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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5649384 - 05/19/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Just up the dosage - then you will have no option -
Remember that some writers dont actually consider ego-loss to be of the value that Tim Leary did - Im quite sure Terence McKenna was one of them??


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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5649648 - 05/19/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I haven't had it but I don't really want it at this point either...a lot of ppl consider egoloss to be a negative and scary experience

EDIT: since I haven't had egodeath I can't say this for sure but I would imagine that u would lose ability to benefit from the experience since I would imagine u aren't REALLY conscious...just running on autopilot...I could be wrong tho


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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5649730 - 05/19/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I've been reading up on admixtures a lot lately. It seems like when people dose a little Syrian Rue (1.5-3g) it isnt unusual to have death/dying experiences.

I differentiate this a little from the type of "ego death" that might refered to in mysticism, etc.


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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5651750 - 05/19/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: ]
    #5652237 - 05/20/06 02:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I mean you can read what Tim Leary says in the psychedelic experience online, and he makes it out that the run up to ego death for everyone is the same.

"You are now entering the 3rd Bardo", when really as alot of fellows here have said, they drift in and out, or their ego just flies off, without all the mega drama that Leary talks about.

Whats strange is that on high dose I.V. DMT it seems that you don't have the whole "reprogramming and choose your new personality" after ego death but instead get whisked off to galaxy 69 and meet the mercury ball transforming aliens :S


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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5652425 - 05/20/06 06:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I guess for every one is different, DMT sends me to galaxy 69 with out experiencing ego death, basically I perceive everything almost in my normal state of being.
But when I experience ego death with shrooms, Lobo dies and My higher ”I” emerges, the one that” has been and always will be"
I have experience this many times usually, like some posters said you just "go"
I but in a few occasions I have experience the "ego death" at a slow pace going thru all the phases, where finally I had to make the conscience decision to let go and "die".
All I can say is rough process, but the teaching you get out of it totally worth it.
I feel the experience is like a practice run, for the day I leave this world for real.
Hopefully the day it happens I won't be so unprepared.
It is only a rough experience if we resist it.


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Re: Inability to allow Ego Death [Re: ]
    #5652730 - 05/20/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ego death for me was the exact opposite of what I was expecting, and it's possible your expectations and safeguards are holding you back. Reading some Descartes may give you the inspiration you need. Worked for me, and I have a similar attitude towards tripping, but ultimately the way you experience reality is such a personal thing that you probably need to find your own muse.


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Ego death...not really possible? [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5667457 - 05/24/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I too experience tremendous difficulty with facing ego-death.

Actually, the metaphysical horror of the impending total annihilation
seems to near impossible to endure.

But this might have to do with the assertion of many 'gurus' who actually claim that there never really was an ego. It is supposed to be nothing else than a 'cleverly thought up' illusion.

After englightenment this is suddenly crystal-clear (for nobody...)

So an illusion cannot really die - as it never really was alive in the first place!

This is called advaita (non-duality)
I have collected some of the best works here:
www.ultrafeel.tv/advaita.htm


What I especially experience very often is that I basically turn into 'yin and yang' and 'our' problem is: How can I life with myself?!
(I = ying)
(Myself = yang)

This appears to be something like an 'inverse ego-death...
It feels that after the yin-yang-fusion there also won't be anything anymore, hell, the whole universe, every plant, tree, animal, human, me and you will then just...ah...melt into...

yeah, what will happen after this cosmic big-bang-fusion?

This is what I experienced in some journeys lately...I probably have some tendency for giantism...

thanks for listening!
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Re: Ego death...not really possible? [Re: ultrafeel]
    #5667754 - 05/24/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no so much for the origional poster but just to get the idea out there.  when it comes to psychedelics i am pro-life :smile:.  i feel that psychedelics should be consumed for the sake of strengthening and wisening the ego.  the ego is the part of self that makes life... life, otherwise we'd just be dead poeple or spiritual beings in some sort of perfect energy matrix or whatever.  you'll have plenty of time to leave your ego behind, you WON'T have plenty of time to enjoy and have other poeple enjoy your current personality if you don't respect your personal individuality. 

i don't feel like i'm finding the right words for what i'm trying to convey.

my spiritual role models are the mythic taoist immortal sages.  they didn't get to the point of having universal power and immortality by... melting backwards into pre-life, they refined and distilled the elements of individual being to the point of merging with the infinite, not dissolving into it but creating containers for it so the infinite could come down and be equal to and the same as this limited exsistence.

i feel like i'm failing here.  a quick summation would be i advocate not trying to get rid of your ego games, be always trying to take your ego games to the next level.


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Re: Ego death...not really possible? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #5667783 - 05/24/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

It seems to me however, that experiencing ego death could be very valuable in our every day individual perception of the world. Not a state to live in permanently.


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