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HermeticBrahman
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People Living Fictions 1
#23694219 - 09/30/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My current train of thought is that consciousness is not inhabited within the physical vehicle of the brain or body however it is beyond any reasonable doubt that the brain is some kind of mechanistic vehicle that conduits consciousness. Evidence shows if certain networks of the brain are damaged or destroyed then it follows a person is, at least externally and objectively (as subjective conscious experience other than ones own cannot be proven) diminished. We also know other neural networks in the gut and heart contribute the living experience of a conscious entity by physical mechanisms and that if action potentials cease in a neural network and there is no more activity a conscious entity ceases to be in any currently measurable sense. So I formulate my first point that synapses, neural networks and the brain do affect who one is and consciousness in some way even if largely misunderstood.
My second notion is that these neural networks form over time as an organism develops. ** side thought i just had perhaps all matter is conscious but a certain set of conditions in a network need to be met for that to be actualised*** After all we all start as gametes and im assuming are now entities with a multitude more of matter assimilated into the coding of our DNA and with more of certain quantities, weight, volume, charge. As we develop our neural networks form according to several factors: a) The way our currently active DNA codes for. b) according to our environment and experiences. c) (a subset of b) according to DNA code switched on or off due to experiences or environment.
So two assertions. The way neural networks operate affects conscious experience and that experience will constitute what reality is for us (as anecdotally anyone who has experienced drugs may attest to) and Neural networks form.
Some additional meaning to bits of language that might help me explain the next bit: DNA works to proliferate expressions of itself conducive to its proliferation and growth, this applies to physical phenotypes as much as it does those of the psyche of an organism e.g. being focused on fractal mathematics and such versus being focused on getting by, the task at hand, hunting and fucking - one is better suited to survival, one is arguably truer to reality is as the universe is just mathematical geometry running itself and the sea a mountain or a galaxy does not care about you eating or fucking or finding firewood . Life works to combat Entropy.
Our Neural networks form while we are young; when we are placed in school first. Here we are taught that adults are different conscious entities to ourselves. They know something we do not and reality makes sense to them; they have got it figured and know better. We are taught to sit down behind a desk, listen to an authority figure, we are taught to have regimented breaks, eat when told to, how to form social groups, what social hierarchy should be based upon, how to move to the chime of a bell, that certain behaviours expressions and feelings deserve chastisement. We are taught that there is a certainty to life and a way of things and that there is comfort and "right-ness" in being that. Our neural networks form rigid connections in our brain based around the repetitions of these behaviours engraining them in our experience so they may be transposed and ruminated in other contexts so as they may become us. As an academic idea this means one thing but to learn and embody that who you thought you were, your feelings of pleasure and pain everything real to you was just a byproduct of that particular vehicle for your consciousness being your brain is a difficult concept.
Let me explain another idea; The only reality that exists is subjective. We can calibrate each others subjective experiences with things like language or science for example we can both decide on a sound we can make with our face to associate with a certain meaning to convey data, we can both divide 3d space into metres and both agree that if we multiply the speed of an object by the time it takes to travel a distance we get a value for that distance in a set of numbers where we have agreed to use "0" as a reference point and split at regular intervals with different symbols and noises we use to represent data - A very clever system when broken down. However we can never know if anothers experience is truly the same. the easiest way to conceptualise this is with the words we use for colour for example we both use the noise red to calibrate our visual colour senses as all common objects of the same colour will be the same in each of our subjective realities we can agree upon this. However whats to say that what i see as green isnt your red and vice versa, there is no way of knowing. This shows that this physical realm of reality which we occupy is actually a simulation by consciousness using our brain and senses. Light hits your eye, it travels down your optical nerve you generate an image, you filter a lot out, you call on memories of previous data and the image presented to "you" consciousness may not even reflect reality but it has been simulated by your hardware, the same for every other sense. In a way everbody is schisophrenic as youre never really talking to someone else, just interpreting sound data, classing it as coming from this body your visually sensing of another person with a name who you will have more data on in memory to interpret inflection or references in the sound etc and youre then taking all of that and presinting it as an experience of reality (im saying you but i mean the meat organs) to consciousness the observer. Reality is a simulation - no not in that sense of the geometric mathematical computer; though it probably is. but your experience what you think this physical world is etc is just being simulated by your meat organs and presented to you the observer. but this is a crazy concept which ive probably butchered and deserves its own book!
So our neural networks are formed in schools and institutes and this physically changes what reality is or ever can be to us versus what it might have been. These weird behaviours are then reinforced by high school and University which is even stranger as students are integrated into consumption and cities whilst still turning up to sit down to the chime of a bell or based on how far a clock hand has spun around a circle defining imaginary blocks of time and this becomes reality for people after which they get a job which is much the same. a job they have been conditioned for their whole lives.
It is my belief most people in the western world are unhappy, confused and unfulfilled looking for connection. Life is this crazy thing and they dont understand why they have to turn up everyday to sit in a brick cube behind a wooden rectangle and illuminated electrical rectangle waiting for their lunch hour or weekend and all just to afford a brick cube of their own to sit in and watch an electrical box none of which makes them happy then to make children passing on their dna and making sure their child goes to school all day etc etc repeating the cycle.
Most people are unfulfilled by living this way, angry, tense, confused. but they cannot see past it and cannot imagine or would snigger at the suggestion of living another way.
I thought I had a point when I started writing this but by the end id just like to know peoples thoughts on what the hell i just wrote?
