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I have a small Bird Seed question, any response would be helpful and much appreciated. I just prepared 4 jars of Bird Seed. 2 of the jars were prepared by a 30 minute simmer, then 2 rinsings, and then drained for 30 mins. The others were soaked for around 16-18 hours, then rinsed twice, and of course the 30 mins of drain time was included. 2 of the simmered jars were PC'd for 1 hour 15 mins. I have not PC'd the soaked WBS jars because of the drastically different appearance of the jars. The jars prepared from soaked substrate material appear to have no busted grains, but the size barely increased from pre-soak stage. I put some birdseed from the bag in my hand, then my already soaked birdseed, and could only tell the difference with a few grains.
The Bird Seed prepared by simmering were far larger, however some of the millet seems to have expanded until the edges of the grains are unintelligible. The larger grains, appearing dark and something like an extrememly minute blimp, had easily traceable edges. I believe the smaller grains may have simply burst, indicating an overextended simmering stage.

Two questions came of this.
1. If I did indeed burst the grains through simmering, is it advisable to shorten the length of simmering time? Or should I lower the temperature? The temperature was set by boiling tap water, then changing pans and lowering the temperate 1/8 to 1/4 of a dial turn. (I assumed this would give me 180-200.)

2. Suppose the simmering time does need to be shortened, how will I know enough time has gone by?

Perhaps I needed to PC the soaked seed first.

Trkgsy

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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Ok...i just fif some wild bird seed that seems to be working great...i soaked some wbs for 12 hours..drained for 45 minutes in a collander..and then loanded into my jars...cooked for a hour at 10 psi...they ca me out great...next day i innoc with some my7celium from a brf cake...7 days later the jars are wonderful...i will get some pics so you can tell what it looks like...

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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With WBS, the more you do with it, the more you are fucking yourself. I never had more success with WBS than I did following the simplest method I could find:

Soak for 24 hours, rinse in strainer for 5 mins
load until QT jars were 2/3 full
PC for 75 minutes
allow to depressurize naturally
remove and allow to cool overnight
innoc. (did this with spore the first time, now I will only use liquid innoc.)


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Re: WBS [Re: JetBlackNinja]
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Thanks for the replies so far, I believe it is just about impossible to fuck up soaking wbs. So that tells me the simmering was wrong. But then again simmering isn't hard either so I don't know. I'm sure this will get sorted out though.

Trkgsy

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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You should check your stuff when simmerin and if you see a few bursting kernels you stop.MY WBS can normally stand for 15 minutes simmerin ,probably yours is different than mine so try and see what happens.Good luck!

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Re: WBS [Re: stara]
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I'm just starting to work with grains. The first recipie I tried said to just load the jars with 2/3 cup wbs and 1/3 cup water. Well i wanted to use quarts instead of pints so I doubled it and did 1.5 cups wbs and 2/3 cup water. lost a couple of jars to the mean green but looks like maybe 4 qts will make it made on 12/20 they're only about 1/2 colonized but I'm still hopeful.

I tried simmering 6 jars on the 24th all but one of those ended up green so in the future will skip the simmering and go with what worked, odd how the simpler method seems to be working better.

rh95

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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If you simmer and it lookes like the grain exploded as long as its under 50% burst you will be fine as long as after you pc them you can shake the jar you will be fine if they seem clumpy before you load them into the pc add some gypsome that will make it so the grains wont stick together.

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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What would be the benefit of simmering the WBS before PCing?

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Re: WBS [Re: slammin007]
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To paraphrase Anno the wise 'Simmering and soaking both cause the grains to soak up the proper amount of moisture. The idea is to get the water content correct, how you do it is completely your choice.'

I think my simmer was just too long, I have soaked some birseed and it seems much better. I forgot to shake them as the PC hit 0 because of a poorly timed pool game. This has caused clumping. I'll just do it again I guess.

Thanks for all the replies everybody

Trkgsy

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Re: WBS [Re: trkgsy]
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Some clumpling is acceptable. Just not too much. A little will only slow growth a little bit. however if the WBS is too saturated then you should do it agin.


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