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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said: You can see how she started doing a play on words when she spoke and denied that the emails were classified. She made it a point to say there was nothing classified "At the time they were sent or received" She must have talked to her lawyer or Bill to coach her on that. It has since been confirmed they were classified when generated so she can't use this as a defense unless they change their story.
Hillary's now in the zone of calling the intelligence community a bunch of liars.
That's not going to work out well for her. They know what they sent her and they know it was classified at the time they sent it. They're not going to allow themselves to look incompetent and stupid to help the Clintons. She's playing a really risky game.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>Obama doesn't strike me as being hyper money motivated. I don't think he'll go the route of the Clintons ... He'll give high priced speeches, no doubt I'd expect him to follow the post presidency of a guy like Carter a lot more than the Clinton model. He'll write books and position himself as a social activist
Lol, just when I started to think you were a moderate, you show your true stripes. Obumble compared to carter is like shrub compared to einstien. Obumble has done nothing for humanity but make speeches. I agree he will do more of that but carter actually did some good.
> he just doesn't seem all that interested in being a global money player.
Everyone wants money, that bum wants it too. He will not become a "global money player" whatever that means, from bitchlary's bribe but a few million will get his attention. He has whored the presidency already for political ends, money means living large, having several homes, etc. He may not be as greedy as the Clintons but he will sell out.
>I think a lot of people believe the president is a lot more powerful than he really is. Our government, as fucked up as it is by money and influence, has a number of checks and balances that put limits on what you can do to over steer the process. Obama is risk adverse, tends to play it safe if he can and there is no way in hell he is going to risk a huge stain on his presidency by getting too involved in this thing with the Clintons. I think he is actually pushing the prosecution of them, but very discreetly so the public never finds out.
The ag takes orders from obumble, if he says let her off, she gets off. If it looks like that would be too controversial, he can always delay it as long as he wishes. What would happen if the ag says nothing to see here? The pubs will bitch and moan, the media will laugh at them and the sheep will believe what the media says. Must I remind you of Nixon who fired his ag when he refused orders to fire the independent council? He finally got his way but was so clumsy about it he was forced out. That was with a hostile media which obumble doesn't have to worry about.
They are probably negotiating the price right now. But I'm sure that if the ag lets her off, you will tell us obumble wanted her prosecuted but the ag decided otherwise, lol.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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The ag takes orders from obumble, if he says let her off, she gets off. If it looks like that would be too controversial, he can always delay it as long as he wishes. What would happen if the ag says nothing to see here? The pubs will bitch and moan, the media will laugh at them and the sheep will believe what the media says. Must I remind you of Nixon who fired his ag when he refused orders to fire the independent council? He finally got his way but was so clumsy about it he was forced out. That was with a hostile media which obumble doesn't have to worry about.
They are probably negotiating the price right now. But I'm sure that if the ag lets her off, you will tell us obumble wanted her prosecuted but the ag decided otherwise, lol.
They do not operate in a vacuum. There are serious simultaneous investigations, subpoenas, witnesses going under oath, lawsuits. It's not that easy to say "nothing to see here" when evidence is peeking up every day because of other processes the AG cannot stop.
I think you are dramatically under estimating the role of the intelligence community in this entire situation. They are not going to roll over for Hillary or Obama and clearly they are going to provide the evidence that classified information was, indeed, sent to Clinton.
Obama and Lynch don't control this process. They are on it for the ride now.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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i doubt anything hillary actually did was any more dangerous than if she had done it the proper way.
despite my friendship and kinship with marcus ranum (maybe even because of it), washington isnt exactly KNOWN for having the best network security.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>They do not operate in a vacuum. There are serious simultaneous investigations, subpoenas, witnesses going under oath, lawsuits. It's not that easy to say "nothing to see here" when evidence is peeking up every day because of other processes the AG cannot stop.
That could happen. It has not happened yet and may not
>I think you are dramatically under estimating the role of the intelligence community in this entire situation. They are not going to roll over for Hillary or Obama and clearly they are going to provide the evidence that classified information was, indeed, sent to Clinton.
I think you vastly underestimate the power of the media and the presidency itself. They do not have absolute power but enough to do the job. The spooks are not going to publish top secret documents that they sent her, that would be a crime and allow obumble to change the focus to them. The media will not cooperate with any conservatives or gop, where are they going to get traction?
>Obama and Lynch don't control this process.
