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piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them?
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I am starting school again soon, and have been studying java in me free time. Coupled with work, I have grown some interest into nootropics to help with the studying. A friend of mine swears by piracetam.

Does anyone here use them? Does anyone here have experience with them?

Very curious.

For anyone who has never heard of these compounds, here is a little exerpt from erowids FAQ:

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Considered a "smart drug" or nootropic, piracetam is reported to enhance cognitive functions of the brain such as memory, attention, intelligence, etc. There is very little empirical evidence to support this claim in healthy individuals. Piracetam is believed to increase blood flow between the two hemispheres of the brain. It's also been reported to protect brain tissue from various physical and chemical abrasions such as alcohol damage.

One study described the benefits of piracetam in this way: "In animal models and in healthy volunteers, the drug improves the efficiency of the higher telencephalic functions of the brain involved in cognitive processes such as learning and memory. The pharmacology of piracetam is unusual because it protects against various physical and chemical insults applied to the brain. It facilitates learning and memory in healthy animals and in animals whose brain function has been compromised, and it enhances interhemispheric transfer of information via callosal transmission. At the same time, even in relatively high dosages it is devoid of any sedative, analeptic or autonomic activities." [7]




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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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I discovered a supplement that others were using to enhance their lucid dreaming experiences a few years back and found it remarkable lucid dreaming aside. It's called Galantamine. This stuff had me flying the first time I tried it and was astonished as to how powerful it was for an OTC supplement. It's used to treat Alzheimer's and I found it to last far longer than expected. I'm a horse when it comes to tolerance of meds, so this will work for anyone. It's recommended to take along with choline. Perhaps someone else here has tried it for a comparison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galantamine


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Astral Pain]
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I used to take galantamine/choline for exploring the liminal realms ov consciousness.  It worked quite well for that as long as experimentation was spaced to every few days, but i cannot comment on its nootropic efficacy as that was'nt my focus at the time.  I did note however that taking too much tended toward some annoying effects upon waking resembling mild sludge syndrome.  Stuck in the sluudddgggggeeeee.

I still have some galantamine.  Hmmm, it's 7 or 8 years old.  I wonder if it degraded.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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I have a fair bit of experience with nootropics. Normally you take a stack consisting of a racetam ad a choline. The strongest racetams are noopept (a thousand times Stonger then piracetam) and phenylpiracetam.  The strongest cholines are alpha Gpc choline and citicoline .

My preferred stack is noopept and alpha Gpc choline.

Taking a nootropic stack has many benefits and is well worth doing.

I haven't used galantamine yet but I am very interested in it.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Moonshoe]
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Piracetam makes me sick, very sick. Eating a gram of piracetam feels akin to eating a gram of caffeine -- stimulant poisoning.

I'm too sensitive for that stuff.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Asante]
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Strange. I never got any negative side effects even from five grams of piracetam at a time.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Moonshoe]
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My sensitivities to things that act on the brain are way off. On one hand the walls start melting if I eat 0.6 grams of cubies, on the other hand I can drink a problem drinker into a blackout, I freak the fuck out if I smoke 1/20 of a gram of weed but I can easily go through a gram of MDMA or MXE in a 24 hour period without a serious blacklash.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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Asante said:
Piracetam makes me sick, very sick. Eating a gram of piracetam feels akin to eating a gram of caffeine -- stimulant poisoning.

I'm too sensitive for that stuff.



Holy shit man!
I've been known to take almost 20g in a day!!!!
Weird you're so sensitive.




@OP, during my almost 4 years in college my stack was this from Monday to Friday:

8am: 6g piracetam + choline + various bitamins + 100mg phenyl pircetam + creatine

11am: 3.2g piracetam + vitamin C + 30mg noopept

2pm: 3-6g piracetam + 50mg phenyl piracetam + 20mg noopept

5pm: (only if I had evening classes) 3.2g piracetam + 20mg noopept + creatine

10pm: (only for lucid dream enhancement and recall) 4g piracetam + various vitamins




Also in there was hella water like probably 4 litres or more a day. And cannabis tincture 2-3 times a day.

