is the go-to source for defining this world. 
No, but it is the go-to source for unifying the semantics.
The problem here is that Anthony has one definition of "male" and xwk has another.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
According to the dictionary... No, they are not.
And we all know that the dictionary is the go-to source for defining this world. 
No, but it is the go-to source for unifying the semantics.
The problem here is that Anthony has one definition of "male" and xwk has another.
We should settle this with a cock fight.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: ifoundwaldo]
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xwk said: cool, men who don't make sperm aren't male?
what about men who get vasectomies?
men born without testicles?
men with fertility disorders?
According to the dictionary... No, they are not.
I believe that a man who has had a vasectomy still produces sperm BTW. As do men with fertility disorders.
oh yeah, guys with vasectomies still produce sperm.
however there are mannnyyyyy kinds of fertility disorders, such as klinefelters syndrome in which men produce no sperm.
i think this is a good example of how dictionary definitions aren't really all that accurate or sometimes even usable. this is the difference between connotation and denotation.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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You're pathetic.
oooh good argument 
I edited my last post, and LOOK! We agree on something!
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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Even though you've edited your post, nothing has changed
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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alright since you're being such a fuck face, why don't you ask me a question, or propose an argument (cause I couldn't find one you actually made) and I will respectfully reply.
Instead you're just full of facepalms and spineless insults that do nothing but make you look like a bigger tool than you probably are
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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DEAR LORD
You have some reading comprehension problems.
Go back and reread
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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You have some reading comprehension problems.
Go back and reread
Just give up.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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You have some reading comprehension problems.
Go back and reread
I went back and read every post you've made in this thread. The only one that was worth replying to, is one that I already replied to. I don't understand what your deal is dude.
this is the only thing you said that was even formulated as a question
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propensity said: How is it a "serious mental disorder" if becoming transgender is a fulfilling choice for them which enriches their lives?
Imo it's more of a mental disorder to live unlike you want to, always regretful and unhappy.
and I replied to that.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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It could be argued that this (the rigid definitions of male and female) are archaic definitions which needs to be replaced with one more fitting to the times
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propensity said: Language evolves and changes as society progresses.
It could be argued that this (the rigid definitions of male and female) are archaic definitions which needs to be replaced with one more fitting to the times
Perhaps this is true, but I believe that even though language changes, the definition of what makes a man a man and a woman a woman have not changed. I don't think we should base our conclusions off of dictionary definitions, but I firmly believe that if you were born with a penis, in a male body, then you are a man. /end of my argument
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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When I looked at the science behind artificial reproduction it made me think about how gender/sex no longer matters in the future... I don't mind crossdressers/transgender/fetishist at all, our mind is something delicate and if that is the thing that makes you comfortable then go for it. Though I do think the changes by taking hormones for mtf and ftm are quite rough on the body and surgery is taking it to a next level but I don't that's weird . When you look at people who've lost limbs and still have a phantom feeling that it's there then it doesn't suRprise me that people relate to being female or male. You are what you think?
Biologically speaking you are right... no crossdresser/fetishist is truly female but I think that has more to do with the urge to wear female attire then to really feeling feminine. As a woman. Transgenders do FEEL female, you can call it a brain anomaly and classify those people as "fucked up" but I think you're fucked up if you think that about other people... What does it matter? Sex(uality) is something diverse.
Also from my pansexual POV: The Oxford English Dictionary writes that pansexuality "encompasses all kinds of sexuality; not limited or inhibited in sexual choice with regards to gender or practice." Pansexuality can also mean the attraction to a person's personality, rather than their physical appearance or gender
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All I want to know is:
If they can give nice looking fake tits to a small breasted woman... Why the hell do 95% of shemales have fucked up tits?
Fuckin' nipples pointing in different directions and shit... 
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ellenallien said: i just watched a movie, Transamerica from 2005.. it was actually pretty scary  i recomend 
I guy I knew turned down a date with a gorgeous woman because she wanted to see that movie with him. I really resented him for that. I have to watch my tranny movies alone and this guy turns down the chance to watch one with a chick? What a wanker...
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: skatealex2]
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it's just a thang like any other
I know a few transgender individuals, one of whom I thought was kinda hot until I was notified they had a dick (they were in the rain, thin shirt, and they had boobs)
I'm all for people doing what they want to do with their body, but I feel kind of sad for people that feel they really need to remodel their physical form drastically in order to know happiness.