If the investigation drags on forever with no results, or they decide not to go forward, what will happen? People will bitch on the internet, the sheep will believe what they are told and it will fade from memory. The next president may reopen it but it may be too late. If its the president you want, he/she will continue the cover up.
Don't forget, obumble and also other presidents have exceeded their authority many times with no repercussions. Obumble having pushed it the furthest. What happened? Nothing, people bitched on the internet, the sheep forgot and its all over.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Don't forget, obumble and also other presidents have exceeded their authority many times with no repercussions. Obumble having pushed it the furthest. What happened? Nothing, people bitched on the internet, the sheep forgot and its all over.
Your nonstop campaign to degrade and destroy Obama overlooks a lot of very obvious factors such as:
1. If Presidential power is so controlling why did the Iran Contra investigation happen to Reagan? Why did Clinton get impeached over Monica Lewinsky? Why did JFK get taken out by the CIA? Why did Nixon get nailed? Why did J Edgar Hoover scare the living shit out of every president that was elected while he headed the FBI? The President is just one facet of power in this country and doesn't control nearly as much as people think.
2. The Clintons have complained for decades that the Press has never been friendly to them or on their side. They are deeply suspicious of the Press. How is this possible if the liberal press is always helping the Democrats?
3. The intelligence community was FURIOUS that Obama prosecuted David Patreus. They are looking for payback. They've never liked the Clintons anyway and no doubt they have a ton of evidence of top secret docs sent to Hillary over the years.
4. This entire investigation of Hillary is happening by forces the President can't control. The very reason the AG is looking into it is because of GOP led investigations that are turning up evidence that is unsettling. Obama/Lynch have no control of this process. It's being driven by Congressional investigations and FOIA lawsuits.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Why did JFK get taken out by the CIA?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
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He wasn't going to play along with secret societies. Who even knows for sure if it was the CIA who did it.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
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i just enjoyed how orca decided we just all agreed with this and moved along.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: i doubt anything hillary actually did was any more dangerous than if she had done it the proper way.
despite my friendship and kinship with marcus ranum (maybe even because of it), washington isnt exactly KNOWN for having the best network security.
You are kidding, right? They have confirmed she had Top Secret documents (at least one) onher private email server.
That,is 5 years leavenworth right there. Oh, and the fact that she gave her lawyer classiied information on a thumbnail drive? Each one she gave him is a felony she comitted. People in the military or civil service who handle classified material like that routinely get a lot of time behind bars.
So what makes you think Hillary did nothing damaging?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
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I missed that aspect. That's a Josh Earnest move.
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You are kidding, right? They have confirmed she had Top Secret documents (at least one) onher private email server.
That,is 5 years leavenworth right there. Oh, and the fact that she gave her lawyer classiied information on a thumbnail drive? Each one she gave him is a felony she comitted. People in the military or civil service who handle classified material like that routinely get a lot of time behind bars.
So what makes you think Hillary did nothing damaging?
again you cant read.
i said it probably wasnt any worse than them being on the RIGHT servers.
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Astral Pain said: He wasn't going to play along with secret societies. Who even knows for sure if it was the CIA who did it.
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When someone can explain why Howard Hunt, a CIA assassin, was in Dallas when JFK got shot and later admitted involvement in the assassination plan, then I'll listen to an explanation of how the CIA was not involved. They were clearly involved, the evidence is overwhelming.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
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You are kidding, right? They have confirmed she had Top Secret documents (at least one) onher private email server.
That,is 5 years leavenworth right there. Oh, and the fact that she gave her lawyer classiied information on a thumbnail drive? Each one she gave him is a felony she comitted. People in the military or civil service who handle classified material like that routinely get a lot of time behind bars.
So what makes you think Hillary did nothing damaging?
again you cant read.
i said it probably wasnt any worse than them being on the RIGHT servers.
You meant damaging to the security of the country and I think he thought damaging to her case.
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When someone can explain why Howard Hunt, a CIA assassin, was in Dallas when JFK got shot and later admitted involvement in the assassination plan, then I'll listen to an explanation of how the CIA was not involved. They were clearly involved, the evidence is overwhelming.
Is it true that the CIA murders people routinely?
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When someone can explain why Howard Hunt, a CIA assassin, was in Dallas when JFK got shot and later admitted involvement in the assassination plan, then I'll listen to an explanation of how the CIA was not involved. They were clearly involved, the evidence is overwhelming.
Is it true that the CIA murders people routinely?
"It's a dirty, dirty, dirty world, it's a flipping dirty world" - Traveling Wilbury's
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Astral Pain]
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Astral Pain said: He wasn't going to play along with secret societies. Who even knows for sure if it was the CIA who did it.
