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Extraction of PF cakes.
    #2054572 - 10/29/03 09:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I am curious. Does anyone think that extraction of pf cakes (perhaps with less brf to facilitate fast mycelial growth and reduce organic non-mycylia content in the jar) would yield enough to be worth the effort? I'm curious to hear whether or not anything might be extraced from the BRF too. I hope not.


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: nihilist]
    #2054586 - 10/29/03 09:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Effed]
    #2054642 - 10/29/03 09:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

funny effed, half of thos posts were from this post, and the other half was totally irrelevant


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: nihilist]
    #2054657 - 10/29/03 09:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I know how the extraction works and i've searched for and read a lot of the stuff here about extraction. I just couldn't find the answer to my question.

I'm not really too concerned with knowing about the yields. I'm more concerned with what I'm extracting, if anything, from BRF and vermiculite that will be in the mix. Does anyone know this, or has anyone ever had product from a cake? If so, was it pure or did the BRF screw it up?


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: nihilist]
    #2060174 - 10/31/03 11:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

In Mycotopia there are several reports of the success there were in extracting magic from cakes... it is possible, the yield will be as great as many cakes you extract from (I would say about 6 cakes minimum). Plus, I should add that a pure and good solvent will be very important, as well as the chemist's capabilities...

Ultimately you will separate (I hope) the solvent from the solids, with a good filter like PF's mouthmasks and/or simple coffee paper. If you can keep the solvent clear and "potent" it will happen.

The tek is very possible and relatively simple (for a chemical process), PF himself did it once or reported someone's experience if I'm not mistaken (but the data was lost after the site went down, and there's not much in the mirror now).


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Cygnus]
    #2060207 - 10/31/03 12:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I have done a single extraction from a pf-style cake after birthing it and found next to zero magic in the brew.  I am versed in chemistry and my techniques were not flawed.  There may be more actives in the cakes after a few flushes, I cannot say.  The one freshly birthed cake that I worked with was a complete loss.

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Seuss]
    #2060273 - 10/31/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But like I said, at least 6 cakes would give out some magic...

it is quite obvious that the cakes have magic since they stain blue at touch.


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Cygnus]
    #2060354 - 10/31/03 01:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Does it work: yes

Is it efficient? No.

I've done many extractions, and they've all worked, but it was with more than just one cake's worth of mycelium and a lot of solvent. All of them were different, but I've noticed the mycelium has to be somewhat old to work (it doesn't have to fruit yet, but needs to almost be there. I'd think you'd get more from just fruiting it, anyway.)

Growing the mushrooms and then extracting from them will get you much better purity -- from mycelial extractions it takes like 7 or 8 big gelcaps filled with goo to trip. It doesn't even take a gelcap for a fruitbody extraction.

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: micro]
    #2060367 - 10/31/03 01:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> but I've noticed the mycelium has to be somewhat old to work

I didn't get anything with TLC when I tested a freshly birthed cake.


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Seuss]
    #2060387 - 10/31/03 01:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There has to be something.. How did you extract it? That can be tricky -- especially with chromatography -- you need it to be pretty damn pure, and the mycelium is mostly not what you want (1 part in 400 according to Erowid, and I personally think it's much less.)

I've extracted mycelium, though, and tripped balls off it, so I know it works, to some extent.

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: micro]
    #2060401 - 10/31/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> How did you extract it?

I would have to go back to my notes and look to get the details. This was a few years ago. I followed a method I found in the journal of forensic science that used glacial acetic acid for the extraction.


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: Seuss]
    #2060553 - 10/31/03 02:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If you extracted with acetic acid you should have basified this to pH 8 (I think, but don't quote me on the 8) and re-extracted with ether. If you did this, it should have been pretty pure (even better if followed by a methanol extraction.)

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: micro]
    #2060701 - 10/31/03 03:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"six cakes would give out some magic" yeah and a hell of a lot of shrooms, extractmion is a waste in my opinion. if you have 6 fully colonised cakes why not fruit them for the week itll take to gain a first flush?


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2060713 - 10/31/03 03:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Good question.  Unless it's all in the name of science, of course :wink:

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: micro]
    #2067390 - 11/03/03 08:57 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

so if what i am reading from you guys is true than the whole 5000 hits in a month tek(by growing mycelium). I mean i figured that their was no way you were going to be able to make as much as it stated but i thought you could get somthing out of it


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: littlejohn747]
    #2068115 - 11/03/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think their figures are way off, but you certainly can grow mycelium and extract it. I think it would be a lot better to grow the mushrooms and extract them, though.

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: micro]
    #2069577 - 11/04/03 08:10 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

yea i was thinking about that too. but thnx for confirming it, besides i am having alot of fun growing my babies


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: littlejohn747]
    #2071645 - 11/05/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i think the 5000 hits a week thing isnt possible unless someone comes up with a much better system for liquid growing medium, which is what that system relies on. there is definetly magic in myc. i friend of mine ate a nice chunk of azure. myc. and had a little spin for a bit. i have 10 cakes going right now, after the second or third flush i am going to extract them into crystal with a methanol extraction...i plan on posting photos of the whole process so this can be solved once and for all. should have it up by christmas.

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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: angryjslice]
    #2072112 - 11/05/03 03:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well the only bulk myc. idea i had was just using a gaint pot of honey/karo water and growing it in their than straining it through a coffe filter and following the rest of the steps he stated


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Re: Extraction of PF cakes. [Re: littlejohn747]
    #2072506 - 11/05/03 09:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It would be better to use something more nutritious, like PDY broth -- you'll get a larger amount of mycelium.... These should be shaking, too, if possible, to dissolve air into the liquid (more myc. too.)

Jslice -- you won't end up with crystals, but a tarry goo. You should probably eat it pretty soon after you extract, otherwise store it in the freezer....

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