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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22098285 - 08/16/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: The email thing is really bad news for hitlery, I was watching Judge Jeanine on that evil Fox News last night and she was citing actual laws we know for a fact we're broken, even if the emails have been deleted... Which is BS anyway because the NSA has them somewhere too
By rule of law standards she's fucked, but as lawless as they are there's no telling how they will spin things to keep her clean. Everyone and their mother has a copy of that entire server, but the only use it serves at this point is for blackmail purposes. It's being used right now against Hillary by the state department since she knows they have it, but she doesn't know how much or what parts of the emails they're going to release.
The server probably had data from their foundation on it which could be used by another party to blackmail her IF she ever gets into office. Governments have the data for sure but who knows how many fringe hackers got their hands on it. That hacker named Guccifer hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email and read all sorts of Benghazi emails from Hillary.
https://pando.com/2015/03/20/exclusive-interview-jailed-hacker-guccifer-boasts-i-used-to-read-hillarys-memos-for-six-seven-hours-and-then-do-the-gardening/
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Back in the Arad penitentiary, I ask Lehel about his heyday. Was it worth it? “I had memos Hillary Clinton got as a State Secretary, with CIA briefings. These were being read by her, two other people from the US Government, and Guccifer. I used to read her memos for six-seven hours and then I’d get up and do the gardening in the yard,” he says.
Here's a good breakdown and specifics of the obvious server crimes of Hillary that are out there already.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
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hostileuniverse said: The email thing is really bad news for hitlery, I was watching Judge Jeanine on that evil Fox News last night and she was citing actual laws we know for a fact we're broken, even if the emails have been deleted... Which is BS anyway because the NSA has them somewhere too
By rule of law standards she's fucked, but as lawless as they are there's no telling how they will spin things to keep her clean. Everyone and their mother has a copy of that entire server, but the only use it serves at this point is for blackmail purposes. It's being used right now against Hillary by the state department since she knows they have it, but she doesn't know how much or what parts of the emails they're going to release.
The server probably had data from their foundation on it which could be used by another party to blackmail her IF she ever gets into office. Governments have the data for sure but who knows how many fringe hackers got their hands on it. That hacker named Guccifer hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email and read all sorts of Benghazi emails from Hillary.
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This thing is very close to the point where it's going to be impossible for her to contain the damage. I think it's already there and there's no way, with a GOP Senate and House, the FBI can just ignore this or do a lame investigation. The FBI may report up through the executive branch, but they get their funding from Congress and there are a lot of high powered GOP senators that have lot of influence with the FBI. The AG takes a huge risk in a scandal like this if she steps in and just squelches it. This one feels to me like it's going to play out.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098380 - 08/16/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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KO, I hope you are right but I've seen too many things swept under the carpet to think it can't be done again. It all comes down to what obumble wants. If he wants her gone, she is gone. If he wants her to stay, or has been paid off enough, she will stay. No matter what the gop wants, they do not control the presidency and by extension, do not control the ag. They can cut funding if they want but the media will spin it as pouting tea party activists trying to get even with obumble or whatever story line they pick.
Don't go thinking obumble is so rich now that he is immune to bribery. He has picked up a lot of loot, and more to come once he is out of office and can make speeches for a few hundred k each. But being a mere millionaire is like being a bum in the circles he wants to travel. We shall see how it plays out. This has become an interesting election cycle.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
#22098445 - 08/16/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: KO, I hope you are right but I've seen too many things swept under the carpet to think it can't be done again. It all comes down to what obumble wants. If he wants her gone, she is gone. If he wants her to stay, or has been paid off enough, she will stay. No matter what the gop wants, they do not control the presidency and by extension, do not control the ag. They can cut funding if they want but the media will spin it as pouting tea party activists trying to get even with obumble or whatever story line they pick.
Don't go thinking obumble is so rich now that he is immune to bribery. He has picked up a lot of loot, and more to come once he is out of office and can make speeches for a few hundred k each. But being a mere millionaire is like being a bum in the circles he wants to travel. We shall see how it plays out. This has become an interesting election cycle.
I think a lot of people believe the president is a lot more powerful than he really is. Our government, as fucked up as it is by money and influence, has a number of checks and balances that put limits on what you can do to over steer the process. Obama is risk adverse, tends to play it safe if he can and there is no way in hell he is going to risk a huge stain on his presidency by getting too involved in this thing with the Clintons. I think he is actually pushing the prosecution of them, but very discreetly so the public never finds out. Obama doesn't strike me as being hyper money motivated. I don't think he'll go the route of the Clintons ... He'll give high priced speeches, no doubt, but I'd expect him to follow the post presidency of a guy like Carter a lot more than the Clinton model. He'll write books and position himself as a social activist as he just doesn't seem all that interested in being a global money player.
The congressional players on the big committees have a lot more power than people realize. Funding, investigations, appointments, etc. That stuff matters. They will be there when Obama is gone and the FBI knows that.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098489 - 08/16/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the president has no power at all.
he is the puppet of the global bankers.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098506 - 08/16/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: the president has no power at all.
he is the puppet of the global bankers.
