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I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's...
#22213879 - 09/09/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault. After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed. I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger. That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia. Not the LSD itself. But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping. Too much for my own good. The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early. Thoughts?
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22213965 - 09/09/15 07:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22214065 - 09/09/15 08:01 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Schizophrenia is a gray area.
We have no idea what causes it in most cases but is has been shown that drug use of any kind may bring out any predisposition to mental illness. This we know.
In one of my psych classes a long time ago we learned about the brain sections, and would happen if you damaged different areas of the brain. In just about every single area schizophrenia was on the list of possible side effects. They don't know a lot about it it's Avery complicated disease.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22214072 - 09/09/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22214223 - 09/09/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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We don't have ABSOLUTELY NO idea what causes schizophrenia. There's a number of pretty good hypotheses. What seems likely is that what is now called "schizophrenia" is actually a cluster of distinct disorders with different root causes. What we do know is that schizophrenia can be triggered by extreme experiences. It would be incorrect to say that any drug "causes" schizophrenia based on our current understanding. It would be correct to say a drug "triggered" the disorder, or worsened it.
Personally, I've known more than one person who has had schizophrenia and has used psychedelics and, from that, I have developed a hypothesis. This is based purely on anecdote, and therefore has no genuine authority behind it.
It is my experience that the main interaction between schizophrenia and psychedelics is that of reinforcing delusions. Psychedelics produce profound feelings that you are experiencing something very significant, as well as strong feelings that you are understanding something. These feelings are, of course, pharmacologically induced and can lead to both positive and negative outcomes. In the case of schizophrenics, psychedelics likely have a dual effect of temporarily exacerbating their positive symptoms (in this case, positive refers to experiences, perceptions, etc that are added to the patient's experience, such as hallucinations. A negative symptom is something that is removed, an example being catatonia.) while at the same time producing the feeling that their experience is extremely significant, and that they are acquiring understanding. This reinforces any delusions they may already have or, in people with the potential for, or early symptoms of, schizophrenia pulling inducing the symptoms and then reinforcing their validity.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25] 1
#22214244 - 09/09/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.
FYI, the most drugs for schizophrenia are anti-psychotics, which either act as antagonists at one or many serotonin receptors, or act as an antagonist at some and an agonist at others. They also almost universally act as antagonists at dopamine sites.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22214265 - 09/09/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that the activation of the k-opioid receptors is what causes schizophrenia. Salvia is an agonist of these receptors and I've experience paranoid schizophrenic thoughts and feelings while on it. I've felt as if i was in another dimension, I've seen shadow people and communicated with inanimate objects verbally and what they said was heard clear as day. I've felt like my thoughts weren't my own and I lost control of my coordination. Salvia = Schizophrenia. A lot of the medicines for schizophrenia work with the dopamine receptors and that seems to improve the symptoms however the K-opioid are part of this system and when turned on cause dramatic strange psychedelic trips. K-opioid antagonists would most likely treat schizophrenia best. Off topic but that is my hypothesis.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22214412 - 09/09/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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336 said: OP would you be willing to talk about how you began to believe you were schizophrenic? I too have had some bad trips, some crazy trips where my mind became very confused and fractured. I've always been a little weird; my family has always talked about how my mom and her mom and her mom's mom may have had schizophrenia but I'm unsure if any of them were clinically diagnosed; although I do know my grandmother was put up in a place once and then prescribe extremely potent tranquilizers back in the 50's.
I've always kind of worried that I might be afflicted as well (although I have a different perspective on what schizophrenia is then popular opinion does) I know it's probably a touchy subject for you, but if you could share some of the effects of your early stage of schizophrenia after the bad trip till now that would be much appreciated.
Oh and I'd like to note that the worst trip of my life was after taking a massive bong rip after not smoking for an entire month (and bong rips literally fucked me up terribly even when I was smoking regularly) and taking 2 hits of acid. I felt disassociated from my body almost completely. As if I was witnessing my body moving instead of actually moving it. It was extra terrifying because it was a full moon and we were exploring a dark and spider infested valley late at night. I also recall sensing a native american spirit within the valley that was almost taunting/testing me as if I was taking some kind of spiritual test of courage or something. It was quite strange.
Might I ask how old you are?
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22214441 - 09/09/15 09:21 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Extremely hard high dose trips can bring out schizophrenia in people that have a family history of it but I think most people are resilient to those psychotic breaks
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22214461 - 09/09/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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22; why?
