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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22094915 - 08/15/15 01:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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> I prefer the Democrats...

We know.




You're relentless, I'll give you that ... LMAO.

Anyone on this thread can tell you're a consistently party pushing republican ...

IMHO, the worst president, by far, of my lifetime has been GWB and I voted for him in 2000.  He almost sunk the country.  His decisions were the worst I've ever seen and Obama is an improvement, although a big disappointment. 


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22095040 - 08/15/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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The idea that Donald Trump can AND WILL fully self fund a presidential campaign all the way through if he wins the nomination is total and complete NONSENSE.  He is going to need donations and a lot of them.  Trump has already lost a lot of his lucrative cash flow generating projects (TV, clothing, etc.) and it takes CASH and lots of it to run political operation.  Most of Trump's wealth is on paper, in assets that are not so easily or quickly converted into cash.  In addition his hotel properties will begin losing business as more and more democrats intentionally choose NOT to check into his properties. 

He can handle the next few months on his own as he's mostly living off of free media exposure, but when the time comes to start buying ads and building a real ground game, Trump will do what everyone does ... go after big donations.  Will he be more "independent" than a Bush or Clinton?  Probably, but the idea that no one will be influencing him is total and complete nonsense.

I think Trump is good for the process as he is shaking things and I do think, if he were to win which I think is a huge longshot, he'd bring in a very, very different team of advisors, cabinet members and department heads than we've ever seen in American politics.  That might be good as a whole  generation of political insiders gets purged the system. 

We haven't really seen the dirt that a team like the Bushes or Clintons can turn up on a guy like Trump and I'd imagine it will be surprising when it starts to emerge. 

IMHO, America needs a constitutional convention to make some very serious changes to our system ... to bring in more direct democracy principles like Switzerland has, to limit the political season to 4 months total like some European nations do, to really reduce the impact of big money on politics and to generate MUCH MORE visibility and transparency into who is paying politicians for what favors.  A never ending political cycle where fund raising and campaigning begins the day after an election has got to stop.




Hi Orca...why is this bad?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: WAN]
    #22095116 - 08/15/15 02:54 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Hi Orca...why is this bad?




I really don't think Trump is as bad as some of the other GOP alternatives as truth is, on a lot of social issues he's pretty liberal.  He's liberal on socialized health care as well and I seriously doubt he is as gung ho to send in a giant ground invasion to the middle east as others are.  I'd like to see the long term political class of advisors that have been in there for 30  years thrown out including the Bushes, Roves, Kissingers, Greenspans, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, Wolfowitz, Summers, Paulson, etc.  ALL OF THE and Trump is the one most likely to do that.  I think he'd probably have some good efficient plans on infrastructure spending as well.

But I don't think he's electable.  He lies and exaggerates too much and they're going to trap him in them.  Plus, he's too liberal to win in the South.

But, we'll see.  He's a wild card and could surprise.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22095192 - 08/15/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He lies and exaggerates too much...






If that was a disqualifier, we wouldn't have gotten stuck with Obama...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22095571 - 08/15/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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He lies and exaggerates too much...






If that was a disqualifier, we wouldn't have gotten stuck with Obama...




I don't think any of us are naive enough to think that politicians don't lie, but there are obviously lies and there are LIES!


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22096040 - 08/15/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Attorney for the IT firm that had Clinton's email server said in an interview on Thursday that there is another server that had copies of Hillary's email files. 

God, I hope they nail that bitch and indict her.  If ever there was a time when America NEEDS its criminal justice system to work, this is it.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22096322 - 08/15/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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They ARE NOT all the same.  There is absolutely no frigging way possible that Gore or Clinton would have launched an enormous ground invasion of Iraq in 2003.  Would they have increased sanctions or maybe some targeted strikes?  Probably.  But a full scale ground invasion with a multi trillion dollar nation building program that still continues?  No frigging way.




if their bosses say jump they jump




You're missing the bigger point.  They have DIFFERENT bosses.  Do you truly think the Koch's are asking for the same things that Soros or Steyer or the Teachers union of California are asking for?  That's what you're missing.  Do you think that when Gore's group gives millions they're asking for the same things that Exxon is asking for?  Get serious, bud.  The different parties have different "bosses" as you call it and they push for different things ... in some cases radically different things.

There is no "ONE BOSS" that controls the whole thing.  There are lots of people trying to push things this way and that way.  The notion that there's an uber controlling super boss at the top is utter an complete nonsense.




they DONT have different bosses, they have  Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, Lazard, Warburg, Schroder and Schiff. these families control everything and have more money HIDDEN in assetts and sheltered, than the koch bros will ever see, those people LITERALLY own ALL of the money, you borrow their money to use, they OWN It, and you pay them EVERY time you use ANY money.

the koch bros cant even wipe the bosses asses...

learn how it really works, now how they want you to think it works.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22096714 - 08/15/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Hillary was a hit at the Iowa state fair. Politicians are pretty fake to begin with, but Hillary takes the cake.

Here's some funny photo ops.

This pork chop it a total prop. She's got the Fred Flintstone grip with two perfect bites taken out of the chop. I'm sure one of her aides was forced to bite her pork.

Look everyone!!! I'm just like yoooo!


Need to get a pic so they think I ate some. Eyes wide open Hillary.


Evidence of bites. Hey ya'll, I'm hopping in a pickup just like yoo's alls do.
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Hey Timmy!!! If we weren't here in front of everyone I'd bite your face off and make you wet your pants. Smile!