Two of the transgender people I know kind of gave up with a lot of their quest to change physically, and honestly they seemed much happier just accepting what they had and not gulping down massive amounts of hormones/constantly searching for cash for laser depilation
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skatealex2 said: is as normal or close to as heterosexuality or bisexual or homosexual? would you think of a transexual person differently from someone else if they asked to smoke a bowl with you?
im asking with no judgement on my end. just something that popped in my head.

yes it is normal! i swear man the Native Americans had it all figured out. Read an absolutely amazing Anthropology enthnogrophy on various North America Native indian groups nd they were all very accepting of men who dressed/acted like girls and vise versa. They had very awesome myths and stories explaining them and their way of approaching the situation worked soo much better than Westerners approach
if you want ill find and post the article wasnt too long
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im asking with no judgement on my end. just something that popped in my head.

yes it is normal! i swear man the Native Americans had it all figured out. Read an absolutely amazing Anthropology enthnogrophy on various North America Native indian groups nd they were all very accepting of men who dressed/acted like girls and vise versa. They had very awesome myths and stories explaining them and their way of approaching the situation worked soo much better than Westerners approach
if you want ill find and post the article wasnt too long
If it's not too much trouble I'd like to see it.
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mk itwas in the book Annual Editions which is an anthology of the best annueal cultural anthropology work, ill see if i can find it last time i tried to find one it was hard because they dont want it online so you have to buy the book.
for anyone with a spare 35$ I'd HIGHLY recommend this book, 25 or so articles that will blow your mind and change the way you look at the world, class reading can sometimes be boring but readin these articles always really opens my mind and alot of them are extremely hilarious.
--http://www.amazon.com/Annual-Editions-Anthropology-11-12/dp/0078050707<= book
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I'll just have to check out the book then. I was just interested if they thought highly of transexual/gay/bi people. I like the concept of reverence for a person with both male and female charateristics.
EDIT AWESOME! Thanks for the link.
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found it bro it'll answer exactly what your asking!
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It seems like people are desperately trying to use science or the dictionary to validate an attitude of being disrespectful towards people's self-image.
Also, people in this thread are still equating gender with sex. Sex isn't even black or white; Think inter-sexed, partial genetilia, etc. Gender is grey all the way. For instance, at one time it was unacceptable in western society for woman to wear pants. they were considered man clothes. So are all modern woman cross dressers? Back in the 19th century, boys were dressed up as girls up until as late as 6 years old. Pink used to be a boy color, because it stood out as stronger. It is purely cultural if gender is reinforced or relaxed. I personally think having two genders in society is simplistic view reinforced from birth due to elements of the media, cultural shame, religion and a lack of being informed. Only seeing two genders is like only "believing" there is two items on the menu. A lot of this thread is based in faith.
Like stated before, this is really a rallying cry for bigotry, much in the same way perverse scientists will try to figure out a way to make blacks seem inferior. It may be a fact a man has a penis, but anything beyond that is an interpretation of the fact. Yes, a man has a penis, but if that is what makes a male, that is your opinion. If you think a transgender brain is "wired wrong" that is your opinion. Some people in this thread are equating uncommon or rare biological manifestations as "wrong" Nature is not defunct or broken, it just is. Japan had a Tsunami--a rare event, yes, but does that mean our planet is broken?
In the end, it is all about respect. If someone wants to be a societies definition of a girl, i will respect that choice. All the science or religion in the world won't justify you being a deliberate asshole, intentionally using your ego and interpretation to belittle them into what you think is right.
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So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
So if I make body modifications in order to look like, let's say a lion, I should start being treated as belonging to that specie an not as a human??
That's completely nonsense, and science makes even simpler for us, if you have XX you're a woman, if you have XY you are a man, no matter how much silicon you put on your tits/ass/lips, how many surguries you make, how many hormones you take or how many new holes you make on you're body you're not a woman, you naturally don't produce those hormones, you don't menstruate and you'll never be able to get pregnant, you'll just be a woman "wannabe", that's fine with me as long as you let people know you're true gender, because people have the right to know what they are getting into, now comparing this to prejudice is just plane stupid (even a little prejudice by the way).
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So you would really call this foxy girl a man because she has a penis? You got to be kidding me and yourself. How is it different calling a black guy nigger than calling her the exact opposite of everything she clearly intends to be? We all want to be accepted into society, and when people insist on using pronouns that are offensive, it is pure bigotry. How would it be any different if I insisted call you a she?
