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Offlinesunshine
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Does anyone here have perma-ego death?
    #23965980 - 12/29/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I tried with high doses.  I found they make my ego stronger, because I am a lone gunman on the high plains and no one can rock my world.  I think the best way to achieve ego death would to take a lot of LSD over a long period of time.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: sunshine]
    #23966190 - 12/29/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

why would you want perma ego death? you need a little ego to function in the world. Just let it become transparent.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23966230 - 12/29/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

If anyone did, they wouldn't be on the site because they couldn't use a computer.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: healing]
    #23966265 - 12/29/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No, but I can act really, really boring if I need to fake it. :cool:


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: psychedelicliz]
    #23966429 - 12/29/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No such thing as ego death just as how there is no level 5 trip


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23966450 - 12/29/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Level 5 trips backfire.  I'm telling you.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: sunshine]
    #23966537 - 12/29/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Egodeath on mushrooms to me just refers to the point at which the effects are so strong that you no longer have any conscious control over your own mind and are so totally overrun by mindfuck that you in some sense cease to be as you lose all control over your own mind. A state of kindof mental whiteout. Obviously you wouldn't be able to function meaningfully in such a state any more than someone in a coma.


Edited by nooneman (12/29/16 08:17 PM)


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: sunshine]
    #23966916 - 12/29/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

As long as you are living you are going to have an ego, psychedelics only temporarily decrease activity in the brain region responsible for sense of self.

The point of ego death isn't to rid yourself of the ego it's to show you/remind you that you HAVE one and that it's simply a mechanism put there for survival.


Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/29/16 10:16 PM)


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: AuroraBorealis88] * 1
    #23967008 - 12/29/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

:micdrop:


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23967105 - 12/30/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Have you tried meditation? I could get in a similar state akin to psychedelics, but more at will and generally longer lasting. I don't want to say ego death because that has a lot of muksha around it, but that feeling of oneness, a merging with the other, a deep level of empathy and understanding, general insight, etc. It also came with the same set of downsides as psychedelics I found though and can take a lot of practice to get anywhere, but it can be well worth it.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23967196 - 12/30/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Krypto, glad to see you outside the chemistry forum :smile: what are your methods for meditating? I've tried but my mind is just so active it's very hard.


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These are the pale deaths which men miscall there lives.
All this I cannot bear to witness any longer.
Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?
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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23967254 - 12/30/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
No such thing as ego death just as how there is no level 5 trip




agree


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23967258 - 12/30/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Have you tried meditation? I could get in a similar state akin to psychedelics, but more at will and generally longer lasting. I don't want to say ego death because that has a lot of muksha around it, but that feeling of oneness, a merging with the other, a deep level of empathy and understanding, general insight, etc. It also came with the same set of downsides as psychedelics I found though and can take a lot of practice to get anywhere, but it can be well worth it.




I am very close to one of the few grand master in QI gong and meditation, just breathe, sounds easy, would be the first and only step.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: Plazmotech]
    #23967260 - 12/30/16 03:19 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I once took what i thought was a pretty average dose of fresh mushrooms and as the trip deepened, I completely forgot who i was - couldn't remember my name or anything else about myself. I sat on the edge of my bed asking over and over, 'Who am I? Who am I?? Where am I? What am i doing here? Who am I??'. I felt like the mushroom was playing with me tho - teaching me about my ego which perhaps wasn't completely dead as there was some concern over my state. If the ego died and the body went with then fair enough, but what we are doing here is killing the ego and leaving the body fully functioning which i believe causes a disharmony and some concern - if not from the ego then from the soul, which remains firmly planted in this 3D reality, unprotected by the ego. If anything, the experience reminded me of being a newborn. I've never experienced the same thing again neither on higher or lower doses. It's worth noting however, that there was no way i could function as a normal human being in that state. I've seen psychiatric patients in similar states too and it doesn't look good - they look very scared and confused.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: MushroomBilly]
    #23967272 - 12/30/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

don't do drugs kids, you may get stuck in the trip forever


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: MushroomBilly]
    #23967274 - 12/30/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just thinking about this since my last post and it's got me wondering about what part the body plays in all of this. We know the body and mind are extrinsically linked, so when we take away the ego from the mind (hypothetically speaking, as we don't know if this is even possible) are there still nevertheless memories and emotions stored in the muscles, tissues and bones of the body? I hear about people having functional deep massages (Rolfing etc) and laughing out loud or crying uncontrollably when certain muscle are worked on. So this comes back to the same point - we may be able to shut down the ego to some extent with these drugs, but whilst the body is still functioning, there must still be some sense of self...


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: DualWieldRake]
    #23967276 - 12/30/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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DualWieldRake said:
don't do drugs kids, you may get stuck in the trip forever




I know, i know. But the mushroom is just so enticing - it has so much to offer - it's like forbidden fruit.


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: MushroomBilly] * 1
    #23967288 - 12/30/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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MushroomBilly said:
Quote:

DualWieldRake said:
don't do drugs kids, you may get stuck in the trip forever




I know, i know. But the mushroom is just so enticing - it has so much to offer - it's like forbidden fruit.




Pretty sure he's kidding. You cant get stuck in a trip. As your body metabolizes the psilocin the trip goes away.


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These are the pale deaths which men miscall there lives.
All this I cannot bear to witness any longer.
Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home?
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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: Plazmotech]
    #23967292 - 12/30/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Plazmotech said:
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MushroomBilly said:
Quote:

DualWieldRake said:
don't do drugs kids, you may get stuck in the trip forever




I know, i know. But the mushroom is just so enticing - it has so much to offer - it's like forbidden fruit.




Pretty sure he's kidding. You cant get stuck in a trip. As your body metabolizes the psilocin the trip goes away.




I was a little tongue in cheek myself there :thumbup:

Everyone's heard a rumour of some guy who never returned tho ... :eek:


Edited by MushroomBilly (12/30/16 04:11 AM)


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Re: Does anyone here have perma-ego death? [Re: MushroomBilly] * 2
    #23967313 - 12/30/16 04:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So there is ego self and Self. Self (capital) is absolute and is Who everything and everyone returns to when the egoic identity is forgotten, generally through constant attention to it (self-inquiry). Ultimately the egoic identity is not real so focusing on it means you begin to identify, instead, with the Witness of the non-existent ego.

Ha...

So I mean language fails us, but I tried.

Anyway ego loss is achievable and permanent, but I doubt God can be permanently realised by abusing your brain with a molecule, you might get other powers from that, such as heightened perception and interconnectedness in the brain leading to higher consciousness, but you won't permanently fall into God. I think this comes through Divine Grace after long austerities, though sometimes spontaneously. We are too abused as children by abused parents and an infantile society to just fall into God naturally. In this age...

The bliss can be lost by generating negativity but once the ego is revealed as an illusion, there is a subtle sense of nothingness. You encapsulate your experience of self/body/mind/world (all the same thing) as the Witness.

So yeah.

Have a nice day, you will. :yoda2:


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