I love nootropics soooo much I would have continued with a stack close to that ^ even out of school if I had the money. I still take piracetam for lucid dream enhancement though. It's hands down the best dream enhancer I've ever had ever.

I can't recommend nootropics enough. There's a bunch of new ones I'm excited to be building a few new stacks come summer time.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Zombi3]
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:nothingtoadd:


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Ling Ling]
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I think there's something goofy with my blood brain barrier.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Zombi3]
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you guys are almost making them sound like amphetamines where you get an immediate boost, then need to dose again.

I was under the impression they built up in your brain over time, and the effects were very mild.

zombi3, have you experienced any negative side effects? Seems like asante's experience is pretty unusual, but any kind of nagging lingering side effects? Ill admit, from someone who done little research on the subject, as an outsider it looks like you take to much. Like somehow all these doses can't be healthy. Especially if long term side effects aren't completely understood.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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I have some phenylpiracetam and synephrine laying around which I don't take, they were nice together though for focus/energy, but I quit taking them because I found that B vitamins, spirulina, guarana, and l-theanine worked better.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
you guys are almost making them sound like amphetamines where you get an immediate boost, then need to dose again.

I was under the impression they built up in your brain over time, and the effects were very mild.

zombi3, have you experienced any negative side effects? Seems like asante's experience is pretty unusual, but any kind of nagging lingering side effects? Ill admit, from someone who done little research on the subject, as an outsider it looks like you take to much. Like somehow all these doses can't be healthy. Especially if long term side effects aren't completely understood.



Sometimes I felt dehydrated that's essentially the only side effect I got.

My stacks aren't on the higher side of some stacks but also are not small. They're medium-high level stacks.
Taking them long term provides smoother, sharper, "better" results.

There are countless medical papers detailing the safety of long term nootropic use, most notably for piracetam, but many many others as well. I'm not going to bother linking them because they are very easy to find. Nootropics have been around for decades, we know quite a bit about them.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Zombi3]
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Really? Because my first glance at the information available pointed towards the opposite. Seems like alot of contradicting research. Im definitely going to read more before making any kind of decision.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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Nootropics are extremely safe.

You just need to include a choline source to avoid mild side effects like headache or brain fog. As long as you have the choline source there are usually few if any side effects.

Nootropics are totally worth taking especially when drinking or doing MDMA or taking head impacts or aging .


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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I mean I know it isn't the most reputable source in the world but even Wikipedia speaks to piracetams insanely good safety profile, including during long term trials. They first started using it for long term treatments in like the late 60's. We're looking at 40+ years of medical, therapeutical, nootropic use with many many reports.

Shit is amazing as fuck.

I am speaking mostly for piracetam vs anything else though.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Zombi3]
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why is it so amazing for you? What are the biggest positives in your experience?


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: danielx]
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- increased focus and concentration
- increased problem solving
- faster, smoother thought processes
- increased ability to retain anything you're told/read
- better short term memory and long term memory
- increased energy
- increased positivity in mood and life in general
- increased sociability
- subtle but noticeable mental euphoria
- decreased anxiety
- decreased insomnia

- potentiates psychedelics
- kills hangovers dead whether it's booze, cocaine, or MDMA

- INSANE lucid dream enhancement!!!!!

Plus an array of other more subtle effects.


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: Ling Ling]
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I was thinking about ordering some phenibut.

Any one have any experience using phenibut???

After doing some reading I found out it has some cardioprotective effects and I found that pretty interesting.

Looking further into cardioprotective substances and I think adaptogens are where I'll find what I'm looking for. Any knowledge around here about that stuff?


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Re: piracetam and nootropics, who has experience with them? [Re: goldcaphunter]
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Haven't tried phenibut however I've read it can have uncomfortable side effects and can cause withdrawals when stopping repeated use.
Of all the nootropics and smart drugs this is one I have the least interest in.

YMMV


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