So if I make body modifications in order to look like, let's say a lion, I should start being treated as belonging to that specie an not as a human??
That's completely nonsense, and science makes even simpler for us, if you have XX you're a woman, if you have XY you are a man, no matter how much silicon you put on your tits/ass/lips, how many surguries you make, how many hormones you take or how many new holes you make on you're body you're not a woman, you naturally don't produce those hormones, you don't menstruate and you'll never be able to get pregnant, you'll just be a woman "wannabe", that's fine with me as long as you let people know you're true gender, because people have the right to know what they are getting into, now comparing this to prejudice is just plane stupid (even a little prejudice by the way).
Gender is not always equal to sex. No matter how many ways you want to put it, she will never have the roll of a man in society, penis or not. We're talking about roles in society here, not naughty bits. So women who can't have babies biologically are women wannabes?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
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yeah... in my definition of girl she can definitely give birth... and has no nuts.
Nature does produce some fucked up pieces (just to say it's not perfect, not referring to this case).
Whatever goes through a transsexual's mind nobody can understand better than him/her, and I think that as long as people respect each other we can live with acceptance but for crying out loud, these people's gender is not what they try to look alike.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
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role in society?? Hum... biologically speaking what is woman's role in society?
Sociologically speaking women have been fighting for the rights to equal opportunities and chances since we are as capable as man to perform them, so what is "the roll of a man in society,"??
A woman who is by any means sterile doesn't cease to be a woman, you probably missed the part were I spoke of XX chromosomes and all that's naturally here since birth.
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pouihi said: yeah... in my definition of girl she can definitely give birth... and has no nuts.
Nature does produce some fucked up pieces (just to say it's not perfect, not referring to this case).
Whatever goes through a transsexual's mind nobody can understand better than him/her, and I think that as long as people respect each other we can live with acceptance but for crying out loud, these people's gender is not what they try to look alike.
So you basically lump sex and gender together; Specifically, you prefer girls with vaginas some people do not care about the genitals, they only care about the gender. get it? Gender is ALL about looks and roles. Gender has nothing to do sex. Nature is not concerned with perfection, it does what it does. If you want to serve respect, transgenders deserve being called whichever pronoun the feel most comfortable as.
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pouihi said: role in society?? Hum... biologically speaking what is woman's role in society?
Sociologically speaking women have been fighting for the rights to equal opportunities and chances since we are as capable as man to perform them, so what is "the roll of a man in society,"??
A woman who is by any means sterile doesn't cease to be a woman, you probably missed the part were I spoke of XX chromosomes and all that's naturally here since birth.
It is a cultural thing that differs from society to society. A role in society isn't necessarily strictly concerned with actions ( for instance women doing the dishes) it can also be concerned with appearance. For instance, in America it is considered manly not to cry in front of other people. Also, men don't wear pink frilly skirts. Men also are expected to pay for the dinner. Roles are all expectations. I think some people LIKE to serve them and some people like to break them. Gender is contrast, and there is a spectrum of contrast between all sexes and genders.
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well chromosomes, and biology are not sex, the fact that I have ovaries, uterus, breasts, female hormones, etc doesn't have to do with sex at all, it has yes to do with nature, and in my nature I am a woman.
If you want to put a skirt and a top, a pair of breasts and cut off your penis (or not) that's up to you and I personally don't have anything to do with it, but it doesn't make you a woman, it's not because you let a man pay you your dinner or cry in public that you are a woman.
For example, you're pregnant, when you go and take an ultra-sound and the doctor asks if you want to know the gender, how does he now it?
As I said... I respect everyone, but I think that respect is specially beautiful when it's mutual, a woman is a woman, a man is man, and a transsexual is a transsexual, and the term is not intended to be offensive to anyone, just to express a gender created in "laboratory", which is naturally non-existent.
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Oh my fucking god.
Not this bullshit again.
Go reread the thread.
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Typical fucking behavior to come into a thread without reading it at all and spout off the same nonsense we have spent 6 pages refuting.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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talk about made ideas, and judging. so now people aren't entitled to have an opinion just because they don't agree with you, get a grip.
"GENDER IS NOT SIMPLY BIOLOGICAL, IT IS CULTURAL AND SUBJECTIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION", do you take yourself for the supreme being that knows everything or are you humble enough to admit that people have opinions, and since we don't live in a dictatorship, have the right to express it and differ from you??
