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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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Lonewolf
I am not sure which of the plants you've found is most likely to be the host, however, I have seen instances of host trees occurring 50 or more metres away from the shrooms they support.

More importantly I think you are too hasty in coming to the conclusion that poor host plant growth resuts in more poisonous shrooms. There are far too many other variables involved to properly address this issue based on your casual observation of one or two fruiting scenarios. More poisonous shrooms could just have just as easily resulted from such factors as (a) genetic properties of the observed strain (variation in metabolite production has been shown to vary between strains in this species), or (b) peculiarities of local soil chemistry. These are off the top of my head and there will be many more confounding variables.

If you really want a (scientific) answer you'd have to conduct an ecological study where all such variables are reasonably controlled for, while also sampling from the many more independent data points required for your results to be statistically meaningful.

Your theory sounds entirely plausible, but I would not accept it unless such a study were carried out.

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: pluteus]
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Hi Guys!!
I am returned from the "Land of Our Fathers"!
WHAT IS ALL THIS NEGATIVITY?!Not you Pluteus I hear what you say,clearly the jury is OUT on this one,lets see what happens as this earth spins on.HOWEVER....do NOT despair friends, I have picked semilanceata in the U.K WELL AFTER the first frosts IN LARGE NUMBERS in December,I won't tell you exactly where,suffice to say it was in the (mid) south east.Your POSITIVITY is important.Yeah maybe the potency was down a little (all though I wouldn't swear to even that)-your call Plute I ain't all things to ALL people-("Kalifornia Uber Alles,Kalifornia UUUBBER alles").Climate control,care and influence MUST be part of what we do!!If people want to PLAY with "DRUGS MAN" they can GO TO THE PHARMACISTS!!SHEEE this subject gets to me!You CANNOT predict the movements of mother nature!"She" has been "doing it" a lot longer than ANY of us.Power,power, power you WEILD it you cannot CONTROL it,and if you don't wish to do either DO SOMETHING ELSE!!!!  :mad:


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

Edited by Lonewolf (10/06/03 12:27 AM)

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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truly the shrooms are in danger
we may never know what we have already lost

in Berkshire I have picked liberty caps in July before
but never very many. more odd timings in recent years.

let's build a mushroom sanctuary



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Re: British Indigenous [Re: pluteus]
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"mutter mutter.....half a bloody inch of rain in Sennybridge last night boyo"
Yeah but it's not JUST the upper atmosphere though is it?Chemical spraying occurs on dairy and sheep farms aswell,according to me Da (and he lives there),and I wouldn't doubt it.Chemical impaction of ANY kind is obviously inimical to mushroom growth and reproduction,an "Organic" perspective would benefit all of us in more ways than one.
So,ask me how it went guys.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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On that subject it may interest some of you to know that there IS now a way to support the production of the electricity we use by renewable non-polluting means.I recently changed the domestic supply to this place,(I'm still "primalling" out years of toxification,I guess you would call it an auric de-tox).Anyway IF you wish to study mycology through the propogation of mushrooms and fungi at home "correct" vibrations are essential.Concentration and sensitivity (to climatic conditions) are required in order to make accurate observations.Go to www.unit-e.co.uk,also guys please give my details as your referee (see profile,references are worth ?5 each to the referee),have fun!  :cool: 


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2001933 -

Nice info LoneWolf about time we had a company that makes sense instead of profit, if i decide to go with it, I'll be sure to look at your profile/preferences :smile:


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Xenophobic]
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Good work Lonewolf,

I encourage people to sign up to "green energy" programs. I've found that many suppliers actually offer you green energy programs, such as N-power, British Gas, etc. It's a great idea as it pushes for renewable energy and most of them don't cost you any more bling.

On the Liberty Cap front.... things are looking bad, after about two hours of searching in a normally excellent spot, I only found about 100 shrooms, most of which were small and shrivelled. I fear this could be the worst season on record.

On the upside, I am determined to find P. cyanacens this year. I have been sniffing out possible fruiting grounds, so far I've found a big pile of wood chips, a forest clearing with loads of saw dust, and several woodchip/mulch flowerbeds... so I'm keeping my eyes peeled, and just waiting for the rains......