Schizophrenia, as well as some other mental disorders, are sort of frightening in that they have a habit of suddenly manifesting full force between late teens and mid 20s, often with little warning. As you fall squarely in that age range, if you feel you are developing symptoms, the responsible thing for me to do would be to urge caution when it comes to drug use, psychedelics in particular, and get yourself properly evaluated.
I knew a guy in college who was 18-20 and experiencing some symptoms of schizophrenia. That eventually resulted in a full psychotic break on mushrooms.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Psilosoulful]
#22214485 - 09/09/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22214528 - 09/09/15 09:45 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22214531 - 09/09/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: Im not sure man it would make since if we knew what caused schizophrenia or why it happens. They think LSD and schizophrenia blocks serotonin in the brain causing the halctionastions thats why the meds for schizophrenia give you more serration in your brain. Weed is serotonin and dopamine so if the high levels of dopamine cause schizophrenia then yes that would have been what did it but scientists have yet to find out why some people's brains naturally have low serotonin. The truth is no one can say its hard to tell who gets schizophrenia before they get it and brain changes are natural so no one really knows but I could see dopamine playing a role.
Maybe that's why people get it when they're older because that's around the time people have sex and that release large amount of dopamine. But there no real evidence that shows why people get schizophrenia so its all speculation, but when your brain is naturally sensitive its best not to do anything because it can set it off and potently make it worse.

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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
#22214541 - 09/09/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scientific data has shown that D2 receptor antagonists have significantly decreased the positive symptoms of schizophrenia for a number of patients so I'm inclined to believe in the dopamine hypothesis of schizophrenia. My pharmacology teacher made a pretty convincing argument about the whole ordeal
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22214556 - 09/09/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSDreamer said: Might I ask how old you are?
22; why?
Schizophrenia, as well as some other mental disorders, are sort of frightening in that they have a habit of suddenly manifesting full force between late teens and mid 20s, often with little warning. As you fall squarely in that age range, if you feel you are developing symptoms, the responsible thing for me to do would be to urge caution when it comes to drug use, psychedelics in particular, and get yourself properly evaluated.
I knew a guy in college who was 18-20 and experiencing some symptoms of schizophrenia. That eventually resulted in a full psychotic break on mushrooms.
Ah well it may be too late. Both my brother and I have had massive psychotic breaks while tripping. One completely changed my brother; he practically become another person; way more responsible actually. He describe it as completely isolating a part of himself that he felt was more "optimal" to living in society. lol
As for me my psychotic breaks ended up with me being pretty depressed and confused for months (although I definitely can't just blame the trip as a lot of other things seemed to go wrong at the same time for some reason)
Since then it's been REALLY hard to interact with people. Although I've always had social anxiety and have been a loner. I've only recently begun to recover to be honest.
Still though I'm uncertain of the actual symptoms of schizophrenia besides the whole "hearing voices" thing.
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Dopamine hypothesis is a really good one. I have not had the pleasure of having had formal education on psychopharmacology, but I'm probably about as educated on psychology/neurology/psychopharmacology as a layman could reasonably be. To me, the idea that makes the most sense is the schizophrenia is, in reality, a cluster of distinct disorders with different causes that have similar enough clusters of symptoms that we currently lump them all together.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LSDreamer]
#22214573 - 09/09/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean thats basically what he said. Its probably a combination of the dopamine hypothesis in addition to the glutamate hypothesis which stems from outta whack GABA signaling/not enough overall inhibition. I think most anti psychotics are geared towards the D2 receptors since that's linked with the most debilitating positive symptom (delusions)
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22214900 - 09/09/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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YourTimesGonnaCome said: As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault. After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed. I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger. That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia. Not the LSD itself. But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping. Too much for my own good. The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early. Thoughts?
You are dead on man. There is quite a bit of research an proof towards showing that people that have or are developing schizophrenia Smoke and it can actually bring on the effects.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#22215949 - 09/10/15 08:33 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that schizophrenia, well it's a sum of many things. I for an example started to hear voices by the use of alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs. Of course before them I had used shrooms, acid, amphetamine, cocaine, ecstasy, etc. I think all of them might be the reason and weed. Before I became schizophrenic, well I had psychotic experiences like I had problem being in banks and I felt that the light in grocery stores were annoying as fuck. I also started to see coincidences which later on in the psychosis came over-whelming. The schizophrenia or the psychosis, probably both happened due to a spiritual encounted in acid with voices. I probably wouldn't have gone in to a psychosis, but there was the voices, there was the God, there was the voice of the Devil in Egypt, there was the coincidences. Too many fucking strange shit so the computer as the brain had to start to create a concept for life from scratch.