You probably don't know what socially or culturally means, since a female is a female in any specie or in any part of the world and a male is a male, get over it. You may even feel you are an alien in your head, that doesn't make you one.
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http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/HDP1/2000/LectureNotes/williams.pdf
enjoy!
Awesome, thanks for that. I love reading about Native American cultural practices and beliefs.
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http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/HDP1/2000/LectureNotes/williams.pdf
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Awesome, thanks for that. I love reading about Native American cultural practices and beliefs.
Trannys don't bother me. So long as they're a cool person, I'll like them.
Yeah that was a good read
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] 1
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pouihi said: talk about made ideas, and judging. so now people aren't entitled to have an opinion just because they don't agree with you, get a grip.
"GENDER IS NOT SIMPLY BIOLOGICAL, IT IS CULTURAL AND SUBJECTIVE TO YOUR PERSONAL PERCEPTION", do you take yourself for the supreme being that knows everything or are you humble enough to admit that people have opinions, and since we don't live in a dictatorship, have the right to express it and differ from you??
You probably don't know what socially or culturally means, since a female is a female in any specie or in any part of the world and a male is a male, get over it. You may even feel you are an alien in your head, that doesn't make you one.
Derp derp derp repeat the same bullshit again and again
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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ooowwh offended are we?  how nice, when people can't even argue with true words, always a sign of great intelligence and maturity.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi] 2
#14294745 - 04/15/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just bored of reiterating the same points again and again when they have been clearly outlined in this thread about a hundred times
When your opinion is one that attempts to repress how others choose to live their lives, then generally I don't have any qualms about insulting you
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: pouihi]
#14294923 - 04/15/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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pouihi said: well chromosomes, and biology are not sex...
For example, you're pregnant, when you go and take an ultra-sound and the doctor asks if you want to know the gender, how does he now it?
As I said... I respect everyone, but I think that respect is specially beautiful when it's mutual, a woman is a woman, a man is man, and a transsexual is a transsexual, and the term is not intended to be offensive to anyone, just to express a gender created in "laboratory", which is naturally non-existent.
Yes, chromosomes and biology are sex.
The doctor will never be able to tell you the gender of your child, if you don't believe me go ask him/her or learn something about gender and sex.
I wonder if the term negro/nigger was originally intended to be offensive, or rather it was a description of their skin color. I wonder if black people preferred to be called a nigger over say something like... human?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: conan] 3
#14294953 - 04/15/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's a lot of fucking ignorance in this thread, jesus. There's no such thing as "normal," literally everyone is crazy, and no one is in any place to make judgments. There are plenty of people who think those who smoke weed/trip are fucked in the head.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: NetDiver]
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Usually when you call out ignorance you use the Reply to function, so for now I have to assume you have called me ignoramus.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
#14295144 - 04/15/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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propensity said: I'm just bored of reiterating the same points again and again when they have been clearly outlined in this thread about a hundred times
When your opinion is one that attempts to repress how others choose to live their lives, then generally I don't have any qualms about insulting you
dude you are a douche. Nobody, myself included, gives a FUCK if you are transgendered. No one who's posted in this thread has said that they have ANY problem with transgendered individuals. We're simply arguing that there is a difference between actually BEING a man, and pretending to be a man. How is my opinion trying to repress the way someone lives their lives? Because I won't validate them being a male/female? Ugh...
@ Apollyphelion - I completely understand what you're saying about gender being a more "role in society" type of thing, but just cause you play a woman doesn't MAKE you a woman. Maybe I shouldn't have said their brains are wired "wrong" but I was just trying to drive my point across. Their brains are CERTAINLY wired differently than that of heterosexuals, and probably different from homosexuals as well. Not to say there's anything wrong with them, but they are not, as we would define, normal.
The reason a lot of people approach this topic with such hostility is because people are scared of that which is different from them. Let's be honest, trannies are pretty fuckin weird. I've never known any personally, but I can imagine that they're at least a little crazy. I would be too if I thought I was a woman trapped in a mans body. Not passing any judgement, so don't jump on my cock and get all pissed.
