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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Veritas]
    #8492912 - 06/06/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Infusion of PEA increased extracellular levels of dopamine[2] while at the same time inhibiting DA neuron firings.[3][4] It also modulates noradrenergic transmission.[5] It has GABAergic antagonism.[6]

Low levels are found in ADHD[7] and often in depression, while levels are elevated in schizophrenia.[8] This is associated with low dopamine in ADHD and depression and high dopamine in schizophrenia.
-Wiki

The stuff as a food additive is...  Divisive.  Not so much when its naturally occurring.  I know I'm absolutely COOKOO for Cocoa PuffsTM.  Anybody else...??:uptosomething:


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Veritas]
    #8494565 - 06/06/08 11:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Veritas said:
You might want to check up on dopamine on a website which is not selling "supplements."  Dopamine

The experience which many call "love" is, in fact, the chemical high more accurately called "infatuation" or Limerance.

The chemicals responsible for limerance are PEA (phenylethylamine), dopamine and norepinephrine. Theoretically, if one were deficient in one or more of these chemicals, it would be difficult or impossible to experience infatuation.

In my experience, love is quite different from infatuation.  The choice to be loving is volitional, and involves a connection to another being which will continue regardless of circumstances.  It has little or nothing to do with their personality, career, hobbies, compatibility or cute butt.  :grin:





I had that one coming...it was more the train of thought that I was referring to...but yes, I admit shifty, especially for pedantic taste.
Fair enough.

Thanks for the links.:thumbup:

So, love we experience different types of "love" one more accurately called infatuation. Yep...nothing new there.
So what is this other love, unconditional "which will continue regardless of circumstances" is this not chemical, and if it is...chemical and physical can it not be deficient?
If it is beyond our minds and bodies, what is love?

Curiously as a side note, I have been unable to find a very accurate antonym for the word "empathy"...all that I can rustle up seems to be for "sympathy"
Do you know what it would be? One word is what I am after, not a definition.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8494616 - 06/06/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

empathy

compassion??


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #8494651 - 06/06/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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backfromthedead said:
empathy

compassion??




is that meant as an antonym?

what about indifference?

Hm not convinced.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8494659 - 06/06/08 11:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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figmentfragment said:
Quote:

backfromthedead said:
empathy

compassion??




is that meant as an antonym?

what about indifference?

Hm not convinced.




Shit.  Antonym...  Missed that.  Apologies.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8494770 - 06/06/08 11:57 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

:sip: all good.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8494977 - 06/07/08 01:02 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I don't understand 'unconditional' love either.
It means, even if the other hurts himself or others, let him do but love him ? Like Jesus said, don't love the sin, but love the sinner ?
Of course, everybody has to learn from ones' mistakes, but what if those mistakes were fatal ? Is it unconditional love to let the other one die by his mistakes ? Yes, that sounds like indifference and not like 'love'.
Love has to do with attention, caring, truth and health imho.
So maybe unconditional love also is a form of 'false' love, because it accepts lies and hurting, for example, which imho are the opposite to love and so produce 'unfullfilled' love as cause of evil :sun:


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #8496888 - 06/07/08 05:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry BlueCoyote I don't know who I shall reply this to, so I will just let it reply to the last.

Does anyone know more about this topic?

Is is possible for a human to be unable to feel and express love, any sort of love or empathy for another person (in a chemical neurological sense.)

Veritas aptly pointed out my errors and added some interesting details, but sidestepped the actual question at the same time.

The most I have been able to find is concerning sociopath disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder...

If a person can not feel love or empathy or sympathy even, for another person or animal...then what would stop this person committing all types of evil acts????

okay I am just bugging out now. I will stop.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
    #8497326 - 06/07/08 08:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

So what is this other love, unconditional "which will continue regardless of circumstances" is this not chemical, and if it is...chemical and physical can it not be deficient?

Since we are chemical as bodies then you could say it is chemical. An example of  deficiency where love was not possible would be death.:lol:

My personal belief is that unconditional love is the only definition of love that makes any real sense. Anything else I would term addiction or attachment.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
    #8497355 - 06/07/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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[Since we are chemical as bodies then you could say it is chemical. An example of  deficiency where love was not possible would be death.:lol:





:wetself:

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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
    #8497370 - 06/07/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I have yet to see any evidence of unconditional love.


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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8497379 - 06/07/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

It's a benchmark similar to living the warriors way.


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