I think that the best way to handle schizophrenia is to see psychotic behavior before it comes to be reality. In the psychosis, well I found a fucking annoying thing to get pass my psychotic behavior and that was just to write public and from the conversation to come towards rationality. Slowly I as the person just started to understand what doesn't fit to reality, or that there is things like basic atheism and therefore my works never might be the absolut truth even if I still have concepts which I see valid for science doesn't still explain consciousness, etc. The voices, well nowadays they don't bother me that much because I once invented a loop that I started to repeat and when my thoughts traveled to the different sides in my head, well I figured that they just repeat shit and nowadays in my head, well it's like you are having this field of a jumbo jet in your head and then sometimes you wander to the field surrounding you. Mostly voices are the same women, but sometimes I do go to a stage where the whole experience comes so dream like that I just laugh while being drunk or high.
So, the schizophrenia actually isn't that bad because of the voices, but I think that the main problem is that the person comes so attached with their inner feelings around people which cause the negativity. For an example I start to think of my feeling and then it goes to the swallowing and I start to feel that I'm not that well, and then my throat feels the social anxiety and I try not to throw up, but I think I can handle it when I'm more used to people even if it's very difficult to eat around people.
Still I would like to ask that have people taken shrooms with schizophrenia and how much? I've been without hallucinogenics after the schizophrenia, but I have so many thoughts that I have gone through in psychosis and would want to seek more info towards them like for an example how short are the boundaries of other matter and consciousness because at this day and age I feel that consciousness is created by all and all around is what the unconscious or subconscious experiences from dimensions to a tiny ant. I just would like to see if I could get patterns that are the unconscious feeling the reality as abstract and to see are we just in synchronation with this reality with the unconscious or subconscious experiencing a lot more. Are we a collective through the interactions of the cosmos through nature to people in a flow or chaos, etc. There are tons of stuff from all matter from consciousness to information being the same, etc. I for an example have pondered am I here due to the mechanics of the cosmos coming together or by biological oddity? There is just tons of stuff which I would like to experience, but I also live in Finland and have shit much problems of getting a grow kit for myself for I'm not much of a mycologist.
So, schizophrenia and psychosis are happenings of many councidences and if you see yourself of having some sort of weird thoughts or weird experiences, well I think you might join the club! I still don't endorse schizophrenia especially since I watched a video on youtube about a child with schizophrenia and hallucinations of sight and voices because I'm lucky to have very little hallucinations of sight! That is my worry with hallucinogenics that could the visual hallucinations come everyday reality, but I think that probably not.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
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YourTimesGonnaCome said: As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault. After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed. I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger. That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia. Not the LSD itself. But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping. Too much for my own good. The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early. Thoughts?
dude I agree 100%. When I got diagnosed with scizo/psychosis it was when I was smoking butane hash oil 12 hours a day, nonstop. When I stopped, it slowly went away. Tripping didn't help it, but I am 100% sure it was the weed that caused it.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#22215956 - 09/10/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's why I semi stopped smoking because it was starting to I've me really brutal panic attacks
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LiquidVisions]
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LiquidVisions said: I think that the activation of the k-opioid receptors is what causes schizophrenia. Salvia is an agonist of these receptors and I've experience paranoid schizophrenic thoughts and feelings while on it. I've felt as if i was in another dimension, I've seen shadow people and communicated with inanimate objects verbally and what they said was heard clear as day. I've felt like my thoughts weren't my own and I lost control of my coordination. Salvia = Schizophrenia. A lot of the medicines for schizophrenia work with the dopamine receptors and that seems to improve the symptoms however the K-opioid are part of this system and when turned on cause dramatic strange psychedelic trips. K-opioid antagonists would most likely treat schizophrenia best. Off topic but that is my hypothesis.
.... salvia is a serious drug! My overdose experience was the most dissociative and scary thing I have ever experienced on a substance!
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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No, I wouldn't say weed causes schizophrenia. It can trigger it if you already have it, yes. But it doesn't cause it.
If it would indeed cause it then I would have to be super schizophrenic. If I count the years then I must have literally smoked many kilo's of the strongest weed available. There were some unwanted effects, sure, but never psychosis.
Of course if you now suffer from psychosis you can think: if only I hadn't smoked then I wouldn't be where I am now. Maybe, but that is not the same as establishing a cause-effect relationship. It is a trigger.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Hanz]
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I was diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder a few years back, I worked my way out of a psychosis, but I still had pretty bad depression and occasional voices in my head.
