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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: youknowyou]
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youknowyou said:
LunarEclipse said:
I'm too ugly to even get invited to a party.  Now what?


now look how unhappy you make you feel when you think your ugly.


You're ugly.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Convince yourself (if you are not already convinced) that you are handsome, irresistible and witty. Go to a party in that frame of mind. Observe how people treat you


A few years back, I was fit, tan, healthy, had a great job and condo and was feeling awesome. Went out clubbing with my best bud. On the way to the top floor where the action was, we got on the elevator with this hottie. I gave her my best smile and cracked a few jokes. She said "I would never be with you, but your friend here (who never spoke), I would take home right now."

I am 5' 7" and he is 6' 4". Attitude rarely overcomes genetic attraction, but believe all you want.

Now, as to the gay community, different rules apply. Some 20 years earlier, I was a straight body builder whose motorcycle broke down near the Castro district in SF on a ride back from Oregon. Had to leave my bike overnight and only had cash, no credit card. Did not have enough to stay in a hotel and pay for the repair so stayed out all night walking the street in my leather jacket, tight jeans and boots. I got hit on more times in that one night than in my entire life, though male attention was the last thing I desired.

Negative waves did not protect me from the onslaught of horny young men.


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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Convince yourself (if you are not already convinced) that you are handsome, irresistible and witty. Go to a party in that frame of mind. Observe how people treat you


A few years back, I was fit, tan, healthy, had a great job and condo and was feeling awesome. Went out clubbing with my best bud. On the way to the top floor where the action was, we got on the elevator with this hottie. I gave her my best smile and cracked a few jokes. She said "I would never be with you, but your friend here (who never spoke), I would take home right now."

I am 5' 7" and he is 6' 4". Attitude rarely overcomes genetic attraction, but believe all you want.

Now, as to the gay community, different rules apply. Some 20 years earlier, I was a straight body builder whose motorcycle broke down near the Castro district in SF on a ride back from Oregon. Had to leave my bike overnight and only had cash, no credit card. Did not have enough to stay in a hotel and pay for the repair so stayed out all night walking the street in my leather jacket, tight jeans and boots. I got hit on more times in that one night than in my entire life, though male attention was the last thing I desired.

Negative waves did not protect me from the onslaught of horny young men.


if you own your libido and sexiness/pizazz  you could still probably have an audience in the castro or mission district, from boys or men..... you get to be a daddy.  :ohwell:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Be like those guys in the YMCA commercial.


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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said:
Exercises:
Convince yourself1 (if you are not already convinced) that you are ugly, unattractive and dull. Go to a party in that frame of mind. Observe how people treat you.
8. Convince yourself (if you are not already convinced) that you are handsome, irresistible and witty. Go to a party in that frame of mind. Observe how people treat you


Yeah, I've read enough R.A.W to understand how this works. I try not to cling to anything, even my own theories too tightly. It's a forever changing illusory landscape.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: PocketLady]
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PocketLady said:
johnm214 said:
Electromagnetic energy isn't a tangible thing, its a concept like love. Saying it doesn't have mass is like saying love doesn't have mass: trivial and misleading.

Nevertheless, if your referring to the systems that have electric potential, they do indeed have greater mass as electrons, protons, have mass.




I disagree that electromagnetic energy is just a concept. We can see certain types of electromagnetic energy. It's called light, and photons have not yet been shown to have mass.


Energy is an intangible concept, hence electromagnetic energy is an intangible concept. Energy is the capability to do work, which is the exertion of a force over a distance (not to imply you don't know these things, just laying out my thinking). This is an abstract concept like love, not something tangible.




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Electrons flow relatively slowly around a circuit, like slow moving water.  However, the current itself is not the energy, nor is the charge. The energy is electrical energy in the form of electromagnetism, which moves at nearly the speed of light.


I'm not sure I gather the point here, but I think your suggesting that because electrons move more slowly than the electric potential, this means something mysterious and spooky is happening. If so, this doesn't seem right to me. I can transmit force through any number of objects, such as a stick. The actual atoms in the stick need not move at the speed of sound despite the fact that the force is transmitted at that speed through them. This isn't a special property of electrons if I understand it correctly. Hopefully diecommie or someone can jump in. 



