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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Asante]
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I was with you until you mentioned clairvoyance. I can see how the shamanic treatment of some scizophrenics can be more helpful than the Western treatment in terms of helping them to cope with the symptoms of their pathology in a way leads to positive interpretations of misperceptions rather than negative interpretations of them. But I have not seen any evidence that schizophrenics or shamans or anyone really has the ability to see the future or any other kind of supernatural ability. I'd like it if you shared some with me.

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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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I have no objective empirical evidence. I have however seen way too much personally to not consider it, and as you know finding lost objects and predicting the availability of herds of animals typically were shamanic tasks. That wouldnt be so if they were unreliable.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: morrowasted]
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some intelligent people who have it but are high functioning might get a creative edge though, definitely not a supernatural ability like clairvoyance, but i do think in some cases it could be considered enhanced ability, with a lot of possible negative though. :shrug:

its funny a lot of mental disorders do have some positive kick backs, like OCD, it can sometimes manifest itself into an incredible work ethic because of your obsession with minor details.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
That wouldnt be so if they were unreliable.


a lot people think homeopathics are reliable.

But thats not anything i have experience with so i cant judge on if it is reliable aha.:justdontknow:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: SleepyE]
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What if there are actual, tangible clues preceding events and some people are more susceptible to picking those up?

Its to do with the fabric of reality, and so does psychosis.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Asante] * 1
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my experience with any sort of "shamanic visions of the future" is that you get a bunch of bullshit that doesnt come true, and a few that actually do. mainly because you have actual capability to achieve what you "envisioned" on the things that come true, so in my eyes its more like a tool to set a goals by dreaming and manifesting it into reality through hard work. If its realistic.


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Edited by SleepyE (10/25/15 09:26 AM)

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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions]
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LiquidVisions said:
Malcolm_Xtasy said:
Runs through anxiety? What does that even mean?

I really thought op was gonna present a good argument for this absurd theory. But instead all I got was, "bro wouldn't it be like so cool to be a kid and have schizophrenia? You can talk to fairies and shit."

Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness that destroys the quality of life for a majority of the individuals that are diagnosed


Only in western societies is Schizophrenia said to be this severe mental illness and that means that there is something wrong with this society. To have schizophrenia means to have a super mega mind. You can create your own visual and auditory information. As a child wouldn't you love being in your own imaginary world instead of watching spongebob? Think about it. Get on my level.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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making assertions with no explanation is not going to prove your point.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: morrowasted] * 2
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morrowasted said:
I was with you until you mentioned clairvoyance.


Same here. I agree though on the point that any possible advantage is probably going to be best understood by looking at a tribal/social context, rather than the "individual vs the world" kind of thing people often think of when they conceptualize survival of the fittest.

Rather than clairvoyance I'd go with "outside the box" thinking as a possible advantage. Same general idea though minus the supernatural element: the person might be able to provide some useful ideas that nobody else in the group was likely to come up with.

Edited by psi (10/25/15 10:43 AM)

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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: psi] * 2
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Then I'm glad clairvoyance was the last word of the post :sun:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Asante]
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http://io9.com/the-most-popular-antidepressants-are-based-on-a-theory-1686163236
The Myth Of The Chemical Imbalance Theory

There is no question that the chemical imbalance theory has spurred chemists to invent new anti-depressants, or that these anti-depressants have been shown to work; but proof that low serotonin is to blame for depression – and that boosting serotonin levels is the key to its treatment – has eluded researchers.

The Most Popular Antidepressants Are Based On An Outdated Theory [UPDATED]
For starters, it is impossible to directly measure brain serotonin levels in humans. You can’t sample human brain tissue without also destroying it. A crude work-around involves measuring levels of a serotonin metabolite, 5-HIAA, in cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), which can only be obtained with a spinal tap. A handful of studies from the 1980s (like this one) found slightly decreased 5-HIAA in the CSF of depressed and suicidal patients, while later studies have produced conflicting results on whether SSRIs lower or raise CSF levels of 5-HIAA. These studies are all circumstantial with regards to actual serotonin levels, though, and the fact remains there is no direct evidence of a chemical imbalance underlying depression. [Left: The only way to measure brain serotonin levels in living people is to take a sample of cerebrospinal fluid, via spinal tap. Credit: Blausen.com staff, Wikiversity Journal of Medicine | CC BY 3.0.]

