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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22092459 - 08/14/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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what exactly will amnesty do?

what did it do when reagan ran his amnesty program?

im sure your think leaders have told you that was different... for some insane reason...

but what did it do?




Flood a stagnent job market with millions of low skilled, low wage workers...

Proved most Latinos will vote democrat no matter what you do for them(hence the democrat rush to get it done)




that was funny.

i guess thats my problem i care about economics, and justice, but i dont care if people vote for apples or apples.



Asked and answered, be honest, do you really think that if 60-70% of Latinos voted GOP, Obama would be doing what he's doing? Hell no! We'd prolly have a fence by now, lol


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22092482 - 08/14/15 07:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

>do you really think that if 60-70% of Latinos voted GOP, Obama would be doing what he's doing? Hell no! We'd prolly have a fence by now, lol

Tell it like it is, bro. And the fools think politicians are too honest to steal votes. They will steal anything they can get away with.

The media may not be actively defending hitlery at the moment, but they have little choice but to report what is going on. If it was a repub getting investigated it would be on the front page every day with a blow by blow.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22092489 - 08/14/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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what exactly will amnesty do?

what did it do when reagan ran his amnesty program?

im sure your think leaders have told you that was different... for some insane reason...

but what did it do?




Flood a stagnent job market with millions of low skilled, low wage workers...

Proved most Latinos will vote democrat no matter what you do for them(hence the democrat rush to get it done)




that was funny.

i guess thats my problem i care about economics, and justice, but i dont care if people vote for apples or apples.



Asked and answered, be honest, do you really think that if 60-70% of Latinos voted GOP, Obama would be doing what he's doing? Hell no! We'd prolly have a fence by now, lol




lol you still think politics is reps vs dems.

yer so funny


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093382 - 08/15/15 03:06 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here's a good one that shows how Obama's team has the media working to move Hillary out of the race. If they were at all on her side and supporting her in any way, they could have easily let this one slide and not cover it. The fact that it came from one of the three letter networks is telling as well. Plus the state department wouldn't have let this little circumstantial detail loose if they weren't out to get her.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tips-deleting-emails-email-book-hillary-clinton-wanted/story?id=33046042

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The last batch of Hillary Clinton emails released by the State Department included one from Clinton asking to borrow a book called “Send: Why People Email So Badly and How to Do It Better,” by David Shipley and Will Schwalbe.

Take, for example, Chapter Six: “The Email That Can Land You In Jail.” The chapter includes a section entitled “How to Delete Something So It Stays Deleted.”




  Hillary has Soros's BLM team on her side with a little disruption at a Jeb Bush event. Nowhere near Bernie level but still a pain in the ass. Looked like a few white people got thrown a few bucks.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/black-lives-matter-protesters-protest-jeb-bush-event-sot-ctn.cnn


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093581 - 08/15/15 05:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

That's what's so frustrating, GOP is so damn eager to be liked by democrats, GW let Ted Kennedy write the education bill, dems still hate him. I just wish they'd learn that the two party system works well when there is actual opposition to each other, not so much when one is just a watered down version of the other...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22093586 - 08/15/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's what's so frustrating, GOP is so damn eager to be liked by democrats,




its the same people man... there is no GOP ...there are no DEMS its just THE One and only political machine.

there are the controlling overloads, and the slaves.

you are a slave.

the controlling overloads created the GOP and the DEMS to confuse you, so you dont pay attention to them crushing your soul.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093606 - 08/15/15 05:34 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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That's what's so frustrating, GOP is so damn eager to be liked by democrats,




its the same people man... there is no GOP ...there are no DEMS its just THE One and only political machine.

there are the controlling overloads, and the slaves.

you are a slave.

the controlling overloads created the GOP and the DEMS to confuse you, so you dont pay attention to them crushing your soul.




Oooooh! I see what you're saying, kinda like Target is doing with their toys, there are no boys or girls toys, there is just TOYS... I see what you mean...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22093612 - 08/15/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that is EXACTLY what i mean.

only much more a part of your daily life.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093768 - 08/15/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

While rxb has a point about dem and gop working for the same masters to bring about the same things, he is mistaken that they are the same. They are groups of greedy politicians trying to grab more loot and power for themselves and for their state, their party and so on. A dem wants his party to be in control because he personally will benefit from that. He may get plum committee assignments, perks etc. If gop controls a state legislature, they want to keep that control and there is nothing fake about their competition with dems.

They put on a lot of fake stage stuff, pretending they will block a bill, like the dems did with the tpp issues, but then just enough cross over to make it happen anyway. At the core its every man for himself and their loyalty to the party stems from self interest. They only collude with the other party to bring about orders from up top and I don't mean obumble. The big bosses buy the votes they need, arrange the drama, and keep all the pols happy. 

If we could stop legal bribery in all its ugly forms, most of this would not happen


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22093799 - 08/15/15 07:20 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

My point exactly, people tend to blame corporations for buying politicians, while rarely looking at the corrupt pols themselves. All the lobbying that is done, is basically paying pols to do their bidding. It's baffling to see people outraged at citizens United while basically ignoring the lobbyists...