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My point is that as science develops, we gain a better and deeper understanding of things. We could observe electricity a few hundred years ago. We didn't really understand it though, for example what causes it and where does it come from. Eventually we build devices that have increased the kind of observations we can make and we understand it better now. The same can be said for consciousness at the moment. We know it exists. We don't really know what causes it and where it comes from though, and on a scientific level we won't, until we can learn how to observe it better.


Ok, I suppose that's reasonable, though I don't think you can say we don't know what causes it and where it comes from. Perhaps we do. I think the most you can say for this is that we lack detailed understandings and likely will know more later, including whether or not various theories of the brain and mind are tenable.

PocketLady said:
If we look at Orgone's point about glycogen, well that's not the actual energy either is it? It's just a storage container.


Agreed.

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If we go deeper than glycogen and glucose, we have ATP. But even the ATP is merely a transporter of energy.


Agreed.

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When a reaction takes place, energy is released in the form of electromagnetism. The cell can then use this for whatever it needs to do.



I don't think so. The energy can be released in any number of forms. At most basic, when uncoupled to other reactions, the energy would simply be kinetic: thermal movement of the molecules.

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All energy is essentially electromagnetism. It creates all life.


How so? Doesn't seem that way to me. Rolling a ball down a hill may depend on certain EM interactions, but the energy source is gravitation, not EM, it seems to me.

I don't see how EM can be said to create all life either.


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But if you damage the brain, the energy that powers the mind will not be affected. It is only the ability of that energy to express through the brain that changes, not the energy itself because it is immortal.



How do you explain brain damage manifesting through perosnality changes, increased aggression, et cet? I've seen it with people w/ cancer and there's a bunch of reports about it w/ trauma to various brain parts. This is unlike someone w/ a stroke who has the same personality just lacks the capability of expressing or moving in certain ways. in these cases the people actually have different personalities it appears.

This doesn't seem explainable by the brain-as-medium suggestion you make. If its merely a medium it would seem defects couldn't result in new personalities, only diminished fidelity in transmitting what personality was already there.

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: johnm214]
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E=mc2

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
Energy is an intangible concept, hence electromagnetic energy is an intangible concept.


Electromagnetic energy isn't intangible you can prove it's existence with the scientific method.  Love is most certainly intangible though.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
johnm214 said:
Energy is an intangible concept, hence electromagnetic energy is an intangible concept.


Electromagnetic energy isn't intangible you can prove it's existence with the scientific method.  Love is most certainly intangible though.



The dic def says: unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence.

is intangible. Energy meets this description. It is a property that describes the capacity to do work. Just like a person's usefulness is intangible, so too is the capacity to do work of a physical system.

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
Cognitive_Shift said:
johnm214 said:
Energy is an intangible concept, hence electromagnetic energy is an intangible concept.


Electromagnetic energy isn't intangible you can prove it's existence with the scientific method.  Love is most certainly intangible though.



The dic def says: unable to be touched or grasped; not having physical presence.

is intangible. Energy meets this description. It is a property that describes the capacity to do work. Just like a person's usefulness is intangible, so too is the capacity to do work of a physical system.


Incorrect.  When you fill up your tank at the gas station, do you give them a tangible amount of money for a measured amount of potential energy?


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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: johnm214]
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Electromagnetic radiation most certainly does have a physical presence.  Just because a human can't sense it with it's organs doesn't make something intangible.

If you can measure something with a scientific instrument it's tangible, you can't measure something which doesn't have a physical presence.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Sorry I took so long to get back to the thread.

I feel my brain heal spontaneously throughout the day, sometimes as pressure, sometimes as a tickle. It all started on shrooms and only happens if I clear my mind in a somewhat meditative manner.

I only make these statements because you lot are keen intellectuals looking for answers and I feel I'm at a frontier here and I better report back to other intellectuals, because if we're not a team I don't know why we're bothering as a species.

