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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Drone] * 1
    #5363773 - 03/04/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

steam comes from evaporation,
water turns from liquid to gas
as per laws of physics.
can someone plz explain how
birdseed evaporates ??
i do not believe the following statement is correct-
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because the steam comes from moisture in wbs/grain jars.
It can/will carry a small amount of nutrients (from the wbs/grain moisture) - with it.





steam distillation creates ultra-pure water vapor.
any evidence of sugars, starches, carbs being
turned into steam which enters the filter ????

as i am very much a skeptic...
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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Hippie3]
    #5363775 - 03/04/06 05:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes i agree...heat theory 101
Hippie i cant get on your site for some reason??


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: OldSpice] * 1
    #5363851 - 03/04/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You are talking DISTILLATION.

Not quite the same thing - here.

I think you all would agree that various nutrients, sugars, starches, carbohydrates, salts, oils & vitamins are soluble in water.

Given that fact; simply fill a flask 1/2 full of a solution of coffee or dissolved hot chocolate (for instance), tightly cover the mouth of the flask with white filter paper, then place the flask over a source of heat & bring the solution to a rolling boil.

The resulting steam will vaporize some of the solutions soluble content into gas, which is forced through the filter covering the flask. Where it will generally accumulate & stain (discolor) the filter with a visible residue.

In the instance of grain jars (with tight lids, a hole in the lid, tightly covered with filter material), that same process takes place.

Consequently, some nutrients from the solution accumulate on the filter.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5363870 - 03/04/06 08:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The resulting steam will vaporize some of the solutions soluble content into gas




that's the part i'm having trouble with,
and you did not clarify,
you just repeated.
each substance in a solution will evaporate at its' own unique temperature,
only substances with the exact same point of evaporation as water
would go at the same time.
this is clearly shown by evaporating any alcohol mixture...

one would interpret the phenomenon you mention
as being caused by the physical energy of the boiling itself
propelling minute droplets of liquid coffee, not steam, airborne
and thus some might accumulate on the filter.
and that is why
i use inert silicon adhesive instead
and add needed air via my 'airport' tek
which i believe is on file here...
also if there is no boiling, no excess standing water
in a jar of grain
i do not see how this could occur.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Hippie3] * 1
    #5363940 - 03/04/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)


PC'ed jars. :stoned:

Above is an example of what I am talking about.
(Micropore tape on lids, covered with triple coffee filters)

Note the red arrows pointing to stains on the coffee filters.

Those stains correspond to the holes in lids beneath the coffee filters.

They were caused from INSIDE the jar.

Only jars with lids TIGHTER than others formed those stains.

The stains were caused by something in the steam, escaping through the lid hole filters.

What do you suppose that something is?


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5364278 - 03/04/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well as far as this Tek goes, my jars look to me like they have the perfect water content, and i started seeing growth yesterday. Thanks for the tek, hopefully I will end up with fruits for the first time!


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5364289 - 03/04/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

are the lids metal or plastic ?
if metal
might be some rust.
if not rust then
like i said
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the phenomenon you mention
... caused by the physical energy of the boiling itself
propelling minute droplets of liquid coffee... airborne




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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Hippie3]
    #5364422 - 03/04/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Hippie3 said:
are the lids metal or plastic ?
if metal
might be some rust.
if not rust then
like i said
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the phenomenon you mention
... caused by the physical energy of the boiling itself
propelling minute droplets of liquid coffee... airborne







That is STEAM, is it not.

In a beaker, dissolve 10 grams of dry dextrose in 500 ml of water.

Bring the solution to a boil & boil away half the solution away.

Then, air dry the remaining solution, dry.

Weigh what particulates remain.

There be LESS than 10 grams of dextrose remaining.

Some leaves in the steam.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5364461 - 03/04/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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FooManShroom said:
Before you start, get your quart jar lids set up with your inoculation holes, Tyvek, polyfil, micropore, etc. I'm not getting into detail on that because there are about a thousand different ways that you can set up your lids and I'm sure that no matter which way I explain it, someone will have a better way! :grin:





I knew there was a good reason not to get into detail on that. :lol:

I personally haven't had a problem with my polyfil or Tyvek staining from the steam during PC'ing, or thought to attribute any contam problem to this, but if there is even a remote possibility that this could cause a potential contam problem, I'd play it safe.

I didn't want this thread to go into a lid debate! :smirk:


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5364483 - 03/04/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So if i was to use this tech using rye- would and additional water have to be added or would they go from simmer to the jar to the PC and thats it?


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5364517 - 03/04/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Some leaves in the steam




I think that there would be some kind of gas/particulate which is expelled during this process, this is clear by the strong smell of grains when one removes the lid to the PC, obviously something has gotten out of the jars. However, it isn't because its dissolved in the water vapor, its just a gas, or an oil which reaches its boiling point in the process of PCing. The steam that leaves is pure H2O, but in the process the grains also expell gas and oils which cause the effect you're discussing.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: j21kickster]
    #5365469 - 03/04/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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j21kickster said:
So if i was to use this tech using rye- would and additional water have to be added or would they go from simmer to the jar to the PC and thats it?




I'm still testing out the rye now. So far, I've noticed that you have to drain it longer then the WBS.

They go from simmer to rinse and strain to jar to PC.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5365911 - 03/04/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

longer as in 30 minutes longer? I like this idea because it can be hard to measure just the right amount of water to go in the jar, this way kinda takes that guess work out


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: j21kickster]
    #5365950 - 03/04/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I drained for about 30 minutes, but until I get a jar 100% colonized, I'm not going to say it works yet.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5397151 - 03/13/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Started my first serious grow about 36 hours ago, using this tek. Knocked up with some LC, already noticeable growth in 3/5 jars. Oh how I  :heart: LC. Loading some more into the PC right now. Awesome tek Foo.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: HighGuy]
    #5436967 - 03/24/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you think you could boil water than put in a bucket/large pot 2/3 the way full of wbs than cover with "whatever" and that way you could do it with alot more wbs than a few jars as long as you have enough pots?

if that doesn't make sence;

fill large bucket/s 1/2-2/3 with wbs
boil water in big pot
dump boiling water into bucket
cover with lid/makeshift lid
boil more water for another bucket if nessissary
repeat
wait 12-24 hours or not but if you feel like soaking this would acomidate as well but still be able to use this basic idea?

do you guys think that could work?


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: DaCultivater]
    #5437425 - 03/24/06 07:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's the same concept. I don't see why it wouldn't work the same. Straining all that WBS will be a PITA though :grin:


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5438833 - 03/24/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

believe me i'v strained over 400 lbs dry worth of wbs in a week b4

and it is a pita lol

i thgink this is what i'm going to do next time cause i have been having alot of trouble with jars drying out (i have never simmerd)


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: DaCultivater]
    #5450906 - 03/28/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

After a nice 1.5h pc...The wbs looks beautiful :smile:

Thanks for the tek. Good stuff.

To easy 8-)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5496049 - 04/09/06 09:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

cant wait to try this tek out :wink:


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