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voodoochild1000
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: LiquidVisions]
#22216014 - 09/10/15 09:00 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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LiquidVisions said: I think that the activation of the k-opioid receptors is what causes schizophrenia. Salvia is an agonist of these receptors and I've experience paranoid schizophrenic thoughts and feelings while on it. I've felt as if i was in another dimension, I've seen shadow people and communicated with inanimate objects verbally and what they said was heard clear as day. I've felt like my thoughts weren't my own and I lost control of my coordination. Salvia = Schizophrenia. A lot of the medicines for schizophrenia work with the dopamine receptors and that seems to improve the symptoms however the K-opioid are part of this system and when turned on cause dramatic strange psychedelic trips. K-opioid antagonists would most likely treat schizophrenia best. Off topic but that is my hypothesis.
.... salvia is a serious drug! My overdose experience was the most dissociative and scary thing I have ever experienced on a substance!
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
#22216031 - 09/10/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rebelutionsssss said: That's why I semi stopped smoking because it was starting to I've me really brutal panic attacks
....awww man!.....I feel bad for your guys weed experiences. .
....weed is allways a beautiful launch point on peak...
.....can't imagine a trip without nuggies!
.....hardest part is actually loading the bowl!
.......best wishes!
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#22217425 - 09/10/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I wouldn't say weed causes schizophrenia. It can trigger it if you already have it, yes. But it doesn't cause it.
If it would indeed cause it then I would have to be super schizophrenic. If I count the years then I must have literally smoked many kilo's of the strongest weed available. There were some unwanted effects, sure, but never psychosis.
Of course if you now suffer from psychosis you can think: if only I hadn't smoked then I wouldn't be where I am now. Maybe, but that is not the same as establishing a cause-effect relationship. It is a trigger.
Hanz.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Hanz]
#22217454 - 09/10/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder a few years back, I worked my way out of a psychosis, but I still had pretty bad depression and occasional voices in my head.
After tripping for the first time on mushrooms, it all went away. I'm now over a year without any voices or depression. If anything, tripping made me more sane.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Achillita]
#22218795 - 09/10/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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So its 18 that you get schizo? Ive been drunk all day and im like 18 but ie been triping since 13 and have been scared as shit ima get it. Idk you guys think I could get it ive tripped on acid countless times smoked wax hash and hela bud drunk my ass off and done lots of shrooms and at least 20 DMT trips. Im just woird because im the age that you get that shit... Dont fuck around with me either im to drunk for jokes give it to me straight.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22218840 - 09/10/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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About 1% of the population has schizophrenia or some form of it. What really triggers schizophrenia is some sort of psychosis IME. I've been diagnosed with it, and now the psychiatrist says it's like I never had it.
All my symptoms disappeared after my first trip. But substance abuse can trigger schizophrenia. Schizophrenics are also more prone to substance abuse. Alcohol and cigarettes(as they're the most common) being pretty prevalent.
If you have people in your family that have it, you're more likely to have it. But it's all a matter of how sound your mind is. If you fall into any sort of psychosis, it's best to get help immediately. I was able to get out of mine without the use of anti psychotics but with tons of work.
I've noticed you've been drinking a lot recently thewanderer. Be careful man, I'd hate to see your life fuck up because of alcoholism
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Achillita]
#22219000 - 09/10/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22220084 - 09/11/15 04:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Well man, I'm gonna give you some advice. A while back I felt like I was in similar shoes, albeit not a drunk. But you can not focus on the past. Although it makes you who you are, it is not all there is.
Your life is in your own hands. Why should you focus on the pain and sadness when there is so much more to life? Focusing on such emotions puts yourself into this endless loop of self destruction. You just need to force change, you need to do something that actually makes you happy. Whether it is hang out with friends, or get a girlfriend, start doing some hobbies, just whatever that makes you happy.
But when emotions of anger, sadness, and pain arise, you shouldn't try and repress them. Accept them as a part of life and work through why exactly you are feeling them, and how can you change your life to make it better. It's all up to you in the end.
