BANANA.MAN said:

Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

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all these words like homophobe, sexist, racist and the two most important these days transphobe and Islamophobia are just used to claim the moral high ground and make people who you disagree with look like a bad person. its for people who dont have facts so they use their feelings as arguments.
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It can be beneficial to not to get hung up on the terminology used,
focus on the underlying tactics
the words used will change with time and scenario, the approach will not

Your highlighting of Islamophobia is particularly valuable to consider,
as 'Islamophobia' is technically in contrast to the others
and it is possible to get into a situation where someone brands you Islamophobic
for pointing out that particular Islamic values may be homophobic, sexist, or transphobic

unless you get worried about feeling too much like an asshole
for judging Islamists for what they view as sinful

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trying to make someone look like a bad person is the underlying tactic. those words are the way they implement that tactic. those words are literally the only way that tactic is implemented as far as I can tell. what else am i supposed to say?

if you're pro life you are sexist

if you are christian you are homophobic

if you show statistics on what percentage of Muslims in the west support sharia law, think homosexuality is unacceptable,  think suicide bombings are sometimes or often justified or hate people of other religions then you're Islamophobic. https://fanghornforest.wordpress.com/hate-facts/

thats literally what people do. like exactly what they do. what am i supposed to say if i dont mention terminology? they call you names which devalue your character. thats literally exactly what the do.
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djbluntmagic said:

These are the people that need your friendship the most

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This is so true! ^

Defriending someone because they hold messed up views leads to even more alienation and hate. It sounds cliché but you can't fight hate with more hate, where's the love?? Communication is the best thing you can do for these types. With the recent trump thing in the news it seems like everyone is defriending everyone for their views on things.

Fennario said:

I don't know, do any of you gay shroomery dudes feel strange around flaming gay guys?

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KetaCaine said:

skatealex2 said:

KetaCaine said:

Society is full of such fucking pussies these days. Brainwashed by PC faggots into believing that being PC is the only acceptable point of view. Fuck that bullshit

If every gay person died, earth would be much better off

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What's PC about consenting guys into guys? That's natural. Are you religious or something?  Do you like lesbians?

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That's natural? LOL

I can see you don't want to be taken seriously

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How is it not natural? Homosexuality has been documented in the animal kingdom so I'm just wondering why you don't think it is.

Canadian Jesus said:

Fennario said:

I don't know, do any of you gay shroomery dudes feel strange around flaming gay guys?

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Yes, this bothers me a bit, I do get uncomfortable around the 'flamer' types. I just don't like hearing about guys getting dicks in their asses or jizz in their mouths. I don't even really like hearing girls talk like that. My sister had a friend like this that I met at a bonfire. He was there with his boyfriend and wouldn't stop going on about how gay he was. Even his boyfriend looked and acted uncomfortable. I didn't say anything because he was smoking me up with a lot of good weed.

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CookieCrumbs said:

I don't tend to like flaming gays. For whatever reason the more effeminate someone tries to act the more they tend to be that behind the back judgemental shit talker type I mentioned earlier.

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CookieCrumbs said:

I don't tend to like flaming gays. For whatever reason the more effeminate someone tries to act the more they tend to be that behind the back judgemental shit talker type I mentioned earlier.

It's like people that try to act feminine somehow pull out the worst traits associated with it. Fragility, attention seeking, excessive gossip... Other stuff I don't like associated with girly girls. The worst is the people that come into this late or under false circumstances tend not to balance it out and work it with some semblance of grace like natural girly girls and girly guys do. I only ever notice this in people who adopt a feminine ego, or accept their feminine ego and not understand that accepting and embracing does not mean trying extra hard to fit that ego.


I've not noticed this with people who try to act super masculine. At most they come up stubborn and sometimes hot headed. But then maybe that's some underlying remnant of some thousand years of male dominant culture. Association of attitudes mannerisms and traits and somehow acting feminine means being annoying and being masculine means trying to be somewhat respectable.

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Crystal G said:

People who adopt a super masculine personality are also just as bad, just in a different way. Machismo is not a very good thing, it's the sort of thing that's associated with low conscientiousness, violent crimes, and sexism. Machismo is the sort of shit that gets people killed over dumb arguments.

Ever notice that people who embody the biggest stereotypes of their gender tend to not be very bright? Think of the dumb jock or dumb cheerleader trope. I do think there's something to it.

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psi said:

An acquaintance of mine from a nude beach is this really flamboyant gay guy, and I can't help thinking that his voice and persona seem kind of put-on. Nice enough guy, but it's just hard to relate to someone normally when they seem to be putting on this act.

Maybe that accent/persona do just come naturally for some people though, I don't know. I remember this one kid from grade school who had similar mannerisms and I don't think he was intentionally emulating that stereotype.

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I had a guy friend in early middle school, 6th grade when we were 11 or so, that was harassed constantly for being gay. He was pretty feminine, his hips would sway as he walked, his voice had that soft lisp and higher pitch, and he was attracted to pretty things. He was a dude all the way though, star wars, sword fighting, zombie shooting.

In high school when he finally admitted he was attracted to dudes he started shaving his legs and wearing make up, pink make up, and emphasized the higher pitch of his voice.

That's kind of what I meant by accepting one's femininity and going too far with it. Some people are more inclined to be like that but we all tend to push forward what we want to be seen as.


And I'm fine with that. We all wear a mask.
What bothers me is the negatives that come with it.

"Ugh I hate people that wear the same jacket every day."
"dude... I wear the same jacket every day."
"oh well that's different because you're Cookie."


Hardly a bad person but there was so many times I wanted to knock that boy on his ass.

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

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abltsandwich said:

Machismo is how real men get by in the real world.  Men gotta act like men or they get left behind, beat down, and they don't get half the pussy.  The strongest guys attract the best and most hot chicks.  Think of the trope where the dumb jock gets the hot girl.  I do think there's something to it.

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This is kind of an awkward post for me to make, but what the hell

had identified as a girl prior to high school,
and was finally afforded freedom to dress and express myself as such in high school
but, at that time, and particularly in such a small town,
was strictly referred to as a faggot, a sissyboy, and an assortment of things to devalue men
rather than acknowledged as a girl, even by those that would treat me with respect

Used to hook up with a handful of 'the popular girls'
and, at one point, was hooking up with the main base cheerleader from an opposing school
she was dating, and continued dating, the star of the school wrestling team
and would even make fun of him behind his back
to the point that one of her friends later started pursuing me
because she had heard that "the girly boy" was better hung than any of the jocks


Was involved with her through to after high school
but she eventually joined the Army and ended up in a relationship with someone of the same rank as her
she still flirted with me when going back to visit years later and crash at her place while passing through town
but decided that, since she had indicated he treated her much better,
it was not a good idea to risk screwing up their relationship

In general, such girls were quite nasty towards their boyfriends in private
and when asked why they stayed with someone they hated,
they typically quite resented them for a number of reasons,
but stuck with them due to social status

certainly do not think this is the sole reason for such relationships tho
as there was still a number of popular girls in my school who were just as vicious towards myself
as their boyfriends were
but they would also target my female friends
whom their boyfriends would never speak an ill word of

so dunno, just some various angles to look at the issue from