After tripping for the first time on mushrooms, it all went away. I'm now over a year without any voices or depression. If anything, tripping made me more sane.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Achillita]
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So its 18 that you get schizo? Ive been drunk all day and im like 18 but ie been triping since 13 and have been scared as shit ima get it. Idk you guys think I could get it ive tripped on acid countless times smoked wax hash and hela bud drunk my ass off and done lots of shrooms and at least 20 DMT trips. Im just woird because im the age that you get that shit... Dont fuck around with me either im to drunk for jokes give it to me straight.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22218840 - 09/10/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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About 1% of the population has schizophrenia or some form of it. What really triggers schizophrenia is some sort of psychosis IME. I've been diagnosed with it, and now the psychiatrist says it's like I never had it.
All my symptoms disappeared after my first trip. But substance abuse can trigger schizophrenia. Schizophrenics are also more prone to substance abuse. Alcohol and cigarettes(as they're the most common) being pretty prevalent.
If you have people in your family that have it, you're more likely to have it. But it's all a matter of how sound your mind is. If you fall into any sort of psychosis, it's best to get help immediately. I was able to get out of mine without the use of anti psychotics but with tons of work.
I've noticed you've been drinking a lot recently thewanderer. Be careful man, I'd hate to see your life fuck up because of alcoholism
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Achillita]
#22219000 - 09/10/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22220084 - 09/11/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Well man, I'm gonna give you some advice. A while back I felt like I was in similar shoes, albeit not a drunk. But you can not focus on the past. Although it makes you who you are, it is not all there is.
Your life is in your own hands. Why should you focus on the pain and sadness when there is so much more to life? Focusing on such emotions puts yourself into this endless loop of self destruction. You just need to force change, you need to do something that actually makes you happy. Whether it is hang out with friends, or get a girlfriend, start doing some hobbies, just whatever that makes you happy.
But when emotions of anger, sadness, and pain arise, you shouldn't try and repress them. Accept them as a part of life and work through why exactly you are feeling them, and how can you change your life to make it better. It's all up to you in the end.
I'd hate to see you drink your life away. So the first step in this all is probably gonna be trying to cut back your drinking to every other day and eventually only on the weekends. Life is too good to want to drink it away.
But it's all up to you man. 
Sorry for derailing the thread guys.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22220287 - 09/11/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Dude you're like 18 you have so much life to live it'll get better at some point but you should probably stop drinking
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22221310 - 09/11/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Dude you're like 18 you have so much life to live it'll get better at some point but you should probably stop drinking

And if you're worried about psychosis etc, be very careful with the daily alcohol. There is a definite link between daily drinking and the onset of psychotic episodes. Maybe even more so than with weed. I'm sure about that.
Also, regardless of mental health, alcohol is not a very nice drug. There are drugs out there that are much more friendly, and don't make you their slave.
Time for a change man! Find something to give yourself a future to look forward to. Anything. And keep talking. I'm sure we all wish you the best.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#24332346 - 05/19/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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YourTimesGonnaCome said: As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault. After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed. I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger. That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia. Not the LSD itself. But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping. Too much for my own good. The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early. Thoughts?
I have always said that it wasnt psychs that caused schizophrenia but instead marijuana. High amounts.
I can take LSD 5 times a month and be fine but if i start smoking BHO everyday then in a few months ill be in a psych ward.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24332497 - 05/19/17 09:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Old thread But schizophrenia is a masked disease for a spiritual mind. There's no such thing as "schizophrenia" it's literally just a label for how somebody is acting. You could call them crazy and it'd be the same thing.
But crazy isn't a disease
Crazy is genius
Crazy is shunned in a society that lacks spiritual understanding and knowledge, so much so it's to a point of saying something is wrong with you if you are experiencing spiritual states of mind.
Most people that go "crazy" have had a kundalini chakra aligning experience, which blows open their energy centers especially crown and opens them to new realities never before perceived.
This person goes "crazy" in the head because he's looking for connection and grounding within his newfound world, but there is none around, because nobody understands him.
I have schizophrenia whatever that means Doesn't change how I live my life happily
Paranoid schizophrenia is much different, is when dopamine is low paranoia takes over the mind, and leads to irrational thinking/thoughts.
I don't call that schizo though, just simply paranoia to a severe level
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24332500 - 05/19/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#24332521 - 05/19/17 09:47 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paranoia is caused by chemical imbalances/Thc/anxiety/other
Schizophrenia is not paranoia, rather a spiritual state of mind known as "psychosis"
Paranoid schizo may be a case of possession, loss of "self" ungrounded thinking. Simply a case of overthinking anxiety to the extreme, to the point of creating false realities out of fear.
