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I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's...
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As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault.  After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed.  I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger.  That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia.  Not the LSD itself.  But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping.  Too much for my own good.  The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early.  Thoughts?

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.

Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Schizophrenia is a gray area.

We have no idea what causes it in most cases but is has been shown that drug use of any kind may bring out any predisposition to mental illness. This we know.

In one of my psych classes a long time ago we learned about the brain sections, and would happen if you damaged different areas of the brain. In just about every single area schizophrenia was on the list of possible side effects. They don't know a lot about it it's Avery complicated disease.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said:
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine.


:thatsayes:

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Psilosoulful]
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We don't have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what causes schizophrenia. There's a number of pretty good hypotheses. What seems likely is that what is now called "schizophrenia" is actually a cluster of distinct disorders with different root causes. What we do know is that schizophrenia can be triggered by extreme experiences. It would be incorrect to say that any drug "causes" schizophrenia based on our current understanding. It would be correct to say a drug "triggered" the disorder, or worsened it.

Personally, I've known more than one person who has had schizophrenia and has used psychedelics and, from that, I have developed a hypothesis. This is based purely on anecdote, and therefore has no genuine authority behind it.

It is my experience that the main interaction between schizophrenia and psychedelics is that of reinforcing delusions. Psychedelics produce profound feelings that you are experiencing something very significant, as well as strong feelings that you are understanding something. These feelings are, of course, pharmacologically induced and can lead to both positive and negative outcomes. In the case of schizophrenics, psychedelics likely have a dual effect of temporarily exacerbating their positive symptoms (in this case, positive refers to experiences, perceptions, etc that are added to the patient's experience, such as hallucinations. A negative symptom is something that is removed, an example being catatonia.) while at the same time producing the feeling that their experience is extremely significant, and that they are acquiring understanding. This reinforces any delusions they may already have or, in people with the potential for, or early symptoms of, schizophrenia pulling inducing the symptoms and then reinforcing their validity.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
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thewanderer25 said:
Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.

Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.


FYI, the most drugs for schizophrenia are anti-psychotics, which either act as antagonists at one or many serotonin receptors, or act as an antagonist at some and an agonist at others. They also almost universally act as antagonists at dopamine sites.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LSDreamer]
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I think that the activation of the k-opioid receptors is what causes schizophrenia. Salvia is an agonist of these receptors and I've experience paranoid schizophrenic thoughts and feelings while on it. I've felt as if i was in another dimension, I've seen shadow people and communicated with inanimate objects verbally and what they said was heard clear as day. I've felt like my thoughts weren't my own and I lost control of my coordination. Salvia = Schizophrenia. A lot of the medicines for schizophrenia work with the dopamine receptors and that seems to improve the symptoms however the K-opioid are part of this system and when turned on cause dramatic strange psychedelic trips. K-opioid antagonists would most likely treat schizophrenia best. Off topic but that is my hypothesis.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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336 said:
OP would you be willing to talk about how you began to believe you were  schizophrenic? I too have had some bad trips, some crazy trips where my mind became very confused and fractured. I've always been a little weird; my family has always talked about how my mom and her mom and her mom's mom may have had schizophrenia but I'm unsure if any of them were clinically diagnosed; although I do know my grandmother was put up in a place once and then prescribe extremely potent tranquilizers back in the 50's.

I've always kind of worried that I might be afflicted as well (although I have a different perspective on what schizophrenia is then popular opinion does) I know it's probably a touchy subject for you, but if you could share some of the effects of your early stage of schizophrenia after the bad trip till now that would be much appreciated.

Oh and I'd like to note that the worst trip of my life was after taking a massive bong rip after not smoking for an entire month (and bong rips literally fucked me up terribly even when I was smoking regularly) and taking 2 hits of acid. I felt disassociated from my body almost completely. As if I was witnessing my body moving instead of actually moving it. It was extra terrifying because it was a full moon and we were exploring a dark and spider infested valley late at night. I also recall sensing a native american spirit within the valley that was almost taunting/testing me as if I was taking some kind of spiritual test of courage or something. It was quite strange.


Might I ask how old you are?


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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Extremely hard high dose trips can bring out schizophrenia in people that have a family history of it but I think most people are resilient to those psychotic breaks


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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336 said:
LSDreamer said:
Might I ask how old you are?


22; why?


Schizophrenia, as well as some other mental disorders, are sort of frightening in that they have a habit of suddenly manifesting full force between late teens and mid 20s, often with little warning. As you fall squarely in that age range, if you feel you are developing symptoms, the responsible thing for me to do would be to urge caution when it comes to drug use, psychedelics in particular, and get yourself properly evaluated.

I knew a guy in college who was 18-20 and experiencing some symptoms of schizophrenia. That eventually resulted in a full psychotic break on mushrooms.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Psilosoulful]
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Psilosoulful said:
thewanderer25 said:
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine.


:thatsayes:


:lol:

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said:
Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.

Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.


:justno:


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
thewanderer25 said:
Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.

Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.


:justno:


:murray:


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
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Scientific data has shown that D2 receptor antagonists have significantly decreased the positive symptoms of schizophrenia for a number of patients so I'm inclined to believe in the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia. My pharmacology teacher made a pretty convincing argument about the whole ordeal :shrug:


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I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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336 said:
LSDreamer said:
336 said:
LSDreamer said:
Might I ask how old you are?


22; why?


Schizophrenia, as well as some other mental disorders, are sort of frightening in that they have a habit of suddenly manifesting full force between late teens and mid 20s, often with little warning. As you fall squarely in that age range, if you feel you are developing symptoms, the responsible thing for me to do would be to urge caution when it comes to drug use, psychedelics in particular, and get yourself properly evaluated.

I knew a guy in college who was 18-20 and experiencing some symptoms of schizophrenia. That eventually resulted in a full psychotic break on mushrooms.