Anyway, to separate sex & gender seems silly to me. A man can play the role of a woman in society, but that doesn't make him a woman and he should never be referred to as a woman. Why? Why would you call him a woman? Because he thinks he is a woman and wants to be called one? That's not solid enough grounds for me. IMO if you're born a man, you can't change that.
also propensity, nobody wants to talk to you when all you do is say stupid shit
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
#14295277 - 04/15/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your arbitrary emphasis on semantics is really fucking boring and obnoxious
The definitions for man and woman do not need to be so fucking rigid.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
#14295302 - 04/15/11 12:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm done with this thread though
We are infinitely going in annoying circles
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
#14295319 - 04/15/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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propensity said: Your arbitrary emphasis on semantics is really fucking boring and obnoxious
The definitions for man and woman do not need to be so fucking rigid.

well come on, you're trying to paint this picture of me as an asshole who thinks trannies are just fucked up. You're saying that I am somehow trying to repress who they are as people, and put them down, etc. etc. and that's not true..
I think the definitions for man and woman DO need to be rigid. When the line gets blurred then we have people like you, calling men women, and vice versa.
You are so hostile towards me. Besides I just keep egging you on with my to try and get a response, and it's obviously working. If you would have just been respectful and not repeatedly called me retarded and then maybe this thread would have actually gone somewhere instead of us arguing in circles.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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propensity said: I'm done with this thread though
We are infinitely going in annoying circles
Aren't you going to show us your tits first?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: propensity]
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realfuzzhead said: found it!!!
http://crl.ucsd.edu/~elman/Courses/HDP1/2000/LectureNotes/williams.pdf
enjoy!
Awesome, thanks for that. I love reading about Native American cultural practices and beliefs.
Trannys don't bother me. So long as they're a cool person, I'll like them.
Yeah that was a good read
every ody please read this article, very very good read very mind opening.
And i even more highly suggest you purchase the book (Annuak Edition 11-12) its an anthology of the best Cultural Anthropological work of the last year or so,ABSOLUTELY AMAZING STUFF. BEST READING I HAVE EVER DONE FOR ANY ONE OF MY CLASSES. WILL BLOW YOUR MIND OUT OF THE FUCKING WATER.
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she looks like a girl, acts like a girl, but just so happens to have a dick. plain and simple.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Hakim0777]
#14295539 - 04/15/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah but its the way they treat these people compared to the Western approach to treating these people that was the main point of the article. It shows in Western society its only a problem because we make it a problem
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
#14295724 - 04/15/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anthony917 said: When the line gets blurred then we have people like you, calling men women, and vice versa.
Oh no! 
Wait a second, who gives a shit? Are you so insecure in your gender that you'll have some sort of identity crisis if someone calls you a woman?
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: NetDiver]
#14296136 - 04/15/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anthony917 said: When the line gets blurred then we have people like you, calling men women, and vice versa.
Oh no! 
Wait a second, who gives a shit? Are you so insecure in your gender that you'll have some sort of identity crisis if someone calls you a woman? 
I don't really give care if you call them one thing or another but it's the actual belief that this person IS the other gender that is ridiculous to me.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Anthony917]
#14296190 - 04/15/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did read the whole thread propensity, so dont start crying about my post.
I think I summarized this thread and it is alot of bullshit semantics.
But to sum it up better,
A woman is someone who has the organs capable of creating a baby in a womb with sperm from a male. How they look and whether they work or not isn't an issue. The body attempted to create the design that would allow for sperm to fertilize an egg in a womb and ejecting a baby.
A male is someone who has the organs capable of producing sperm.(like that wonderful definition someone pointed out earlier) How they look and wether they work or not isn't an issue. The body attempted to create the organ design that would allow for sperm production so that males can inject sperm into a vagina and fertilize an egg.
That means for those idiots who want to bring up birth defects or disorders limiting those should come to realize that the body attempted to create the design that would allow it to create sperm or accept sperm to fertilize eggs.
There are two possible organ designs that a human can have, one allows for sperm production, the other allows for egg production and accepting sperm to create offspring.
The way you think is irrelevant. The way your body was designed is completely relevant. If you were born with a setup thats supposed to create sperm, you are still a male. If your body can process sperm and fertilize an egg being held in your womb, then guess what, you are a female! But just because your setup doesn't work as intended doesn't change what you are.
Societies roles have nothing to do with this. My interpretation of your gender is irrelevant. How your portray yourself is irrelevant. How your body works is relevant to determine what you are.