I heard that JFK was murdered by the Jews/the Mossad. He signed an executive order that would use silver to back all US currency, thus rendering the federal reserve useless/powerless. This possibly angered some Jewish bosses.
PLus some other things that I can't remember atm. Maybe more later.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: starfire_xes]
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One would thin that the D's realize by now that the democrats are dying the death o a thousand cuts each day she stays on the campaign trail. To actually believe the people are stupid enough to vote for her is mind-boggling. Unless...
...unless what they are really trying to keep hidden is incriminating evidence of massive corruption in the Obama administration, especially concerning Benghazi. That is, does one ever wonder what 40 seals had to do with that little clandenstine annex in libya? Early theories that floated where that Obama was gun-running Saggers and SAM-7's from Libya to WhAT IS NOW ISIS in Libya...lol.....boy wouldn't that be a treat.
Oh, but I know, Obama doesn't do anything wrong, he always comes out smelling like a freshly powdered babies ass.
And one has to wonder if anyone in the Liberal media has 1/10 of an ounce of grey matter in their head. There have been several ridiculous headlines like "Is Hillary really in any trouble..." and "...why the e-mail scandal isn't a scandal'
THe damn liberal media is like some guy who is so love-struck by his girlfriend that he refuses to believe she is cheating on him even when he catches her coming out of a hotel with a strange man
I absolutely love seeing the complete collapse of the democrats game plan. Its the same feeling as I get when I see an 0-13 football team routing the best team in the league.
just hope the democrats don't get their shit together and run someone more dangerous like Bernie--who they should have run in the first place. Then again, hes a worn out old white male too isnt he? 
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Is it true that the CIA murders people routinely?
"It's a dirty, dirty, dirty world, it's a flipping dirty world" - Traveling Wilbury's
If it's indeed true that the CIA murders people routinely, we should try to get the word out, as to stop them (and possibly risking our lives in the process, but it will be worth it)
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>Your nonstop campaign to degrade and destroy Obama overlooks a lot of very obvious factors such as:
My campaign? Did you miss the part where I said he and other presidents did this? How is that singling out obumble? He did push it further than any other president. If you want to dispute the fact he has exceeded his constitutional authority we can discuss that but you will lose.
>If Presidential power is so controlling why did the Iran Contra investigation happen to Reagan?
Reagan was an alzheimers patient while president. He was wheeled out to give speeches and mostly relied on his aides.
>Why did Clinton get impeached over Monica Lewinsky?
Congress impeached him, not the ag as you seem to forget. It was all in the news, too late to contain.
>Why did Nixon get nailed
His clumsy job with the tapes, the fact he admitted having them and turned them over. We have discussed this already. You are trying to bring in red herrings.
>2. The Clintons have complained for decades that the Press has never been friendly to them or on their side. They are deeply suspicious of the Press. How is this possible if the liberal press is always helping the Democrats?
That is comical. He, much like obumble got very favorable press but they did cover some things he didn't want covered. Some stories can be killed but when a woman goes to the media and tells all about a lurid affair with the pres, it gets covered. Then there was the cum stain on her dress... etc.
>3. The intelligence community was FURIOUS that Obama prosecuted David Patreus.
I'm glad you mentioned patraeus. He was prosecuted for much more minor things than hitlery has done. The info he mishandled was only rated "sensitive" not classified, not secret and not top secret. Obumble has hated the military for a long time, they too hate him but can do nothing about it.
>They are looking for payback. They've never liked the Clintons anyway and no doubt they have a ton of evidence of top secret docs sent to Hillary over the years.
I'm glad you don't doubt it. We shall see.
>4. This entire investigation of Hillary is happening by forces the President can't control. The very reason the AG is looking into it is because of GOP led investigations that are turning up evidence that is unsettling.
That has a lot to do with it. But you yourself said obumble didn't like the Clintons and is doing it for that reason.
>Obama/Lynch have no control of this process
Of course he does. He is obligated to have them look into it, but he and the ag are not obligated to present to a grand jury or to do any particular thing. The difficulty of it, the political fallout that might result will mean bitchlary will have to dig very deep to pay off obumble who is not a brave man. The difficulties of laundering that much cash too present problems.
You may be right in that its spinning out of control or will, time will tell. Want to go back and discuss your hero's unconstitutional actions? Might be good for a new thread. The constitution give congress the sole authority to declare war, just for starters.
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