Ah well it may be too late. Both my brother and I have had massive psychotic breaks while tripping. One completely changed my brother; he practically become another person; way more responsible actually. He describe it as completely isolating a part of himself that he felt was more "optimal" to living in society. lol

As for me my psychotic breaks ended up with me being pretty depressed and confused for months (although I definitely can't just blame the trip as a lot of other things seemed to go wrong at the same time for some reason)

Since then it's been REALLY hard to interact with people. Although I've always had social anxiety and have been a loner. I've only recently begun to recover to be honest.

Still though I'm uncertain of the actual symptoms of schizophrenia besides the whole "hearing voices" thing.

Malcolm_Xtasy said:
Scientific data has shown that D2 receptor antagonists have significantly decreased the positive symptoms of schizophrenia for a number of patients so I'm inclined to believe in the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia. My pharmacology teacher made a pretty convincing argument about the whole ordeal :shrug:


Dopamine hypothesis is a really good one. I have not had the pleasure of having had formal education on psychopharmacology, but I'm probably about as educated on psychology/neurology/psychopharmacology as a layman could reasonably be. To me, the idea that makes the most sense is the schizophrenia is, in reality, a cluster of distinct disorders with different causes that have similar enough clusters of symptoms that we currently lump them all together.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LSDreamer]
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I mean thats basically what he said. Its probably a combination of the dopamine hypothesis in addition to the glutamate hypothesis which stems from outta whack GABA signaling/not enough overall inhibition. I think most anti psychotics are geared towards the D2 receptors since that's linked with the most debilitating positive symptom (delusions)


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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YourTimesGonnaCome said:
As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault.  After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed.  I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger.  That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia.  Not the LSD itself.  But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping.  Too much for my own good.  The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early.  Thoughts?


You are dead on man. There is quite a bit of research an proof towards showing that people that have or are developing schizophrenia Smoke  and it can actually bring on the effects.


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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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I think that schizophrenia, well it's a sum of many things. I for an example started to hear voices by the use of alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. Of course before them I had used shrooms, acid, amphetamine, cocaine, ecstasy, etc. I think all of them might be the reason and weed. Before I became schizophrenic, well I had psychotic experiences like I had problem being in banks and I felt that the light in grocery stores were annoying as fuck. I also started to see coincidences which later on in the psychosis came over-whelming. The schizophrenia or the psychosis, probably both happened due to a spiritual encounted in acid with voices. I probably wouldn't have gone in to a psychosis, but there was the voices, there was the God, there was the voice of the Devil in Egypt, there was the coincidences. Too many fucking strange shit so the computer as the brain had to start to create a concept for life from scratch.

I think that the best way to handle schizophrenia is to see psychotic behavior before it comes to be reality. In the psychosis, well I found a fucking annoying thing to get pass my psychotic behavior and that was just to write public and from the conversation to come towards rationality. Slowly I as the person just started to understand what doesn't fit to reality, or that there is things like basic atheism and therefore my works never might be the absolut truth even if I still have concepts which I see valid for science doesn't still explain consciousness, etc. The voices, well nowadays they don't bother me that much because I once invented a loop that I started to repeat and when my thoughts traveled to the different sides in my head, well I figured that they just repeat shit and nowadays in my head, well it's like you are having this field of a jumbo jet in your head and then sometimes you wander to the field surrounding you. Mostly voices are the same women, but sometimes I do go to a stage where the whole experience comes so dream like that I just laugh while being drunk or high.

So, the schizophrenia actually isn't that bad because of the voices, but I think that the main problem is that the person comes so attached with their inner feelings around people which cause the negativity. For an example I start to think of my feeling and then it goes to the swallowing and I start to feel that I'm not that well, and then my throat feels the social anxiety and I try not to throw up, but I think I can handle it when I'm more used to people even if it's very difficult to eat around people.

Still I would like to ask that have people taken shrooms with schizophrenia and how much? I've been without hallucinogenics after the schizophrenia, but I have so many thoughts that I have gone through in psychosis and would want to seek more info towards them like for an example how short are the boundaries of other matter and consciousness because at this day and age I feel that consciousness is created by all and all around is what the unconscious or subconscious experiences from dimensions to a tiny ant. I just would like to see if I could get patterns that are the unconscious feeling the reality as abstract and to see are we just in synchronation with this reality with the unconscious or subconscious experiencing a lot more. Are we a collective through the interactions of the cosmos through nature to people in a flow or chaos, etc. There are tons of stuff from all matter from consciousness to information being the same, etc. I for an example have pondered am I here due to the mechanics of the cosmos coming together or by biological oddity? There is just tons of stuff which I would like to experience, but I also live in Finland and have shit much problems of getting a grow kit for myself for I'm not much of a mycologist.

So, schizophrenia and psychosis are happenings of many councidences and if you see yourself of having some sort of weird thoughts or weird experiences, well I think you might join the club! I still don't endorse schizophrenia especially since I watched a video on youtube about a child with schizophrenia and hallucinations of sight and voices because I'm lucky to have very little hallucinations of sight! That is my worry with hallucinogenics that could the visual hallucinations come everyday reality, but I think that probably not.

If there is errors, well I wrote all in a cell phone.

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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YourTimesGonnaCome said:
As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault.  After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed.  I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger.  That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia.  Not the LSD itself.  But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping.  Too much for my own good.  The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early.  Thoughts?



dude I agree 100%. When I got diagnosed with scizo/psychosis it was when I was smoking butane hash oil 12 hours a day, nonstop. When I stopped, it slowly went away. Tripping didn't help it, but I am 100% sure it was the weed that caused it.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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That's why I semi stopped smoking because it was starting to I've me really brutal panic attacks


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