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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >I think you're ignoring the fact that the intel community HATES the Clintons and Obama in general.
The military hates them in general, obumble in particular but I don't see that changing anything much. It is possible that the evidence against hitlery is so strong and has enough people pushing it that the doj will be forced to act. But if obumble is committed to protecting the bitch she will not be prosecuted. Don't forget justice is for sale and the Clintons have a lot of cash plus political info. Who knows, they may have obumble's original birth certificate from Kenya. 
We may see a dueling narrative in which the media tries to cover it all up while anon sources publish the info and force it into the public's attention. Thanks to the internet its no longer possible to stonewall completely anymore.
Once a story reaches a certain level of strength, I don't believe it can be contained anymore with just political arm twisting. If this was the case, many, many stories would never have broken in the first place. The history is packed with extremely embarrassing stories for the Clintons, Obamas, etc. This story has way too many people involved. A lot of powerful people have a lot to gain from taking out the Clintons. No way to stop the train now. Loretta Lynch does not control the FBI and neither does Obama to the extent you are thinking. It just doesn't work that way. Remember that the GOP controls funding for the FBI now.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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>Loretta Lynch does not control the FBI and neither does Obama to the extent you are thinking. It just doesn't work that way. Remember that the GOP controls funding for the FBI now.
Yes and no. When there is lots of public pressure or lots of incriminating leaks, they are pressured to act. However, obumble does have authority and can use or misuse it in many ways as he has already. If he is willing to pay the political price he can make it not go anywhere no matter what the evidence may be. Don't forget Nixon and the Saturday night massacre in which he fired the AG for not following his orders then fired his replacement for the same reason. His third pick did just as he was told. I don't see obumble being willing to go that far no matter what dirt the bitch might have on him. He certainly won't go that far out of loyalty if he has any.
I'm very pleased to see heat being put on nasty cunt and her crook of a husband. I'm pleased to see her slowly drop in the polls, despite all the efforts of the media. Biden would make a good stand in, I doubt he could win which is better yet. Maybe a biden/sanders ticket guaranteed to bring in most of the left but virtually none of the middle or right.
Will we be subjected to Clinton version 3 also known as Chelsea in the future? Or another bush?
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: >Loretta Lynch does not control the FBI and neither does Obama to the extent you are thinking. It just doesn't work that way. Remember that the GOP controls funding for the FBI now.
Yes and no. When there is lots of public pressure or lots of incriminating leaks, they are pressured to act. However, obumble does have authority and can use or misuse it in many ways as he has already. If he is willing to pay the political price he can make it not go anywhere no matter what the evidence may be. Don't forget Nixon and the Saturday night massacre in which he fired the AG for not following his orders then fired his replacement for the same reason. His third pick did just as he was told. I don't see obumble being willing to go that far no matter what dirt the bitch might have on him. He certainly won't go that far out of loyalty if he has any.
I'm very pleased to see heat being put on nasty cunt and her crook of a husband. I'm pleased to see her slowly drop in the polls, despite all the efforts of the media. Biden would make a good stand in, I doubt he could win which is better yet. Maybe a biden/sanders ticket guaranteed to bring in most of the left but virtually none of the middle or right.
Will we be subjected to Clinton version 3 also known as Chelsea in the future? Or another bush?
Obama has proven to be a relatively risk adverse President that generally finds a middle road and avoids too much personal legal exposure. I believe he personally has far more to gain by the Clintons retiring than he does a Clinton Presidency and it is very well known that Michelle and Jarrett absolutely despise Hillary. From a PR perspective, Obama may be able to convince the public (you?) that he is pulling strings for Hillary, but the reality is, he is probably doing exactly the opposite which is pushing the levers that sink Hillary and push the Clintons into retirement. The last thing Obama wants is a Clinton Presidency.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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You may be right, ko. You often are when you aren't into your moonbat mode. I doubt obumble likes bitchlary at all or bill. They are white after all. Its also true about him not sticking his neck out, like I said he would never go as far as Nixon did. I said a while back he probably ok'ed the prosecution to go ahead. The wild card is how much dirt do the Clintons have on him? Probably not much but you never know. If they had that much they would have given him orders to bury the investigation already.
He probably is laughing while the bitch twists and turns in the wind. He is just as evil as the Clintons but less experienced. Her being knocked out of the race would be great. Let her limp along a few more months or a year, make it hard for other dems to get traction and then fail. I want to see trump vs sanders.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: You may be right, ko. You often are when you aren't into your moonbat mode. I doubt obumble likes bitchlary at all or bill. They are white after all. Its also true about him not sticking his neck out, like I said he would never go as far as Nixon did. I said a while back he probably ok'ed the prosecution to go ahead. The wild card is how much dirt do the Clintons have on him? Probably not much but you never know. If they had that much they would have given him orders to bury the investigation already.