So if you act and think like a woman(or think you act and think like a woman) then go ahead and do it. Be happy. Express yourself. But when it comes down to what you are, if you can fertilize eggs(or your setup was built to fertilize eggs and cant, you are still a male.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: todesengel]
#14296496 - 04/15/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the definitions for man and woman DO need to be rigid.
I worked in Newborn Intensive Care. About one baby in 5000 is born with ambiguous genitalia. Some have normal genetics, but genitals develop incorrectly or for the wrong gender.
First question people ask when you have a baby- "boy or girl?" It's just not that simple.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Doc_T]
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I keep on seeing the basic penis equals man and vagina equals woman point being made. To me the brain/mind determines who a person is more than the body does. A person born with thickbody hair that makes them look like a monkey is still a human, they have a human mind. A feminine/female mind in a body with a penis is still a feminine person. A masculine/male mind in a body without a penis is still a masculine person.
To me, a woman born infertile is still a woman and an infertile man is still a man. Neither can fill the traditional biological roles of their gender but they are still that gender.
It also doesn't make sense to see something different as "unatural" or "fucked up".
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you are a fucking retard. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman Yes...it really is that simple.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: demon66]
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demon66 said: you are a fucking retard. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman Yes...it really is that simple.
Acknowledging that there are other ways to view the subject and appreciating diversity makes me a retard? I'm happy to be a retard then. How is the view that the person's mind/brain determines who they are any less simple than your view?
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It actually is pretty simple when it comes to classification. By the way, ALL hermaphrodites are males. It's a genetics thing. It's all about the Y-Chromosome.
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demon66 said: you are a fucking retard. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman Yes...it really is that simple.
Acknowledging that there are other ways to view the subject and appreciating diversity makes me a retard? I'm happy to be a retard then. How is the view that the person's mind/brain determines who they are any less simple than your view?
Could be mental illness, Could be hormone imbalance, Could be genetic defect. Yeah I got to go with the If it has a dick = male, vage = female.
I understand that there's probably a grey area between man and woman but there's also a definite bold line.
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No. XX = female, XY = male.
It's not about the penis.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Doc_T]
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yeah.... I would never make friends or hang out with a fucking tranny... Shame on them.... wacked up psychos....
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: demon66]
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demon66 said: you are a fucking retard. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman Yes...it really is that simple.
I read somewhere that most people are hemaphorditic but just at varying degrees. gender and sex are two different things.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Hakim0777]
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demon66 said: you are a fucking retard. Penis = Man Vagina = Woman Yes...it really is that simple.
I read somewhere that most people are hemaphorditic but just at varying degrees. gender and sex are two different things.
so no, its not that simple.
1 in 500 males. But Only 1 in 1000 males show any signs.
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: yessir]
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holy shit wrong thread!
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: owls]
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Re: do you think transexuality [Re: Kid_Orgo]
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this likely has been pointed out, but six pages into this thread I've gotten tired of reading:
Those who are making the genetic argument for gender must not be aware of severe androgen insensitivity, which was mentioned by someone at the beginning of this article but wasn't explained.
I *think* that Jamie Lee Curtis is an example of a woman with a Y chromosome; she's XY. Even if this is just a rumor about Jamie Lee, there are women out there with an XY sex chromosome makeup. Due to an extreme insensitivity to androgens (testosterone, essentially), despite their chromosomes, they develop in utero and as they age as mostly biologically normal women, although they are infertile and tend to entirely lack certain internal reproductive organs - or in the rare cases where these organs are present they tend to be significantly underdeveloped. These individuals are genetically male, and they even have androgens circulating in their blood; simple blood tests reveal significant levels of testosterone in their bloodstreams. It seems to me that this throws a bigass monkeywrench into arguments that attempt to define gender in terms of genetics or hormone levels.
I'm not a geneticist (well, at least my knowledge about genetics is concentrated in other areas), nor am I an endocrinologist, and this is all from memory, but I think it's at least mostly correct. I appreciate any posts pointing out my mistakes.
As for everything else that's been brought up, it seems other people have done a fine job of saying everything I'd say, so I'll spare everyone the redundancy and merely say that gender and - especially - sexuality do not conform to the rigid categories we try to fit them neatly into with language. This thread serves as an excellent example of the limitations of language, as well as how language tends to force an amount of rigidity on the ideas that words represent - which becomes especially apparent when discussing a topic with as many ambiguities as this one.
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