I remember somebody around here recently was encourging the searching for P.cyanascnes in the UK, who ever that was, can you give me some tips on other possible venues?

Pluteus- what are the mushrooms in your signiture pic?


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Sin Bad]
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Thanks you two,check out MJ's advice on cyanacens on this thread.Talking of Semilanceata do NOT despair,see previous comments on thread,however some advice on temperature from some of you tech types would be useful.I'm guessing frost,especially air frost,is a turn off for our fruity friends,although clearly frost doesn't destroy hyphae it must prevent the absorbtion of released spores.Does anyone out there have definitive info on possible temperature ranges and "degrees of frost" (whatever THEY are -explanation please!-).Also the ground is very dry ,does anyone know HOW MUCH rain we are likely to need?
In my darkest hours I do think that one way we could get our own back on the merchants of global warming would be to broadcast the spores of shrooms...oops..no hhofficer it was my friend here twas his idea hhonest!Twhich,sorry which brings me to the question of legality.I'm not sure whether to discuss it on this forum or ,better still, it's own (or both!),rest assured however at some point I may!There now nothing like descisiveness is there?...Is there!?  :devil:


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

Edited by Lonewolf (10/20/03 04:23 PM)

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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Well as to rain, the wetter the better, but what do you mean by the "legality"? Do you mean in this country or worldwide? In this country shrooms are completely legal unless you dry them artificially or are caught in posession of dried shrooms. Even with the latter the law isn't quite finalised. Just keep dried shrooms away from prying eyes and you'll be fine.

For preciseness here's a quote from the BBC...

"The law with regard to magic mushrooms is complicated. The psilocybe mushroom or "magic mushroom" is not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, but it contains psilocin, a hallucinogen, and psilocybin, an ester of psilocin, which are controlled as Class A drugs.

There have been a number of court cases concerning the status of psilocybe mushrooms. The courts have held that a person is not in possession of a controlled drug solely by reason of his being in possession of a naturally occurring substance - the mushroom - containing that drug. The growing of psilocybe mushrooms and the gathering and possession of them do not contravene the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.

It is, however, an offence under the 1971 Act to possess a "preparation" or "product" of the controlled drugs psilocin or psilocybin. The courts have held that where the mushrooms have been prepared (eg by drying or by making into a powder) so that "they have ceased to be in their natural state and have been in some way altered by the hand of man" they constitute a "preparation" or "product" of the Class A controlled drug psilocin. The courts have also held that psilocybe mushrooms that had been frozen and packaged constituted a product containing the Class A controlled drug psilocin.

If you would like to read more about drugs and law, click here. For details on how drugs are classified in the UK, select this link and for more information on drink and drugs when you are abroad click here."


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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Well as to rain, the wetter the better, but what do you mean by the "legality"? Do you mean in this country or worldwide? In this country shrooms are completely legal unless you dry them artificially or are caught in posession of dried shrooms. Even with the latter the law isn't quite finalised. Just keep dried shrooms away from prying eyes and you'll be fine.

For preciseness here's a quote from the BBC...

"The law with regard to magic mushrooms is complicated. The psilocybe mushroom or "magic mushroom" is not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, but it contains psilocin, a hallucinogen, and psilocybin, an ester of psilocin, which are controlled as Class A drugs.

There have been a number of court cases concerning the status of psilocybe mushrooms. The courts have held that a person is not in possession of a controlled drug solely by reason of his being in possession of a naturally occurring substance - the mushroom - containing that drug. The growing of psilocybe mushrooms and the gathering and possession of them do not contravene the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.

It is, however, an offence under the 1971 Act to possess a "preparation" or "product" of the controlled drugs psilocin or psilocybin. The courts have held that where the mushrooms have been prepared (eg by drying or by making into a powder) so that "they have ceased to be in their natural state and have been in some way altered by the hand of man" they constitute a "preparation" or "product" of the Class A controlled drug psilocin. The courts have also held that psilocybe mushrooms that had been frozen and packaged constituted a product containing the Class A controlled drug psilocin.