He probably is laughing while the bitch twists and turns in the wind. He is just as evil as the Clintons but less experienced. Her being knocked out of the race would be great. Let her limp along a few more months or a year, make it hard for other dems to get traction and then fail. I want to see trump vs sanders.
S - If the Clintons had the dirt, they'd have played it in 2008. Obama, after 8 years of presidency and no more elections ever has the upper hand. It's not a fair fight anymore. Before, it was Clinton support for re-election. That doesn't exist anymore. The Clintons have leverage over the party because those in office are fearful if they win and they don't want to be on the other side because the Clintons take no prisoners ... you're with them or you're an enemy.
But Obama, with the full power of the Presidency, can squash the Clintons and there's nothing they can do about it. If he wants to set off a full investigation of the Charities, pay for play, you name it, he can do it. They need him a lot more than he needs them ...
Trump vs Sanders would be interesting, but I don't think it will be either of them, to be honest. Trump's going to have a very difficult time in the South, IMHO ... but who knows, he's been remarkably successful so far. When Hillary drops, some strong candidates will jump in.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Good points about obumble
>S - If the Clintons had the dirt, they'd have played it in 2008
Unless they unearthed some since then. Doubtful though.
>When Hillary drops, some strong candidates will jump in.
Such as? Warren, is not going to run and couldn't win, biden I already mentioned, who then? I still hope for trump v sanders.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Such as? Warren, is not going to run and couldn't win, biden I already mentioned, who then? I still hope for trump v sanders.
I would expect a celebrity candidate or two ... maybe a business person with some name ID ... I've heard Howard Shultz, Mark Cuban, Bill Gates and Oprah tossed around. Are they the answer? Maybe, maybe not, but when the Clintons exit, it creates a lot of new oxygen for the party they've been stealing for decades. A lot of very wealthy people form Silicon Valley have been talking about their own candidate for a long time but the Clintons are kinda in the way. What if a guy like Elan Musk jumped in? Social media creates some very unique possibilities.
This country is in a very strange place where something completely unexpected COULD happen ... like Trump.
Any way you slice it, Hillary's a total douchebag and the sooner she gets out, the better.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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The last thing Obama wants is a Clinton Presidency.
I totally agree. He could have easily let the DOJ loose and have their way with her, but he's allowing just enough to bump her out of the race. I don't think he wants her having any part in his legacy or to upstage him in any way, and this includes being the first woman president.
They may not be enemies or the best of friends, but there's no way he wants to see her monster ego on full display if her majesty gets crowned. He probably sees her as more work for him by having to keep tabs on her to not destroy what he has put together while in office. Obama may know first hand what some of her donors may want her to do to repay them while she's in office and not like it one bit.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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lol at you people fighting like the two party system is a real thing 
so cute.
believing the sides hate each other
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: rxb]
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Oprah
LMFAO! Seriously?
It's well known that Obama isn't gonna let Hillary have the nomination, he took it from her back in '08, he sure as bell isn't gonna give power back to clintons, it's not just about the presidency, it's about who controls the party...
I already know who it's gonna be, Julian Castro, all this amnesty BS Obama been doing, he's gonna hand us our first Latino Pres, and that, my friends, is what's REALLY going on
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Oprah? LMFAO! Seriously?
Self made billionaire. Most successful self made woman in American history. Super popular with women. Great executive skills. Fantastic communicator. She'd probably get 75% of the female vote. Oprah is very, very popular, don't kid yourself. She's way more popular than Trump, you can bet on that.
(BTW, don't bet the farm on Castro ... he's nowhere near ready ... maybe in 4-8 years or as a VP pick.)
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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hillary being the only serious candidate on one side is CLEARLY a last minute sneak attack ploy... but the pubs are doing the same thing from a different angle...
soooo
clearly this has the plot of a "reality" show.
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(BTW, don't bet the farm on Castro ... he's nowhere near ready ... maybe in 4-8 years or as a VP pick.)
Isn't that the same thing they said about Obama?
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I would lol over president castro. That would be two dictator names in a row. People seem to think someone can come out of the woodwork and become a nominee. Don't tell me about trump, he is far from the nomination though I'd like to see him get it.
Bernie is the only one with momentum on the dem side, biden is too much of a dufus, warren is out, oprah is a joke.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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We are still over a year out, plenty of time for young Castro to get in, plus, didn't people scoff at "Hussein"??? If anything, democrats are MORE likely to vote someone who bring us closer to a dictator, they want us to be like Venezuela...
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: I would lol over president castro. That would be two dictator names in a row. People seem to think someone can come out of the woodwork and become a nominee. Don't tell me about trump, he is far from the nomination though I'd like to see him get it.
