Syk0s3s said:

I don't know about you guys, but my life went to shit when I experienced ego death.

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where is the ego rebirth in this picture?

just curious.

did you not have such an experience?

AlteredAgain said:

Syk0s3s said:

I don't know about you guys, but my life went to shit when I experienced ego death.

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where is the ego rebirth in this picture?

just curious.

did you not have one?

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Wiccan_Seeker said:

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Stanislav Grof said:
...total annihilation on all imaginable levels - physical destruction, emotional disaster, intellectual and philosophical defeat, ultimate moral faulure, and absolute damnation of transcendental proportions. This experience of ego death seems to entail an instant merciless destruction of all previous reference points in the life of the individual.

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That is ego death, and its ten times more horrible than it sounds. It is the worst ordeal you can possibly face. The subsequent rebirth however, is one where you are changed forever

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Kaniz said:
STRONG trips, where the sense of self/time/identiy/reality/body/etc simply cease to exist. There is a conciousness, but there is no "I" to it - simply being. Just pureness. Its hard to fully define, as I mostly remeber the point leading upto it, and the point directly after it - but the actual 'loss' itself is pretty much impossible to remeber except a sensation of being home, pureness and love.
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I dont have a concept of self, or time, or body, or anything - just simply 'there'. There is no I to my thoughts, there is no body, and I am actually alarmed once the sense of identiy returns "Oh, I'm a me? wow - thats odd. Whered that come from? oh, whats this weird feeling I'm starting to form? oh, thats my body laying on my bed' as I start to re-form into reality.
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But, I've never felt afraid, or scared, or terror, I can sense it comming, I accept that its comming, I relax and let go - and have always enjoyed the expierence.

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This is ego loss.

The difference is that with Ego loss you are so at peace that your ego falls asleep like a baby whereas with Ego death your Ego is chased through a field of broken glass by a gang of psychopath gremlins who will catch him and bludgeon it into a bloody pulp with claw hammers.

Ego Death is one single phase that can easily span twenty or thirty trips with uniquely horrible features. Once you had it to its fullest it will never return. Ever. Ego Loss can happen at any time in a trip.

I'm scared shitless of Ego Death, having been through several sequelae and knowing there will be many more.

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Would that be considered the rebirth process?

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i believe it can.

remember that fundamentally, birth and death are only relatives: one cannot exist without the other and the other cannot exist without the one.

if you feel that you are undergoing a process of dying then, when you sense that all is well again, you are back in the process of living.

same goes for something so simple as waking up and going to sleep at night.

you die and are born every single day, in your very own bed.

but we forget this sometimes, for our minds are always turning and spinning, trying to catch the next bus or train, always living for the future.

there are two meditations you can do that can help you tremendously.

First, in the night before you go to sleep, do this fifteen minute meditation. It is a death meditation. Lie down and relax your body. Just feel like dying and that you cannot move your body because you are dead. Create the feeling that you are disappearing from the body. Immerse yourself totally. Eventually you shall fall asleep.

Next, in the morning, the moment you feel you are awake - don't open your eyes - do the life mediation. Feel that you are becoming more wholly alive, that life is coming back and the whole body is full of vitality and energy. Start moving, swaying in the bed with eyes closed. Just feel that life is flowing in you. Feel that the body has a great flowing energy - just the opposite of the death meditation. With the life meditation you cant take deep breaths. Just feel very happy and alive. Then after fifteen minutes, get up.

Over about a week of doing these meditations one can become more aware and accepting of the basic subtleties of living and dying which happen every day, every hour, every minute, and every split and nano second.