Why then has Obama's DOJ fined them over 150 Billion over the last 5 years?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098508 - 08/16/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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not the bankers.... the global bankers.
you keep saying things you clearly dont understand well... your definition of indictment was wrong... you think that bankers and global bankers are the same...
why dont you sit back and read, you'll learn something... research the rothschild family... you'll learn something.
instead of just blindly believing this bullshit dem vs rep... figure out what its keeping you from seeing.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098516 - 08/16/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: not the bankers.... the global bankers.
Why would the "global bankers" allow Obama to confiscate 150 billion in profits?
Think this answer through very carefully.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098522 - 08/16/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the rothschilds do not care if obama fines any bank any ammount of money.
anytime money changes hands the rothschilds make more money.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098536 - 08/16/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: the rothschilds do not care if obama fines any bank any ammount of money.
anytime money changes hands the rothschilds make more money.
If that's true, why would they care at all what any politician does? Why would they pull any strings at all? You're just defeated your central argument.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098548 - 08/16/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it IS true.. they own all money its been true for hundred of years...they have over 500 BILLION dollars, thats 10 times what bill gates and the koch bros and all the other people you think are the 'richest' PEOPLE have.
the reason is they ARE The money, everyone has debt to them.
all currencies, globally. is based on debts to a few families... the rothschilds are prominant.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098564 - 08/16/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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the reason they DO pull strings is to have more money and more power.
the way they doubled their money a few times was based on faking out the stock market...or outright rigging it.
they create wars because they make money on wars... they sometimes topple empires.
this isnt hard to look up, its a known history.
they just dont want you paying attention to it.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098571 - 08/16/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: it IS true.. they own all money its been true for hundred of years...they have over 500 BILLION dollars, thats 10 times what bill gates and the koch bros and all the other people you think are the 'richest' PEOPLE have.
the reason is they ARE The money, everyone has debt to them.
all currencies, globally. is based on debts to a few families... the rothschilds are prominant.
500 Billion is a lot, but on the global scale, it's not that much. The global derivatives total value right is over 850 TRILLION dollars. Apple alone is valued at about 750 Billion. There are institutional funds (retirement, mostly) that have investments over 1 trillion.
There was a time when the European Banking Families ran the show, the the global economy passed them by. They are out there, but they don't control global politics. They just clip chips of profits at the transaction intersections and hide in their caves from public view like rats.
Here's where the real economic power is. Read this and let go of your 1976 conspiracy chart.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098575 - 08/16/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well a half trillion is only an estimation.
it doesnt count a lot of things.
but you should do more research
on everything, not just the kingmakers.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098592 - 08/16/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aren't the rothchilds Jewish?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098596 - 08/16/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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rxb said: well a half trillion is only an estimation.
it doesnt count a lot of things.
but you should do more research
on everything, not just the kingmakers.
You're stuck in the past with your Rothschildes and Rockafellers theories. The world passed them by. The world is far more complex than your simple control theory. They had their time and their President (GHWB) and they couldn't pull it off. As such, they're influence is steadily falling.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
#22098604 - 08/16/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know some rothschilds.
you are wrong...REALLY wrong.
but im not asking you to take my word for it...take theirs.
and look up what the rothschild family net worth is....all you will find are HUGE estimations.
but they have too much money to actually know.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
#22098719 - 08/16/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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This thing is very close to the point where it's going to be impossible for her to contain the damage. I think it's already there and there's no way, with a GOP Senate and House, the FBI can just ignore this or do a lame investigation. The FBI may report up through the executive branch, but they get their funding from Congress and there are a lot of high powered GOP senators that have lot of influence with the FBI. The AG takes a huge risk in a scandal like this if she steps in and just squelches it. This one feels to me like it's going to play out.
I don't know how they could manage to let her slide or get out of this unscathed, but it would be unbelievable to see her found guilty and have her officially marked as a criminal. It's really just a matter of time before she jumps ship in some fashion but there's something major that has to happen to stir the pot. I'm just waiting for a wild card to get thrown into the mix.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
#22098750 - 08/16/15 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know how they could manage to let her slide or get out of this unscathed, but it would be unbelievable to see her found guilty and have her officially marked as a criminal. It's really just a matter of time before she jumps ship in some fashion but there's something major that has to happen to stir the pot. I'm just waiting for a wild card to get thrown into the mix.
It'll prolly be handled the same way it was with Bill, if I lied to a grand jury, which is a felony, I'd be in prison, he just lost his law license, and as we all know he didn't plan being a lawyer anymore, was that really punishment? She'll prolly receive the same inconsequential punishment...
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
#22098809 - 08/16/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can see how she started doing a play on words when she spoke and denied that the emails were classified. She made it a point to say there was nothing classified "At the time they were sent or received" She must have talked to her lawyer or Bill to coach her on that. It has since been confirmed they were classified when generated so she can't use this as a defense unless they change their story.
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