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DividedQuantum
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HermeticBrahman said: It is my belief most people in the western world are unhappy, confused and unfulfilled looking for connection. Life is this crazy thing and they dont understand why they have to turn up everyday to sit in a brick cube behind a wooden rectangle and illuminated electrical rectangle waiting for their lunch hour or weekend and all just to afford a brick cube of their own to sit in and watch an electrical box none of which makes them happy then to make children passing on their dna and making sure their child goes to school all day etc etc repeating the cycle.
Most people are unfulfilled by living this way, angry, tense, confused. but they cannot see past it and cannot imagine or would snigger at the suggestion of living another way.
I fully agree with this. Modern society is in many ways severely dysfunctional, especially at taking care of human needs. I too think that most people aren't very happy. Many of them may think they are when they're actually not.
The only way the world ever changes is when people change their minds. If people become accustomed to the idea of living a different way, chances are it will happen over time. But I don't expect radical change for Western society, as it seems to be, among other things, an economic impossibility. That and those at the top of the pyramid, who possess astronomical influence, are deeply interested in maintaining some semblance of the status quo.
Also, to your point about reality being a simulation, I agree with that, too. I personally see reality as a four-dimensional hologram being projected from the boundary of spacetime. HOWever, we really have to treat people as real. We may be made of programming, but the behavior of the program as it evolves is effectively real.
Nice post, btw.
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Leviticus969



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Yeah life certainly is a test or simulation if you will. Ultimately, it comes down to each individual. Life is a test given and we can ask around what the answers to the test are but ultimately, it's up to the individual to make a conscious choice between what's true or false, right or wrong.
The creator of this test made it so that we can't cheat, a brilliant fool proof design for no cheating. People can tell you true or they can tell you false but we can never really know for sure and that's because we have to OURSELVES STUDY for the test. This takes living life to learn from our own experiences.
A naive child learning how to walk will see life extremely different from a wise old man that can't walk anymore.
The simulation is based on the individual but at the same time everybody is affected as a class.
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HermeticBrahman
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Ive not thought deeply about that yet, interesting ideas though to explore.
Im aware of perennial philosophy and that many of the origin religions for example the egyptians story of your "heart" or choices in life being weighted on the scales against the feather of truth in the ultimate reality after you die and as I view all these religions as attempts by someone like myself to describe this knowledge that people like us seek and develop I guess the idea must come from someones vision or experience.
A very interesting thought indeed, im not sure how it settles with me the idea of life being a test.
Only once when meditating on marijuana did I have the vision that my concepts of "right and wrong" were imperfect human constructs and that there was a middle path, a truly "holy" or pure path to be walked through life and it was beyond human squabble
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BrendanFlock
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Scottish fiction through a York right..is indeed a rite..of the Freemasonry..which is Freemasons who want and have to belittle you about the commerce in your region..or otherwise Business..and this relates to Scottish York as a main frame of a Device..which is what an Eternal Fraternity like Freemasons want for you..and from there you can say that you are part of the their business, and that they are part of your Business...This is like asking the Devil to tell a Joke..which would be implied by the very means of him thinking of one..and then becoming one..or otherwise Adam..so when you know what your name is..you can begin to live as a fiction..but all the other people will have to be in their correct spot as well..and so that's space...vs the coming cosm..which is your noble and inherent rite to authorize someone in and out of your life..so the final objective is to not need to fight over rites..but go with the flow..and then you can start surmising the amount of energy that is required for your story..and that's the meaning of love..which lends itself in multi colored ratio..in and out of black..which is lack..and of light or white..which is fruition..all things come out of darkness because we have infinite potential..but its only in the light that people seem rite..so we sew the seems,, or seeds of renewal..each time we come to Freemasonry..and in their and of there we have a need and a duty..and that indeed is our story on broadcast..in sheep of a havel..or otherwise anvil...which is the creation made by a smith..or other wise a myth..I am Zeus..in a chamber maiden, made for honor of the season..and freely decorates wheat as a chamber..and then made to smoke out of this good chamber..the 4th and 20th lesson..is about marijuana..always wonder how it will effect your life..and the story that you are telling as you are in deed being..and experiencing..if you can write it down ..then it can be called a story..and that's living fictionally!
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quinn
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lol
first, welcome.
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i am not sure how you go from the impossibility of knowing another's experience to reality being a simulation?
i generally agree with you that reality is made up of subjects conferring with each other through language about what is or isnt there.. as a child you might see a large purple monster slithering after you from room to room, but as others cannot verify it even if it were there you would learn to ignore it, block it out until it becomes a part of the scenery, an ancient relic of your past of little significance.
reality is something that we learn through socialisation imo. we learn what is important, what to pay attention to and how we ought to do it. because we are complex and there are many cultures/subcultures there are many kinds of realities we can become a part of/create for ourselves & others. as a general rule we all ought to respect the differences of those from realities we dont understand.
because reality is made out of human agreement, there are certain things that are more ubiquitous than others. physical things are the easiest to agree upon because we can make suppositions about them, compare them, manipulate them and test them in a way that can easily be shared and reproduced with many other people. and that is where science and empiricism grows from.
other things like taste is more difficult to agree on because it is drawn from what we have learnt. what foods and flavours and garb is normal and attractive.
morality is even further removed and harder to agree on because it relates to the relationships between humans. these are not fixed and often some benefit at the expense of others. so there is dissent and we can imagine humans being organised in completely different ways.
now i seem to have gone on a tangent..
...but to me that is roughly how reality works. i am not sure how simulation fits into that? or trying to resolve the materialist/idealist divide. the brain is a physical object which we can test and learn about. our conscious reality created through socialisation is there before we can learn anything about the physical object the brain, and although the physical brain can verify many things about how our minds function, so can investigations into other areas as well
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