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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: spock] * 1
    #23529598 - 08/10/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.




ISIS is trying to build an radical islamic empire. They aren't going to get much  support in Israel. It makes sense that they are in Islamic countries.

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I just want to know where the intelligence is coming from, and how are they defeating these national armies. I also want to know why Israel, or the U.S., have not destroyed them. The fact that ISIS interests are aligning with U.S. interests, is a red flag at the very least. When ISIS does attack the west, it is some ridiculous mass murder spree where the guy states he's from ISIS and he is here to murder everybody. Can anybody else hear the war drums beating?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Enlil]
    #23529609 - 08/10/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lmao, I will. I don't think most internet users give a shit though, tbh.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #23529622 - 08/10/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just want to know where the intelligence is coming from, and how are they defeating these national armies. I also want to know why Israel, or the U.S., have not destroyed them. The fact that ISIS interests are aligning with U.S. interests, is a red flag at the very least. When ISIS does attack the west, it is some ridiculous mass murder spree where the guy states he's from ISIS and he is here to murder everybody. Can anybody else hear the war drums beating?




I believe that vast majority of 'ISIS' attacks in the West are from 'homegrown terrorists', and not ISIS fighters sent to blow up shopping malls.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244]
    #23529624 - 08/10/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Oh yeah I'm sure, Libya is split into like 6 factions right now, they can't do shit. They're as ineffective as the syrians and the iraqis, and there's hardly any smidgen of activity as far as supposed NATO air assistance of daesh in Libya.



I'm talking about when Gaddafi was in power. The country used to be the wealthiest in Africa, up until Gaddafi decided to try to unite Africa with an universal, gold-backed currency, challenging western hegemony. That was it, next thing you know, Gadhafi is "gasing" his own citizens, Nato needs to get involved, and Al Qaeda is leading a "revolution".

In 1967 Gaddafi took control over one of the poorest countries in Africa. When he was beaten and shot to death by savages, Libya was the wealthiest country in Africa. If you were a Bernie Sanders supporter, you would have undoubtedly been a Muammar Gaddafi supporter. He had all types of socialist state administered programs to distribute wealth directly to the people. Libyans had the highest quality of life in Africa before they went in and assassinated Gaddafi. Now Libya is as you described above, tattered and secularized. http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-from-africas-richest-state-under-gaddafi-to-failed-state-after-nato-intervention/5408740

Here is Gaddafi driving through Tripoli in April 2011,

Looks like Libya was a fucking wasteland, right?

I get choked up everytime I even think about his death footage, and those psychopaths dragging him around and beating him ruthlessly. Way to go Obama, mission accomplished, you impoverished an entire country and relegated them to a state of violence and fear.



Sure I agree with most of that (though I take a slightly more grey view of whether or not much of what he did was actually completely benevolent or not...) my earlier post outlined why they were targeted... and it wasn't because Ghaddafi was trying to do things to improve his regional geopolitical grasp, or running a moderately successful socialist state. Though the gold standard thing etc. does play into it. Libya was torn apart because it was generally non-compliant with the US. And that's the sad fact... you can basically do whatever you want as long as you make key concessions to the US. If you do not - well someone hawklike - like say Clinton has the reigns, and all the sudden you might find that what would've been a insignificant uprising gets prodded into a full blown regime change.

As we all know the state department/CIA actions in that period were rather short sighted - I don't think daesh was an intended effect as much as a gross miscalculation fueled by gross negligence. And when the state department moved out of Clinton's hands... who effectively strong armed Obama throughout that whole period.. they were left holding their dicks not knowing what the fuck to do...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #23529656 - 08/10/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.




The World will not tolerate an attack on Israel.



Why is that? What does Israel do for the world? What were the circumstances that brought modern Israel into existence? Why do we pander to Israel's desire to control the holy land and turn a blind eye to the inhumane treatment of the previous inhabitants? Tell me why we give (2015 figures) Israel $10.2 million per day in military aid? Who are they fighting that requires $3.7billion worth of foreign aid per year to handle? Remember, the Palestinians have aks and rpgs, the Israelis have command and control, cruise missiles, fighter jets, drones, etc. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

Could that $3.7 billion be spent more prudently elsewhere? Or are we getting our money's worth with Israel?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244] * 2
    #23529665 - 08/10/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey, I'm not pulling some numerology bull shit or anything, I'm just asking why ISIS is only running around affecting regime change in countries where such change is in the interest of the U.S. and allies? Why are ISIS's protracted military operations occurring in Islamic nations, at the expense of Islamic blood, if they purportedly hate Christians and Jews so much? The Golan Heights is right there, but they seem too preoccupied destabilizing countries whose leaders we want to remove.




The World will not tolerate an attack on Israel.