There is something magical about our situation. Just listen to the positive, smart thinkers and discard the worthless bullshit in much of life, and your consciousness will lower its entropy - live courageously, live smart, fight addiction, etc. and then you will see a more lucid construction by your brain/consciousness of the world and you will soon see that it is a fantastical place.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

TESTED
WITH
FULL
FORCE

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: circastes]
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Oh by the way I hit my head 3 times into a brick wall during an aggressive psychotic episode. Scans revealed nothing but it was probably a diffuse axonal injury, undetectable by current imaging. I could hardly talk and had a blank mind for years. Then I started having dreams of being regenerated and then sleep paralysis much like pre-OBE states where I figured out if I willed it my body/brain/etc. would regenerate, it used to just be these episodes where I would get better but when I took shrooms it started to happen, then after that shroom trip it would happen much more subtly throughout the day. I am almost back to normal.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

TESTED
WITH
FULL
FORCE

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:

I feel my brain heal spontaneously throughout the day, sometimes as pressure, sometimes as a tickle. It all started on shrooms and only happens if I clear my mind in a somewhat meditative manner.


I almost don't want to critique your posts because you emanate such a strong call for positivity, cooperation and cohesion, it is necessary and refreshing to hear such expressions. Having said that, I have to point out your mistake. You cannot feel your brain, there are no nociceptors located in your brain. This is why brain surgeries will often be carried out with conscious patients, who are asked to perform a task between different stages of the surgery. This ensures that no brain function is lost during the procedure. You may perceive a feeling of your brain healing, but this will likely just be a misinterpretation of a thought or imagination.

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PocketLady said:

So going back to what secondorder is saying. I see where you are coming from regarding mind/brain now, and I agree for the most part. However, I really do think it's important to distinguish between energy and matter here. Our minds are the product of both the physical matter that makes up the brain, and the energy that powers it. If you damage the brain, the mind will be affected. I agree. But if you damage the brain, the energy that powers the mind will not be affected. It is only the ability of that energy to express through the brain that changes, not the energy itself because it is immortal.


Yes, I see what you mean, and I acknowledge the importance of the energy in the brain, but what good is the energy being immortal if our mind is affected? Damage a small part of the brain, and you destroy one faculty of mind, damage another part of the brain, and you destroy another faculty of the mind, destroy the entire brain, and you have destroyed the whole mind. In every one of these cases, the energy may live on, but how is that relevant to the existence of our consciousness? If a person's brain has been destroyed, their mind is destroyed with it, why is the continued existence of the energy relevant?

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: secondorder]
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lol @ OP and lol@ the study

seems it took 2000 years, or something to catch up with any buddhist on this planet?

science adds abstraction, yet science thinks it knows it all, it's funny
science can add ignorance to people often

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: lessismore]
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seems a lot of text books need to be rewritten, and maybe all pills need to be reconsidered

the newest "science hit" is giving people psychosomatic illness diagnoses, because now they think they know, "its all the mind"... science sickens me, and worst of all, I used to adhere to it

but never adhered to psychiatry, that's disgusting sometimes, or maybe it's our modern psychiatry that is - the way we treat people to get rid of them in our systems, overriding real diagnoses with fake psychiatric ones like "body dysmorphic disorder" - wtf is even that?

some branches of science are truly crazy, don't subscribe to it all if you can avoid

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: lessismore]
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science sickens me, and worst of all, I used to adhere to it...  don't subscribe to it all if you can avoid


The computer sitting in front of you was built based on hundreds of different scientific theories, experiments and consensuses. How is it that you do not adhere to science, yet you continue to use it's products? Or do you believe there is some sort of spooky unscientific reason that your computer turns on when you press the ON button, that is unrelated to it's manufacturer and factory?

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: secondorder]
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There are subfields in science that are truly nasty, in most of what they publicize

At least from my POV, and it's not just one field

It's that science has gotten much too materialistic, so some fields have gotten rotten from inside out (often military / psychiatry could be examples i.e. - but also the "gov sponsored" science that is set to produce false results often, the gov can pay their labs to produce the results they want in many cases)

Science can be nasty often. What do we really need to research would be the good question

Often we research common knowledge...

Often we turn mankind into a materialistic mess, i.e. make people believe they are their brains -> here's a pill

I don't like the materialistic aspect of what science is becoming now a days, i.e. it often thinks it knows everything in the universe , or everything about the human brain, or that people are just having chemical imbalances (ignorance...)

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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: lessismore] * 1
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it often thinks it knows everything in the universe


You win the retarded post of the month. Science is a method, doesn't think and has no personality flaws.

Keep ranting though. :thumbup:


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Re: mind affects health, study finds [Re: lessismore]
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What do you mean by 'nasty'? That it reveals some truths which are hard to handle?

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