I'd hate to see you drink your life away. So the first step in this all is probably gonna be trying to cut back your drinking to every other day and eventually only on the weekends. Life is too good to want to drink it away.
But it's all up to you man. 
Sorry for derailing the thread guys.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: thewanderer25]
#22220287 - 09/11/15 06:07 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Dude you're like 18 you have so much life to live it'll get better at some point but you should probably stop drinking
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#22221310 - 09/11/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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thewanderer25 said: im just sad and drinking kills the pain and my hope is it will some day kill me as well. Im just done with life and would rather be a drunk than my normal self all I do is sit around and think of the past im stuck in life. But never mind that im derailing this thread and try and not drink and post im going to wake up tomorrow with a headache and be like "why did I post that" it happens every time.
Dude you're like 18 you have so much life to live it'll get better at some point but you should probably stop drinking

And if you're worried about psychosis etc, be very careful with the daily alcohol. There is a definite link between daily drinking and the onset of psychotic episodes. Maybe even more so than with weed. I'm sure about that.
Also, regardless of mental health, alcohol is not a very nice drug. There are drugs out there that are much more friendly, and don't make you their slave.
Time for a change man! Find something to give yourself a future to look forward to. Anything. And keep talking. I'm sure we all wish you the best.
Love, Hanz.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: YourTimesGonnaCome]
#24332346 - 05/19/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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YourTimesGonnaCome said: As someone who has schizophrenia that was induced by a bad trip, I don't think it was the LSD's fault. After recent experimentation with LSD (without weed), I think it was the weed. I would smoke 5 grams of weed in an hour long span while I was on acid when I was younger. That INTENSE marijuana trip was what caused my schizophrenia. Not the LSD itself. But the fact that I was smoking a lot while I was tripping. Too much for my own good. The LSD didn't help, but if I had not smoked weed on acid I think my latent schizophrenia wouldn't have been so intense/early. Thoughts?
I have always said that it wasnt psychs that caused schizophrenia but instead marijuana. High amounts.
I can take LSD 5 times a month and be fine but if i start smoking BHO everyday then in a few months ill be in a psych ward.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#24332497 - 05/19/17 09:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Old thread But schizophrenia is a masked disease for a spiritual mind. There's no such thing as "schizophrenia" it's literally just a label for how somebody is acting. You could call them crazy and it'd be the same thing.
But crazy isn't a disease
Crazy is genius
Crazy is shunned in a society that lacks spiritual understanding and knowledge, so much so it's to a point of saying something is wrong with you if you are experiencing spiritual states of mind.
Most people that go "crazy" have had a kundalini chakra aligning experience, which blows open their energy centers especially crown and opens them to new realities never before perceived.
This person goes "crazy" in the head because he's looking for connection and grounding within his newfound world, but there is none around, because nobody understands him.
I have schizophrenia whatever that means Doesn't change how I live my life happily
Paranoid schizophrenia is much different, is when dopamine is low paranoia takes over the mind, and leads to irrational thinking/thoughts.
I don't call that schizo though, just simply paranoia to a severe level
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24332500 - 05/19/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
#24332521 - 05/19/17 09:47 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:

Paranoia is caused by chemical imbalances/Thc/anxiety/other
Schizophrenia is not paranoia, rather a spiritual state of mind known as "psychosis"
Paranoid schizo may be a case of possession, loss of "self" ungrounded thinking. Simply a case of overthinking anxiety to the extreme, to the point of creating false realities out of fear.
Western disease for a spiritual problem at the root.
Take it from somebody who has lost family members from Paranoid schizo.
I could go get diagnosed for schizophrenia any time I want simply because of my belief structures and how I think about reality. But I wouldn't be acting out of irrationality because it took me years to learn and adapt to the changes in a spiritually underdeveloped society.
But of course if I went in a few years ago, oh my there's aliens! Aliens abducted me! There's other wordly beings! Dimensional beings beyond this plane they talk to me every night we communicate and angels and ghosts are real!
