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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: nubious]
#8467223 - 05/31/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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>>>>1. Perhaps because the sympathy provides the temporary satisfaction of being loved, they instinctively persue the 'here and now' love as opposed to the 'unconditional' love?
I think the part of the story that was left out, was where Adam started feeling sick after eating the fruit and passed out in the woods. Eve kept on truckin' and sympathy is a cry out for a man. What she needs to do is head out in the woods, find Adam, and wake his ass up. No one can take his place. There's a component of love in sympathy, but half full, half empty, same difference.
3. It's all Eve's fault.
Dirty bitch.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8467367 - 05/31/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean, if our (or world's) love would be fulfilled, one would be happy what is, and what is to come. Maybe unfulfilled love is the cause of desire ? And suffering is another word for evil ?
Love I see in a very wide spectrum, not only, but primarily what we feel and make of it, but indeed I widen its meaning onto everything existing.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8467486 - 05/31/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree. I can see everything as an act of love. Eve was trying to impress Adam, and Adam was trying to impress Eve. In fact, Eve is still trying to impress Adam. She's gonna conquer the world, and then go find Adam. He'll be so proud of her...
>>Though lovers be lost love shall not
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Rahz]
#8467725 - 05/31/08 03:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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And the snake? Who was he in love with?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
#8468388 - 05/31/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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It may have already been brought up but I think a clear definition should be presented for this conversation.
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Rahz
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
#8469026 - 05/31/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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>>>>And the snake? Who was he in love with?
Who or what is the snake?
Kundalini, it seems to me. It may Snake up through the body (tree), and it's from "down below".
The snake loves everyone, but not everyone likes the snake enough to hang out and make friends with it.
Three's company.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Rahz]
#8472570 - 06/01/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You know, the snake in the garden of eden.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
#8472803 - 06/01/08 10:16 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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>>>>You know, the snake in the garden of eden.
That is the snake I'm referring to.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Rahz]
#8472816 - 06/01/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry, I had a brain fart.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8483183 - 06/04/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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perhaps evil stems from ignorance? perhaps a lack of love leads to ignorance? perhaps ignorance is not realizing the love thats always there if you want it?
perhaps
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8488234 - 06/05/08 12:41 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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And greed, overpowered ego importance, (emotional) addiction, physical feedings are used to compensate that 'lack' which exists by 'unfulfilled' love, which I also call 'false' love. This in itself can become a circle of addiction.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
#8488436 - 06/05/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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No theres definately not enough love in the world. What were stuck in is a materialistic ratrace all wanting a bigger piece of cheese thinking its what we need to be happy and complete, but that doesnt work at all. I hope one day the whole world will wake up and be conscious.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8490615 - 06/05/08 10:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think unfulfilled love is the main cause for evil in the world. If you think of people as cups of love, then what you are saying is that having a cup that isn't full makes you a victim. Instead of accepting responsibility for themselves, people make themselves into victims or even victimizers. No one ever said life would be easy, and everyone finds out that their only real responsibility to themselves as loving human beings is to constantly fill their own cup so that it overflows. If you want to be loved you have to be love.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: backfromthedead]
#8491444 - 06/06/08 02:18 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
backfromthedead said: You are this cosmic consciousness you only think otherwise!
Dude, this is not enough. I have a drive to turn it on the immediate world around me. Ignoring reality is not the way, friend.
"Don't keep searching for truth, simply let go of your beliefs" Buddha
This is Bullshit, imo.
Agreed.
"There is a flaw with words, they always force us to feel enlightened, but when we turn around to face the world they always fail us and we end up facing the world as we always have, without enlightenment" -- Carlos Castaneda. it's ironic that I quoted this quote based on the context.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Icelander]
#8491542 - 06/06/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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BlueCoyote said: I want this concept to be regarded as simple as possible, as I just stumbled in recent times about that question. I think it's quite tricky, as love is tricky itself (like it can change from false to true love and vice versa). Or how love can be seen in animal or plant life. Or evil as a subjectively relative concept as well. Is it worth breaking this concept/hypothesis down ?
What do you think ?
Restart fresh again, not from old texts but from ourselves being here and now ?
Early on nurturing and love are mucho importanto for peaceful human relations IMO.
yet...I do wonder; is "nurture" (as in nature vs nurture) always the main component behind sociopathic characteristics, Narcissistic personality disorder, general antisocial behaviour?
So then; an idea I find curious, and rather perplexing is not just "unfulfilled love" but inability to love, empathise or generally identify with others.
Does anyone find it possible, that aside from the nurture theory, that a human could lack the ability to love?
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
#8492189 - 06/06/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Naturally ? I don't think that one could be born with this disability. Even heavy mentally disabled persons 'normally' show an urge of/for love.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
#8492255 - 06/06/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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'...that a human could lack the ability to love?'
Does everybody deserve love. Or are they just here for the taking.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#8492299 - 06/06/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Naturally ? I don't think that one could be born with this disability. Even heavy mentally disabled persons 'normally' show an urge of/for love.
I am not so convinced that love is always "natural" to feel, and taken for granted by those that do feel it.
This is the tree I am barking up...;)http://www.supplements4brainrelief.com/neurotransmitters.htm
"Dopamine: Anhedonia - No pleasure, world looks colorless, inability to "love", no remorse about personal behavior"
Although this is assuming that our perception of love is based in chemical reactions...
I see this as a contender for "evil in the world", beyond unfulfilled love, to love that just isn't there to begin with...
Perhaps I just feel particularly pessimistic right now.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: figmentfragment]
#8492854 - 06/06/08 02:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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You might want to check up on dopamine on a website which is not selling "supplements." Dopamine
The experience which many call "love" is, in fact, the chemical high more accurately called "infatuation" or Limerance.
The chemicals responsible for limerance are PEA (phenylethylamine), dopamine and norepinephrine. Theoretically, if one were deficient in one or more of these chemicals, it would be difficult or impossible to experience infatuation.
In my experience, love is quite different from infatuation. The choice to be loving is volitional, and involves a connection to another being which will continue regardless of circumstances. It has little or nothing to do with their personality, career, hobbies, compatibility or cute butt.
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Re: Unfulfilled love as main cause for evil in the world ? [Re: Veritas]
#8492876 - 06/06/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like Limerancks.
A young man became infatuated 'Cuz his dopamine levels down-regulated
She is such a dream When my norepinephrine
Has my brain fully saturated.
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