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22093819 - 08/15/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

The idea that Donald Trump can AND WILL fully self fund a presidential campaign all the way through if he wins the nomination is total and complete NONSENSE.  He is going to need donations and a lot of them.  Trump has already lost a lot of his lucrative cash flow generating projects (TV, clothing, etc.) and it takes CASH and lots of it to run political operation.  Most of Trump's wealth is on paper, in assets that are not so easily or quickly converted into cash.  In addition his hotel properties will begin losing business as more and more democrats intentionally choose NOT to check into his properties. 

He can handle the next few months on his own as he's mostly living off of free media exposure, but when the time comes to start buying ads and building a real ground game, Trump will do what everyone does ... go after big donations.  Will he be more "independent" than a Bush or Clinton?  Probably, but the idea that no one will be influencing him is total and complete nonsense.

I think Trump is good for the process as he is shaking things and I do think, if he were to win which I think is a huge longshot, he'd bring in a very, very different team of advisors, cabinet members and department heads than we've ever seen in American politics.  That might be good as a whole  generation of political insiders gets purged the system. 

We haven't really seen the dirt that a team like the Bushes or Clintons can turn up on a guy like Trump and I'd imagine it will be surprising when it starts to emerge. 

IMHO, America needs a constitutional convention to make some very serious changes to our system ... to bring in more direct democracy principles like Switzerland has, to limit the political season to 4 months total like some European nations do, to really reduce the impact of big money on politics and to generate MUCH MORE visibility and transparency into who is paying politicians for what favors.  A never ending political cycle where fund raising and campaigning begins the day after an election has got to stop.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22093838 - 08/15/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

oh so you think that even tho they are working for the same thing with the same goal, that they arent fooling around about the struggle...

well im glad they only fooled you halfway.

most people are fooled the whole way.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093857 - 08/15/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

rxb, they do not work for the same thing unless you mean self interest. You have this fantasy about mindless robots who only care about the big mission. The big bosses do not micromanage everything a politician does. They only give orders for the big stuff, the tpp, sending obumble off to war, more tax breaks for the super wealthy and so on. The average pol in the trenches takes the orders because they come with cash. If no cash, then no obedience.

Do you really think a dem politician with a committee chairmanship will let his party go out of power when it means a new speaker will appoint new chairmen and it won't be him? You think they have no self interest at all? Wake up and smell the coffee.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
    #22093902 - 08/15/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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rxb, they do not work for the same thing unless you mean self interest




they work for the exact same goals, of the exact same people.

obama is a co-worker with boehner...

they have the SAME agenda. part of that agenda is to make YOU think they are on opposite sides, which keeps you from complaining and fighting against whats being taken from you, or even noticing.

the people they work for are the people who own the real banks, the ultra large banks, the banks which fund other banks, in the us that bank is the federal reserve, but these banks exist in all countries, and the owners of these banks own everything and make policy (yes the federal reserve is privately owned)...

the public policies of the federal reserve and the chairpersons have very little at all to do with who runs the government.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093930 - 08/15/15 08:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

here is a list of who runs this country (and almost all other countries)

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22093959 - 08/15/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

So, rxb, who do you support for pres?


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22094017 - 08/15/15 08:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
    #22094036 - 08/15/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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here is a list of who runs this country (and almost all other countries)

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html




Bonus question #1:  Where do the profits (interest income) of the Federal Reserve go?  Who gets them? 

Bonus question #2: If you look at the chart that you posted (from 1976) about the Federal Reserve Member Banks, you'll notice that a number of them are  no longer in business.  How is it possible if they control the show?

I think this document here will give you a much clearer picture of the global corporate matrix of financial power ... I say power, not control, because they don't control everything.  They obviously have influence but the true share ownership of all these financial centers of influence is actually very broad, often through enormous pools of institutional funds (retirement funds, mostly). 

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.5728.pdf

The reality is we have two different tiers of government on the planet.  The first is a global corporate layer that includes banks, energy, food, defense contractors and big pharma that have an interest in exploiting resources and cheap labor.  They push policies for this.  The other tier (not above or below) is sovereign state government, elected and non (China, for instance) that institute the governing policies, laws, etc. that run nations.  These two tiers interact, often conflict and fight for authority, control, influence, etc.  The Federal Reserve member banks DO NOT run the world and you are deeply  mistaken if you think this is true.

There are many competing authoritative elements on our planet.  Consider that the Justice Department fined the big banks (All Fed Members) over 150 BILLION dollars over the last 3 years.  That is a TON OF DOUGH.  If the banks control the Executive Branch, then why are these huge fines being levied?  These fines hit shareholders of these banks hard.

It's much more complicated than a simplistic statement that the FED owns the world, because they don't.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #22094211 - 08/15/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

KO, you are correct. While the big shots do control a lot, they do not control everything. The only reason our politicians take orders from them is because of the bribes. No bribes, no obedience.


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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #22094408 - 08/15/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

well if you are asking which candidates i like the best, its probably paul.

but i dont think it really matters since they are all the same


as far as the names on that list consolidating, they all boil down to 5 families and then corporations and people controlled by those families...


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