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GnuBobo
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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

[Re: agar]
#5348239 - 02/28/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 30 days ago)

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agar said:
Sounds like your WBS may be a bit to WET, before you start. 1 or 2% bursted WBS isn't much of a problem, more than that becomes a bigger problem, the higher the percentage goes.

Busted seed creates sort of a starchy sludge, that is prone to bacterial contamination, slow colonization & makes the jars hard to shake (sludge is sticky).

You might try pre/heating your PC, then add the jars & PC lid W/weight so it builds pressure quicker. Other than that, I don't really know what to tell you.

The mix of grain sizes (smaller millet) with WBS was just disaster and wetspot for me. :sad:

:sad:

Toss in some dry verm to your drained grain before loading jars--it helps balance out the moisture and texture.

Others here may be able to use grain without verm, but I don't have the patience to drain it or the skill to keep it consistently uncontaminated. :shrug:

:shrug:

Verm is cheap and it takes about a 1/4 cup dry per quart of grain. :cool:

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to those that get consistent straight-grain results.

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

[Re: GnuBobo]

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#5348841 - 02/28/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 30 days ago)

i have been working on experiments with no Soaking and no simmering.

The rye i have just found doesn't seem to have a problem with bacterial endospores. (after writing this post i prolly will)

just fill Qt. jars with 1 1/2 cups dry grain, add filtered water (puritan) equal to the grain line, and pc.

after pc session. let cool a little bit, and then shake jars to distribute the grains. ie.) the wetter ones mixed with the drier ones.

This seems to work good. Testing it with Agar's Dancing tigers now.

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#5349656 - 02/28/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 30 days ago)

I completely agaree with agar. Too many burst seeds from simmering create a higher chance for contam.

I knocked up 10 jars using Doc's WBs tek. Four days of incubating and the whole jar had green on it. The only thing I did different from the tek was I had too many burst grains. I'd say 25% was burst from simmering.

Next time I'm going to try just soaking. This fairly new grower can't afford to waste anymore syringes!

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

[Re: ChronicBarry]
#5349745 - 02/28/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 30 days ago)

If you can't afford to waste Syringes, look into LC :smile:

:smile:

Soaking seems to work well for many people, but so does simmering. I think it is all personal preference. (Although soaking is easier and fool proof!!!)

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

[Re: agar]
#5648177 - 05/18/06 10:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Agar, what is the reason for the rye/wbs mix if fruiting from grain? Wouldn't all rye be more nutritious?

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#5898401 - 07/25/06 02:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

thought i might bring the ultimate resource straight out a 04

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#5898571 - 07/25/06 03:00 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

One point, maybe it's mentioned earlier and I missed it.

For soaks longer than 24 hours you should refrigerate while soaking. This will stop the bacteria from rotting it and the grain from sprouting. The endospores should still germinate, but if you have problems with them then allow the grain to come up to room temp for several hours near the end of your soak.

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#6109000 - 09/27/06 08:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So let me get this straight.. putting the water level just above the seeds shows that the seeds retained the water so you will know when they are fully soaked once the water level stops lowering? I dont really understand? or do I?

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#6183539 - 10/18/06 06:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the write up!

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#6225341 - 10/29/06 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

thanks

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#9352808 - 12/02/08 06:04 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a noob, but for what it's worth here's my foolproof WBS method:

Simmer for 15 min then pour the entire pot into a bucket to soak or let it remain in the pot for 12 hrs. Make sure there's water covering the seed (about 2")...add some if you need to.

After 12 hr soak drain the WBS and rinse it thoroughly, then let that drain till you can't shake ANY water from the strainer.

Load into jars and add some pre moistend verm. For qt jars I use approx 3 cups WBS and 2 heaping tbsp moist verm. Shake well, use Tyvek and a foil cover and PC for 60 min @ 15 psi. This method has never failed me. Simmering the seed first softens it allowing it to absorb it's max moisture content during the soak. If you can squish the seeds between your fingers with some effort then you're golden. The moist verm will soak up any excess moisture OR add moisture if your grains didn't absorb enough. Good luck! :rocket:

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#9352859 - 12/02/08 06:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

thread from 05...

looks like its the noob wall of shame for you :tongue:

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#9352961 - 12/02/08 06:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

He should be banned for doing that to one of Agar's posts,lol. :thumbdown:

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Noob indeed .

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#9353406 - 12/02/08 07:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

high gais

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#9354087 - 12/02/08 08:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Hi. It may be an old thread but it's still viewed and I was merely posting my experience with successful results. Didn't mean to put anyone down whatsoever, just wanted to tell ya'll of the method that has worked for me. :wink:

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And c'mon, I'm a newb and excited for my "fruitful" endeavor. Where's the love?

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#9354286 - 12/02/08 08:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the love is in your ratings.

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#10838022 - 08/11/09 06:49 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

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the love is in your ratings.

lol.....im sure my ratings are low...but i like to speculate and learn,as oppose to presume and preach....but that was funny!

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#10971373 - 08/31/09 08:06 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

i thought the reason for soaking was to germinate bacterial endospores, the grain dosent soak up that much water during soak thats not its purpose, thats why we simmer, to get the grains to soak up the maximum water content without breaking kernels

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#10971963 - 08/31/09 10:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

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Re: SOAKING WBS - GRAINS & TIMES - FINAL ANSWER

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#10971981 - 08/31/09 10:52 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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system32 said:
http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

Word.

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