Why is that? What does Israel do for the world? What were the circumstances that brought modern Israel into existence? Why do we pander to Israel's desire to control the holy land and turn a blind eye to the inhumane treatment of the previous inhabitants? Tell me why we give (2015 figures) Israel $10.2 million per day in military aid? Who are they fighting that requires $3.7billion worth of foreign aid per year to handle? Remember, the Palestinians have aks and rpgs, the Israelis have command and control, cruise missiles, fighter jets, drones, etc. http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

Could that $3.7 billion be spent more prudently elsewhere? Or are we getting our money's worth with Israel?




I say we spend it at home, and fuck Israel. If we stop funding Israel, they may strike a legitimate peace deal.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529703 - 08/10/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And if not, theyll lose the land by force which they acquired by force.

Either might makes right or it doesnt.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23529718 - 08/10/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And if not, theyll lose the land by force which they acquired by force.

Either might makes right or it doesn't.




Yep. If we stopped providing them aid, they would still have everything we've built for them. That would last for some time. In the meantime, they could make negotiations. I'm sure I am not well-read enough on the situation to make a more in-depth analysis of how best to proceed, but the way we're going about things is not comfortable for me.

It is pretty clear that, while the American people in general care very little about foreign affairs, our government acts on our behalf, spending our money, throughout the world in ways that we have no control over and no desire to be involved with. That has to stop. I hate to sound like a nationalist, but we really ought to focus our efforts on reviving our homeland, if the well-being of the American people were even on the agenda.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23529742 - 08/10/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not even that Israel needs our money... we just pay certain countries to influence their affairs. :shrug: What's better leverage to use against individuals in power than "If you do/don't do this - we will pull our billions of dollars in aide" - No politician or man in power wants to be the guy who just lost their country 4 billion $ in aid. Be it an Israeli or a Pakistani.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
    #23529801 - 08/10/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not even that Israel needs our money... we just pay certain countries to influence their affairs. :shrug: What's better leverage to use against individuals in power than "If you do/don't do this - we will pull our billions of dollars in aide" - No politician or man in power wants to be the guy who just lost their country 4 billion $ in aid. Be it an Israeli or a Pakistani.




All you need is clever PR spin to handle that.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529833 - 08/10/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

On which end? It's not the public response that someone who just cost their country 4 billion $ has to worry about - it's the internal government response.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead]
    #23529837 - 08/10/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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On which end? It's not the public response that someone who just cost their country 4 billion $ has to worry about - it's the internal government response.




I think both are factors.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23529862 - 08/10/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sure, a public grilling helps no one - but the institution holds the keys to ones job. They're the difference between say a cop getting paid leave for a murder - or getting thrown in prison for 10  years.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: twighead] * 1
    #23530090 - 08/11/16 01:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



Damn, Comey getting grilled!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23535877 - 08/12/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Russia is a huge threat. They have a large espionage program and they are not afraid to use it.

Nukes

They want to take us down and have the means to do it.

Iran is a large annoying Piss Ant.



I can assure you that Russia has nothing on the US in terms of espionage capabilities.  And our nukes are a threat to Russia as well.




Lol... Nobody.. Not a single fucking country, and no coalition of countries stands a fucking chance in HELL against America. Russia and China together couldn't fuck with America. It's what we do.

I don't consider America to be the 'Greatest country in the world', but there is no doubt that America is the greatest military force in human history. In fact, even if America falls, I doubt there will be another military power that can equal our current capabilities for at least another hundred years.

If we wanted to, we could obliterate ISIS, and accomplish all of those things we claim to be doing in the middle east. America is not interested in doing those things.



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Douglas Howard]
    #23578484 - 08/26/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Russia is a huge threat. They have a large espionage program and they are not afraid to use it.

Nukes

They want to take us down and have the means to do it.

Iran is a large annoying Piss Ant.



I can assure you that Russia has nothing on the US in terms of espionage capabilities.  And our nukes are a threat to Russia as well.




Lol... Nobody.. Not a single fucking country, and no coalition of countries stands a fucking chance in HELL against America. Russia and China together couldn't fuck with America. It's what we do.

I don't consider America to be the 'Greatest country in the world', but there is no doubt that America is the greatest military force in human history. In fact, even if America falls, I doubt there will be another military power that can equal our current capabilities for at least another hundred years.

If we wanted to, we could obliterate ISIS, and accomplish all of those things we claim to be doing in the middle east. America is not interested in doing those things.



Words of Wisdom.




So what if we could 'obliterate' ISIS .

They have already defeat us, we don't have the will to fight them and even if we did are we up for the next group, the group after that...? Radical Muslims are not going to be bombed into extinction.

We broke it, but at this point muslims/arabs are going to have to fit it. Until then the American Military Industrial Complex will gladly churn out weapons to meet their needs.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: sweeper54]
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Douglas Howard] * 1
    #23588368 - 08/28/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So is there any particular part you would like to highlight? I'm not really into watching 40 minutes of Fox news...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23588397 - 08/28/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is what doug does, throws shit against the wall trying to make something stick.


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