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Bullshit alarm
    #2268001 - 01/24/04 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This morning on CNN I was watching a debate over gay marriage, and I heard one of them ask the question, "What sort of message does this send to our children?" My bullshit alarm immediately went off. Why must public policy be made based on some sort of message the politicians think it will send? Why not just base it on what works? Anyway, I figure we should get a list going of other catch-phrases that make your bullshit alarm go off.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268025 - 01/24/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

how about... what kind of message does it send to our children when we persecute a segment of society like this?


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: ]
    #2268031 - 01/24/04 01:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A little better, but still bullshit. Different people will get different messages out of it, so it's arrogant for politicians to assume that everyone will get the same message from it.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268055 - 01/24/04 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think it boils down to this:

marriage may be a staple of our culture (and most every culture). it may be a religious rite. this is all fine and good. in the eyes of the law however, the ONLY reason for recognizing it is that it is a legal arrangement... for things like taxes, property rights, kinship, etc. it is wrong to allow people of the opposite sex to enter into such a legal arrangment but not people of the same sex.

and what's more, the government cannot actually ban gay marriage. they can only refuse to recognize it... which really means what? gays can still marry, they can still call themselves spouses... the cultural and religious aspect of marriage can be "undermined" just as easily with or without government recognition of the legal aspects of the arrangement.

people are stupid sometimes.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268056 - 01/24/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's an important lesson that children learn that we will punish other people just to teach them (the children) a lesson. That we're willing to sacrafice other people's rights so that parents can let the government do their jobs as parents for them.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: ]
    #2268057 - 01/24/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't really intend for this thread to be all about gay marriage. I was hoping to get a list going of other bullshit catchphrases.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268075 - 01/24/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sending messages is important. Just you wait. Owners and players of professional sports are going to send the message that steroids are bad. Then we can finaly be rid of the evil steroids.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2268088 - 01/24/04 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to hear the government explanation why steroids are illegal.

Are they afraid someone will go into a roid rage and drive their car into a bussload of children?

What exactly is the justification of that?


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2268093 - 01/24/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wow. This thread got derailed fast.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2268308 - 01/24/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Steroids are legal though. It's just that people buy things intended for farm animals and stick them in their own bodies instead at lower doses. Also I think asthma inhalers contain a kind of steroid. I think the results to baseball could actually be catostraphic to players livelyhoods(as far as being millionaries go) if they banned steroids(and enforced it) some of these heavy hitters would lose a huge part of their game.

Kinda on topic- these "bullshit statements" usually are defended by saying they are for the good of the majority.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268360 - 01/24/04 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We've heard "it's for the children" starting in the early 90's and it seems to be both sides only defense when policies such as this are brought forth. That's why i like George Carlin's skit on why children are over-rated, good stuff.

"the kids that eat the most marbles, don't go to college"...ha, classic.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268368 - 01/24/04 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Anti-American" is a handy dandy BS catch-phrase when refferring to those within the US.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268409 - 01/24/04 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course, when Bushyboi mentions "Weapons of Mass Destruction" or mispronounces "Nuclear" it pegs my BS meter to the max....and don't even get me started on the "Patriot" Acts!  :shake:


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2268611 - 01/24/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Steroids are legal though. It's just that people buy things intended for farm animals and stick them in their own bodies instead at lower doses. Also I think asthma inhalers contain a kind of steroid.




The main steroids that athletes use are androstene (actually, I realize that the list has about 200 name brand and generic drugs on it), but the point is, I don't think that the steroids fed to animals and the ones used for people work on each other. Also, in moderate use, steroids are very helpful to the athlete. After lifting weights for a few yeas, I used them to cross the 350lbs benchpres mark. I used them for one week (a "cycle") and have never used them again, tho I suppose I would if I really needed to.
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I think the results to baseball could actually be catostraphic to players livelyhoods(as far as being millionaries go) if they banned steroids(and enforced it) some of these heavy hitters would lose a huge part of their game.




I don't think that many major league baseball players use 'roids. Mark McQuire only used creatien monohydrate, totally legal, to achieve those cannons that set the homerun record.
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Kinda on topic- these "bullshit statements" usually are defended by saying they are for the good of the majority.




I think that alot of hte bullshit statements are mainly emotional appeals. I think that man/man homoseuality is quite disgusting, but through my study of morality and ethics, I can't find anything that would give a proper statement to ban it. If two guys want to have a sexual relationship, I don't think that it is immoral. But, by playing to emotional and religious sentiments, they can rally more support.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: silversoul7]
    #2268728 - 01/24/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Bullshit alarm. "The peoples voice must be heard" and then they make a law or tax thats screws 89% of the people.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2268793 - 01/24/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure your steroid knowledge is up to par, no offence. I work in a gym and get to see this stuff first hand. A cycle is not 1 week long(average is 6-12). People DO use animal steroids on themselves(winstrol comes to mind for horses as well as sprinters). And Mark Macquire was on Andro.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2268826 - 01/24/04 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

People get busted for illegal possession of steroids in the U.S. all the time.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2269125 - 01/24/04 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know that, that's why 90% of pro body builders live miles from the Mexican border.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #2269506 - 01/24/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You'd think ther would be more mexican bodybuilders.


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Re: Bullshit alarm [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2270683 - 01/25/04 06:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They are stong guys, they climb the fences with ease.


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