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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
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For instance, certain professions include a duty to report crimes if necessary to stop them from occurring.  Your example is one such duty that certain people have.  Not a general duty, though.  A therapist might have a duty to report child abuse, for instance. 

Still, it's important to remember that for the general public, there is no duty to call the police and report a crime.  There is also no duty to help someone who is in danger.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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(hypothetical)

Sandusky's wife can know all about what goes on. Even leave the house knowing that Jerry is gonna be having some young boys over for pizza and sex. She could even allow Jerry to use her card and automobile to order the pizza and condoms, and pick up the boys. Could the law touch her?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
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amp244 said:
Enlil said:
Bigbadwooof said:
I don't know if it is illegal to be aware of a crime, and not blow the whistle,

Not generally.  There are certain rare instances where that's different, but none would apply here.



What would be an instance where it would apply? Having knowledge of the sexual victimization of a minor and neglecting to protect that minor by alerting authorities, seems like it would be walking that line...


It's not her duty to protect the minor. She's not that child's guardian, and in some countries 16 years old is the age of consent anyway. Shit, in WA state 16 year olds can legally fuck anyone 16+.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
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amp244 said:
(hypothetical)

Sandusky's wife can know all about what goes on. Even leave the house knowing that Jerry is gonna be having some young boys over for pizza and sex. She could even allow Jerry to use her card and automobile to order the pizza and condoms, and pick up the boys. Could the law touch her?


Now that sounds like aiding and abetting.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
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amp244 said:
(hypothetical)

Sandusky's wife can know all about what goes on. Even leave the house knowing that Jerry is gonna be having some young boys over for pizza and sex. She could even allow Jerry to use her card and automobile to order the pizza and condoms, and pick up the boys. Could the law touch her?


If she picks up the kids or gives him the card WITH THE INTENTION OF HELPING HIM commit the crime, she's guilty of the crime the same way he is.

In SOME STATES, if she picks up the kids or gives him the card WITH THE KNOWLEDGE that he is going to commit the crime, she's guilty the same way he is. 

The difference between those two isn't huge, but it does make a difference depending on the state.

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
For instance, certain professions include a duty to report crimes if necessary to stop them from occurring.  Your example is one such duty that certain people have.  Not a general duty, though.  A therapist might have a duty to report child abuse, for instance. 

Still, it's important to remember that for the general public, there is no duty to call the police and report a crime.  There is also no duty to help someone who is in danger.


In New York, apparently, the police don't even have a duty to report a crime, or help someone in danger:

http://nypost.com/2013/01/27/city-says-cops-had-no-duty-to-protect-subway-hero-who-subdued-killer/


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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That's true throughout the nation.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That's true throughout the nation.


It's a police officer's duty to ensure that laws are being upheld, correct? As far as I am aware, they are an arm of the executive branch.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Job duty, maybe.  Not a legal duty to you though.  In other words, you can't sue the police for not doing their job.  If you are being assraped while a cop watches as he eats a donut, sux2bu.  You can't sue them for that.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Job duty, maybe.  Not a legal duty to you though.  In other words, you can't sue the police for not doing their job.  If you are being assraped while a cop watches as he eats a donut, sux2bu.  You can't sue them for that.


I see... and in New York, police can get away with not doing their job, and still collect a pension.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Teamsters can, too.  Welcome to the wonderful world of collective bargaining.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Teamsters can, too.  Welcome to the wonderful world of collective bargaining.


The benefits far outweigh the negatives, though the Teamsters probably aren't the finest example of that.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Meh, the benefits are for a very few.  The negatives ripple out to many people.  On balance, it does more harm than good.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
Meh, the benefits are for a very few.  The negatives ripple out to many people.  On balance, it does more harm than good.


The benefits of collective bargaining far outweigh the negatives. You are confused. The fact that fewer and fewer workers participate in collective bargaining, is one of the leading causes of the decline of the American middle class.


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FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.
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Edited by Bigbadwooof (03/30/17 04:52 PM)

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Curious to see what this may lead to. 

Obama Aide Evelyn Farkas Squeals Live On MSNBC: I Helped Spy On Trump For Obama 

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I'm not confused.  Collective bargaining has killed education in the U.S.  It's got a stranglehold on the entertainment industry.  Everyone suffers from the evils of collective bargaining.  Only a few benefit.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil] * 2
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Enlil said:
I'm not confused.  Collective bargaining has killed education in the U.S.  It's got a stranglehold on the entertainment industry.  Everyone suffers from the evils of collective bargaining.  Only a few benefit.


Collective bargaining has killed education in the US? Now you've got my attention. Care to elaborate?

Almost everyone would benefit from collective bargaining if everyone participated in collective bargaining. If you were a tradesperson you would probably see this issue quite differently, as every skilled laborer I know does.

If you're not a member of a trade union, you can expect to make roughly half the wages. The lost wages for the worker benefit the few. I know you find it noble to preserve the Waltons of the world, but most of us are far more concerned with the employee.

Tell me, what is evil about leveling the playing field between employee and employer? Collective bargaining is the reason Capitalism hasn't crumbled thus far, and if people can't do it through unions, they will do it through government, via the minimum wage.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Collective bargaining in schools has created a system where teachers cannot be fired even for egregious violations.  Incompetent teachers are sent to holding areas where they report for work and read all day because they are too bad to be teaching but too protected to be fired.

This is true all over the country.

It's not just in primary school either. Universities all over the country have similar problems. 

As a result of collective bargaining, teachers benefit at the expense of students.  That's a reality. 

Your argument about trade unions is inapposite.  I'm not anti-union per se.  Trade unions perform a very valuable function, ie. the legitimization of skilled workers and exclusion of the unskilled.  That means something to the general public because it says that a particular worker is considered by his peers to be competent.  If that means he commands a higher salary, so be it. 

Collective bargaining doesn't always level the playing field.  When a bad teacher can't be fired just for being a bad teacher, that field is anything but level.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Enlil said:
Meh, the benefits are for a very few.  The negatives ripple out to many people.  On balance, it does more harm than good.


The benefits of collective bargaining far outweigh the negatives. You are confused. The fact that fewer and fewer workers participate in collective bargaining, is one of the leading causes of the decline of the American middle class.


There's clear evidence of this.  I know this is an old chart, but it speaks volumes to the power of collective bargaining:



Enlil said:
Collective bargaining in schools has created a system where teachers cannot be fired even for egregious violations. 

As a result of collective bargaining, teachers benefit at the expense of students.  That's a reality.


I don't know if you realize it, but you've just proven wooof's point beyond a reasonable doubt.  :shrug:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (03/30/17 08:38 PM)

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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One teacher benefits.  Thirty students suffer.  If that proved his point, his point is ridiculous.


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