Bernie is the only one with momentum on the dem side, biden is too much of a dufus, warren is out, oprah is a joke.
Castro doesn't have 1/10th the political chops Obama has as a campaigner. Obama may be a shitty executive, and I think he is, but he is an epic campaigner and Castro is BORING ... He's a good VP candidate.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: KauaiOrca]
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A good vp has to be a good campaigner too. Otherwise he brings nothing to the ticket. Obumble didn't want the bitch for vp, she campaigns like an old woman.
Obumble won because the media wanted a negro president and the big shots decided it was a good gimmick. They are or were backing hitlery because of the woman gimmick, her baggage is proving to be too heavy so they may drop her ugly ass.
Lets have a long investigation, many leaks coming out of course, then the indictment in spring of '16, she struggles on but collapses finally. No one is going to overtake Bernie at that point and I don't see it playing out much faster. She might even snag the nomination under a big cloud and lead the dems into a landslide defeat. To trump of course.
If only they would indict the both of them, billary the tag team. I saw bill laughing on a hidden camera video when he was at the funeral of sec brown, who he had killed. When he saw he was being recorded, he stopped laughing and did a super fake crying act. Limbaugh played it over and over, the media seems to have "missed" the story somehow.
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Re: Hillary 'Turns Over' E-mail Server and Thumbnail drive to FBI [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: A good vp has to be a good campaigner too. Otherwise he brings nothing to the ticket. Obumble didn't want the bitch for vp, she campaigns like an old woman.
Obumble won because the media wanted a negro president and the big shots decided it was a good gimmick. They are or were backing hitlery because of the woman gimmick, her baggage is proving to be too heavy so they may drop her ugly ass.
Lets have a long investigation, many leaks coming out of course, then the indictment in spring of '16, she struggles on but collapses finally. No one is going to overtake Bernie at that point and I don't see it playing out much faster. She might even snag the nomination under a big cloud and lead the dems into a landslide defeat. To trump of course.
If only they would indict the both of them, billary the tag team. I saw bill laughing on a hidden camera video when he was at the funeral of sec brown, who he had killed. When he saw he was being recorded, he stopped laughing and did a super fake crying act. Limbaugh played it over and over, the media seems to have "missed" the story somehow.
Well we'll see. I applaud your courage in putting out a very specific prediction. Here's mine ... Hillary drops by December 15. 2-3 new candidates jump in, one of which is as big a surprise and rebel rouser as Trump is and catches fire and quickly overtakes Bernie. Warren never gets in. Trump is going to max out support wise in the 30's and present a real problem for the GOP. As more drop out, support for either Walker, Rubio or Jeb keeps climbing and one of those three is the GOP candidate.
If it's Jeb, we get a Democrat for President. If it's Walker or Rubio the GOP has a 50/50 shot at best.
Keep this post and we'll compare notes in November 2016 ... haha.
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Hill-billy isn't dropping without being hit over the head, a hint will not do it. Look for her to keep going until the wheels fall off. Her backers will expect no less and may make threats if it looks like she is wimping out after all that cash given to her. Unless there is an actual indictment before then, no way she is out by dec. Even with one, she will keep going if the polls are supporting her which they won't. So it depends a lot on obumble and what he does. He may want her to keep going but be mortally wounded
Rubio has no shot, only the hard line conservatives like him. He doesn't even get the Hispanic vote, at least not the Cuban vote for sure and he is Cuban descent. They hate him now. They say "su sueno es nuestra pesadilla" his dream is our nightmare. I actually think bush has the best shot on the gop side despite the fact that the far left hates him. They hate all gop anyway so that makes little difference. Bitchlary might beat him if her problems go away but as you said, obumble is no fan of the Clintons.
Trump is hated by the left and by the media both. Usually that is fatal but if hitlery self destructs and the choice is Bernie, trump will triumph. A bush-trump ticket is a possibility but I don't know if the Donald's big ego could settle for second string. He would probably go third party and fracture the gop. Who knows?
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Trump is hated by the left and by the media both. Usually that is fatal but if hitlery self destructs and the choice is Bernie, trump will triumph. A bush-trump ticket is a possibility but I don't know if the Donald's big ego could settle for second string. He would probably go third party and fracture the gop. Who knows?
trump is hated by anyone who understands that he ran his business(es) into the ground 4 times and that all of this bluster is just bluster.
he is just the monster created by the hatebrewing thats been going on. i dont think he even believes half the shit he is saying but it is the right things to say to at least 35% of the country. too bad he alienated Hispanics and anyone who loves a Hispanic person RIGHT off the bat. which i think would make him next to impossible to win. but the fact that he is pretty much an idiot with a genius team, im not sure thats a bad thing.
his upside is that he cant be bought.
his downsides are many.
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