Would be totally ungrounded thinking, but now that I know and accepted all that to be real, as well as with a majority of psychedelic users and trusting in my self and my experience
Soon after a spiritual awakening(mind opened to new realities) one seeks grounding and connection with the heart and root chakra, with out much of that found in western society instead people say there's something wrong with you, or you're crazy, when really your crown chakra and your perception of reality has just been vastly increased and you're trying to understand it all at once.
What is my disease again? I'm sorry the world doesn't understand interdimensional happenings yet, but one day soon.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24332614 - 05/19/17 10:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2010/01/21/schizophrenia-is-not-an-illness/
"The “diagnosis” of schizophrenia is nothing more than a label describing the very behaviors it purports to explain. And a destructive label at that, in that it stifles and suppresses genuine exploration into the true cause(s) of the problem, and genuine remediation of the original skill deficits."
People express mildly delusional ideas all the time. Listen to any talk radio show. Listen to politicians railing against their opponents. Listen to religious zealots. Listen to racial stereotypes. Listen to people who insist that the Earth is only 6000 years old. Listen to golfers after they’ve played a bad stroke. Listen to people who get passed over for promotion, etc., etc., etc.. The processes that promote this kind of mildly delusional speech can lead to severe delusions if the conditions are ripe.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24334285 - 05/19/17 09:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24336208 - 05/20/17 05:11 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is certainly one take on schizophrenia Eclipse.
Don't ever think you are "stuffed" in this dream. It's a dream. Anything can happen, just about. Just about.
Any corner you get backed into in life, there's a way out. The only exception is like, horrific loss of limbs or whatever, but even technology is solving this one.
Schizophrenia, or that syndrome, CAN result in touchdown in other realities. I say touchdown because it's like being very high. Very, very high. Going through them is like flying or sailing.
It is profound, beautiful.
Unfortunately while antipsychotics might make you more functional because you're happier to act like a robot, they make accessing these states more difficult because even towards beauty you become apathetic.
Reality is a tough cookie to crack.
Always take care of yourself. If you're sick, take planetary medicine -
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Low dose, and deliberately try to dry heave.
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: beforethedawn]
#24337776 - 05/21/17 10:44 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, regardless of mental health, alcohol is not a very nice drug. There are drugs out there that are much more friendly, and don't make you their slave.
abuse something easier on the mind if possible until the hard times pass, maybe order some kratom, or maybe just start drinking a good amount of coffee and try and get out in the world and do something that feels fulfilling to you Too much time to think by yourself is really bad, I would know, I'm also 18 and i'm at the end of my senior year so I have too much time on my hands but drinking too much can lead to a really bath path, I am sending positive vibes your way, this life isn't easy, but we can make it through, things fluctuate and are sure to improve, it may be bad now, may get worse, but at some time it will inevitably improve Drinking is a pass time, I know if i were doing something better i would drink less, I have like 2 beers a day on average, but never go further than that, I know its bad but I'm going to reduce how much I drink in the next few weeks, some weeks its like 4 times a week, some times every day
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: beforethedawn]
#24337962 - 05/21/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said:
Schizophrenia, or that syndrome, CAN result in touchdown in other realities. I say touchdown because it's like being very high. Very, very high. Going through them is like flying or sailing.
It is profound, beautiful.
Unfortunately while antipsychotics might make you more functional because you're happier to act like a robot, they make accessing these states more difficult because even towards beauty you become apathetic.
I might think it's the other way around
Touch down in other realities, results in schizophrenia until you find grounding(at the Root chakra) the "schizophrenia" happens because your crown chakra has been blown open, and you experienced other dimensions or realities.
Simply a made up disease for something simple as ungrounded thinking
Anti psychotics are useless, I've never gone to a doctor I escaped the "disease" my self because it's not actually real. Nothing is
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Re: I don't think hallucinogens cause schizophrenia I think it's... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#24338597 - 05/21/17 05:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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 I can mostly agree. I support your outspokenness because it's important people come around to these views. I am also very outspoken in the past about the status quo and how disconnected it is from reality.
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