Here's the article if anyone's interested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3199402/Americans-don-t-care-emails-never-ask-claims-Clinton-descends-Iowa-State-Fair.html
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Americans don't care about my emails - they 'never' ask me about them, claims Clinton as she descends on the Iowa State Fair




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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22097470 - 08/16/15 03:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ya know, I remember when McCain was running and all we heard from the left was old he was, now we got Hillary, BS, maybe Biden, all old as fuck, the hypocrisy is stunning...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22097486 - 08/16/15 03:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The left progressive movement has been all about being young hip and cool. The combined age of Biden, Bernie, and Hillary is 212. Hillary reminds me of a show biz pizza robot when she's on stage, and I don't see the younger crowd buying her BS for a second.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22097701 - 08/16/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i have no idea what a showbiz pizza robot is,

but i agree... the face they have the left put up is young and ready to make a difference... and hillary isnt either, she's a war monger and a liar... i dont think the emails change that one way or the other, and i dont think the emails will turn up anything damaging either.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22097708 - 08/16/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

the politicians KNOW they work for rockefeller's and rothschilds, they must. bill gates money is 50 or 60 billion. rothschild money is 500 or 600 billion... but no one actually knows how much it is, those are just estimations and guesses. its at least a factor of 10 above everyone on the "richest people list"

so they KNOW who they are working for.

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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22097826 - 08/16/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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i have no idea what a showbiz pizza robot is,

but i agree... the face they have the left put up is young and ready to make a difference... and hillary isnt either, she's a war monger and a liar... i dont think the emails change that one way or the other, and i dont think the emails will turn up anything damaging either.




Here's Billy Bob of Show-biz Pizza. Showbiz was the low rent version of Chuck E Cheese.


Well. there aren't any emails considering she deleted all of them, and the main issue will be how she handled that data. Obama has total control of her with the server investigation and whatever he wants he gets. Obama doesn't want her fucking up his shit so she's a goner, and all we can do is watch her fade away just like 2008.

As far as the one party going on. I think with what has transpired since last years midterm it's clear we have been sold out by the right. I know there's a way bigger picture, but minus the detailed NWO talk, this is seen by a majority of this country now. The fix is in for your average everyday joe to recognize.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
    #22097876 - 08/16/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That looks just like her, wide eyes and all. Lol.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22097905 - 08/16/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The email thing is really bad news for hitlery, I was watching Judge Jeanine on that evil Fox News last night and she was citing actual laws we know for a fact we're broken, even if the emails have been deleted... Which is BS anyway because the NSA has them somewhere too


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22098023 - 08/16/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Attorney for the IT firm that had Clinton's email server said in an interview on Thursday that there is another server that had copies of Hillary's email files. 

God, I hope they nail that bitch and indict her.  If ever there was a time when America NEEDS its criminal justice system to work, this is it.




Hi Orca, sorry to bother you again, but what is the difference between "indict" and "prosecute" in a political sense?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22098056 - 08/16/15 09:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ya know, I remember when McCain was running and all we heard from the left was old he was, now we got Hillary, BS, maybe Biden, all old as fuck, the hypocrisy is stunning...




Yeah and I remember the right telling us experienced mattered, but then they were like actually nah let's elect a neurosurgeon or reality tv star.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #22098104 - 08/16/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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ya know, I remember when McCain was running and all we heard from the left was old he was, now we got Hillary, BS, maybe Biden, all old as fuck, the hypocrisy is stunning...




Yeah and I remember the right telling us experienced mattered, but then they were like actually nah let's elect a neurosurgeon or reality tv star.




Since you bring up experience, Trump has experience running billion dollar corporations, does that make him qualified?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: WAN]
    #22098111 - 08/16/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Attorney for the IT firm that had Clinton's email server said in an interview on Thursday that there is another server that had copies of Hillary's email files. 

God, I hope they nail that bitch and indict her.  If ever there was a time when America NEEDS its criminal justice system to work, this is it.




Hi Orca, sorry to bother you again, but what is the difference between "indict" and "prosecute" in a political sense?




Hi Wan - No bother at all ... I would guess an indictment is part of the prosecution process and it is the first step of officially beginning the prosecution phase as opposed to the investigation phase where we are now.  An indictment means the prosecution feels there's enough evidence to move the case toward trial.  Politically, I think it would be impossible for her to stay in the race although technically, I think it's possible to stay in the race, even under indictment.  However, her support would crumble and the leaders of the party would call on her to drop out for the good of the part. 

With the clintons, it seems nothing is for certain though.  Anything could happen.  I'd just like to see them take that bitch away in handcuffs.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22098163 - 08/16/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

An indictment is a criminal charge. A grand jury is seated which considers whether to issue the indictment. If they do, then it goes to trial. The other way is for the prosecutor to issue an information which is a criminal charge. They may use slightly different terminology in a few parts of the country. The reason to bring it to a grand jury instead of the prosecutor issuing charges himself is because it removes some basis to accuse the prosecutor of bias since it was the gj which decided to charge the defendant.

Its up to obumble in the final analysis whether to present it to the g jury. He is known not to like the Clintons much so this allows him to remain in the background white the atty general does the work. Same way he allowed the bitch leonhart he put in charge of the dea to go after medical pot users and providers while pretending not to know what was going on or that she was independent. Its all political theater but the media lets it slide since its dems doing it.


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