Western disease for a spiritual problem at the root.
Take it from somebody who has lost family members from Paranoid schizo.
I could go get diagnosed for schizophrenia any time I want simply because of my belief structures and how I think about reality. But I wouldn't be acting out of irrationality because it took me years to learn and adapt to the changes in a spiritually underdeveloped society.
But of course if I went in a few years ago, oh my there's aliens! Aliens abducted me! There's other wordly beings! Dimensional beings beyond this plane they talk to me every night we communicate and angels and ghosts are real!
Would be totally ungrounded thinking, but now that I know and accepted all that to be real, as well as with a majority of psychedelic users and trusting in my self and my experience
Soon after a spiritual awakening(mind opened to new realities) one seeks grounding and connection with the heart and root chakra, with out much of that found in western society instead people say there's something wrong with you, or you're crazy, when really your crown chakra and your perception of reality has just been vastly increased and you're trying to understand it all at once.
What is my disease again? I'm sorry the world doesn't understand interdimensional happenings yet, but one day soon.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24332614 - 05/19/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2010/01/21/schizophrenia-is-not-an-illness/
"The “diagnosis” of schizophrenia is nothing more than a label describing the very behaviors it purports to explain. And a destructive label at that, in that it stifles and suppresses genuine exploration into the true cause(s) of the problem, and genuine remediation of the original skill deficits."
People express mildly delusional ideas all the time. Listen to any talk radio show. Listen to politicians railing against their opponents. Listen to religious zealots. Listen to racial stereotypes. Listen to people who insist that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Listen to golfers after they’ve played a bad stroke. Listen to people who get passed over for promotion, etc., etc., etc.. The processes that promote this kind of mildly delusional speech can lead to severe delusions if the conditions are ripe.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24334285 - 05/19/17 09:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24336208 - 05/20/17 05:11 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is certainly one take on schizophrenia Eclipse.
Don't ever think you are "stuffed" in this dream. It's a dream. Anything can happen, just about. Just about.
Any corner you get backed into in life, there's a way out. The only exception is like, horrific loss of limbs or whatever, but even technology is solving this one.
Schizophrenia, or that syndrome, CAN result in touchdown in other realities. I say touchdown because it's like being very high. Very, very high. Going through them is like flying or sailing.
It is profound, beautiful.
Unfortunately while antipsychotics might make you more functional because you're happier to act like a robot, they make accessing these states more difficult because even towards beauty you become apathetic.
Reality is a tough cookie to crack.
Always take care of yourself. If you're sick, take planetary medicine -
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Low dose, and deliberately try to dry heave.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: beforethedawn]
#24337776 - 05/21/17 10:44 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, regardless of mental health, alcohol is not a very nice drug. There are drugs out there that are much more friendly, and don't make you their slave.
abuse something easier on the mind if possible until the hard times pass, maybe order some kratom, or maybe just start drinking a good amount of coffee and try and get out in the world and do something that feels fulfilling to you Too much time to think by yourself is really bad, I would know, I'm also 18 and i'm at the end of my senior year so I have too much time on my hands but drinking too much can lead to a really bath path, I am sending positive vibes your way, this life isn't easy, but we can make it through, things fluctuate and are sure to improve, it may be bad now, may get worse, but at some time it will inevitably improve Drinking is a pass time, I know if i were doing something better i would drink less, I have like 2 beers a day on average, but never go further than that, I know its bad but I'm going to reduce how much I drink in the next few weeks, some weeks its like 4 times a week, some times every day
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: beforethedawn]
#24337962 - 05/21/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Schizophrenia, or that syndrome, CAN result in touchdown in other realities. I say touchdown because it's like being very high. Very, very high. Going through them is like flying or sailing.
It is profound, beautiful.
Unfortunately while antipsychotics might make you more functional because you're happier to act like a robot, they make accessing these states more difficult because even towards beauty you become apathetic.
I might think it's the other way around
Touch down in other realities, results in schizophrenia until you find grounding(at the Root chakra) the "schizophrenia" happens because your crown chakra has been blown open, and you experienced other dimensions or realities.
Simply a made up disease for something simple as ungrounded thinking
Anti psychotics are useless, I've never gone to a doctor I escaped the "disease" my self because it's not actually real. Nothing is
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24338597 - 05/21/17 05:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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 I can mostly agree. I support your outspokenness because it's important people come around to these views. I am also very outspoken in the past about the status quo and how disconnected it is from reality.
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