The corollary to the chemical imbalance theory, which implies that raising brain serotonin levels alleviates depression, has also been hard to prove. As mentioned previously, the serotonin-depleting drug reserpine was itself shown to be an effective anti-depressant in the 1950s, the same decade in which other studies claimed that reserpine caused depression-like symptoms. At the time, few psychiatrists acknowledged these conflicting reports, as the studies muddled a beautiful, though incorrect, theory. Tianeptine is another drug that decreases serotonin levels while also serving as a bona-fide anti-depressant. Tianeptine does just the opposite of SSRIs – it enhances serotonin reuptake. Wellbutrin is a third anti-depressant that doesn’t increase serotonin levels. You get the picture.

If you prefer your data to be derived more accurately, but less relevantly, from rodents, you might consider a recent meta-analysis carried out by researchers led by McMaster University psychologist Paul Andrews. Their investigation revealed that, in rodents, depression was usually associated with elevated serotonin levels. Andrews argues that depression is therefore a disorder of too much serotonin, but the ambiguous truth is that different experiments have shown “activation or blockage of certain serotonin receptors [to improve] or worsen depression symptoms in an unpredictable manner.”

Other problems with the chemical imbalance model of depression have been well documented elsewhere. For instance, if low serotonin levels were responsible for symptoms of depression, it stands to reason that boosting levels of serotonin should alleviate symptoms more or less immediately. In fact, antidepressants can take more than a month to take effect. Clearly, something here just doesn’t add up.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Konyap]
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/266102.php

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"There are several studies, mine included, that show people with schizophrenia have smaller-than-average cranial size.

Since cranial development is completed within the first few years of life, there may be some aspect of earliest development - perhaps things such as pregnancy complications or exposure to viruses - that on average, affected people with schizophrenia."

The brain scans also showed that those who suffer from schizophrenia demonstrated the highest tissue loss in the first 2 years after their first episode, after which point it slowed down significantly.

The results showed that the higher the dosage of anti-psychotic medication in patients, the more brain tissue was lost.



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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Konyap]
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I've had schizophrenia since i was a kid. My grandfather had it. Overall it's not fun.
I have paranoid schizophrenia so i'm very functional, but i have trouble trusting anyone and get paranoid delusions about almost everyone i meet.

I used to get intense pzychotic episodes as a kid where i'd go into other worlds of pure terror and fear. Those stopped completely as soon as i started smoking weed in high school and i continue to smoke daily.

CBD has been proven to be a safe and effective antipsychotic.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23093112

I've had some positive delusions, dreams of specific things that have come true, law of attraction type of things, lots of synchronicities.
I'm a good artist and musician.
I can be arrogant at times.

This documentary on John Nash describes the disease perfectly.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: SirDabsAlot]
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SirDabsAlot said:
I have paranoid schizoohrenia so i'm very functional



this explains a lot


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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:smokeweedallday:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: SirDabsAlot]
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"My brain is slowly breaking down. I can't organise my thoughts and generally I am unaware of any self or mind, the thoughts I do have seem correct because I can't think anything else but in reality are completely irrational and disconnected, paranoia and evil seemingly in the air, in everyone's eyes and voice, in public I'm sure every conversation is about me. Emotions are flat but sometimes sheer frustration breaks through and I think I could kill someone.

Better let me lead the pack guys."


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: circastes]
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Who said that?


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: SirDabsAlot] * 1
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It's my example of a typical schizophrenic claiming an evolutionary advantage. :sun:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: SirDabsAlot]
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SirDabsAlot said:
:smokeweedallday:


you shouldnt smoke weed man with any meds you are on thats all im gonna say. :knowwhatnevermind:

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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: trekie]
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:lol: Weed IS my medication.


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