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Xenophobic]
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Ah Xenomorph
Thank you for the useful information on the U.K's legal position concerning psilocin and psilocybin;infact I was hinting at the possibility of broadcasting non-indigenous species in areas of ,especially, southern Britain where significant climate change has been induced by global warming.Clearly this is some stages further up or down ,depending on your perspective,the ladder of "serious" criminality from possession or home cultivation.
It looks like we may get some rainfall,it's the overnight temperatures which are concerning me at the moment.
Whilst we're at it too a word on conduct.I've met one farmer who was willing to let people pick on his land in exchange for cash,many I'm sure are not the ogres we may suspect them to be,carry an identification book to show them that you are aware of the dangers,don't break fences or disturb stock (especially the latter) unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY,don't overpick (especially you might want to leave some edibles for the farmstead etc. -and "others" for the...."others"-) if practical,don't cause undue disturbance and respect the environment,littering is unforgivable.It may be the case that the farmer is using non-organic methods on his fields be aware of this,try to engage the agricultural lobby in other forums and groups and debate with them the benefits of changing their methods etc.
As I said before I will engage with the wider debate about legality in the appropriate forum once my intent has coalesced.Thanks again.


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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Sin Bad - I am one who has been trying to promote Psilocybe cyanescens hunting in the UK.





however, in southern england this season has so far been depressingly crap -
I urge all those who can to set up their own beds and water them, as with current trends in climate change we can expect more of these very dry, mild autumns (so I am told)

As for legality, the issue grows ever more complicated. In the late 1970s, the then president of the British Mycological Society, Colin Booth (who died recently), petitioned the Home Office on behalf of the society, arguing that its members were being unfairly prosecuted after 'legitimate' mushroom forays, for being in possession of psilocybe mushrooms. He pointed out that 'bone fide researchers' were at risk of arrest even though they were collecting for 'examination purposes only'. This lead to the well-known change in the law allowing possession of fresh psilocybes.

"Big up to Colin Booth RIP dude" -my mate

These days, however, what constitutes 'preparation' of shrooms for consumption has become increasingly contentious, and the level of policing, and policing policy itself varies dramatically according to who and where you are.

The fact of the matter is, drug legislation in the UK in some cases works by reverse osmosis. To take cannabis as an example, UK residents will remember how the police forces in certain boroughs chose to IGNORE the letter of the law in implementing their own, milder strategies for cannabis regulation. Subsequently, the government became impressed by the efficacy of the ad hoc policing strategies and the law is now being changed to accomodate them.

In mushroon law, a similar situation is now emerging. In London, several amsterdam-style shops are openly trading in fresh, packaged (and very expensive) psilocybin mushrooms of various species. The packaging of these mushrooms and their sale for money is techincally in breach of the law, but although these shops are located very prominently (Charing Cross Road & Camden, etc) there are currently no
moves to close them and arrest their staff.

This seems to be a sign of a general trend towards increasing leniency in psilocybe policing. Hopefully the law will eventually be changed to reflect this.

It is good to see the political mood in Europe growing increasingly fed up and bored with the unrealistic and unfair 'zero tolerance' policies of recent American administrations. We used to be bullied into alliance with the Great American War on Drugs, but things are changing. We've become increasingly keen to do things our own way, and in doing so, to revel in the much greater magnitude of freedom and civil liberties than are enjoyed by residents of the self-proclaimed 'Land of the Free'.

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: pluteus]
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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Paid]
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Pluteus,

Is that massive haul of cyans from a naturally seeded source, or did you create a patch?

Also, how late can you find cyans till... I am under the impression that that can be found a bit later than liberty caps.. up until late december??


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Sin Bad]
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The massive haul is from a semi-created patch. Mulch transplantation, nothing technical. I have seen and collected from 'natural' patches producing just as abundantly, but of course what is 'natural' in this context is debatable - in the UK they almost always spring up on 'ornamental' woodchip mulch which is artificially produced and processed. For a debate about the 'naturalness' of cyan as a UK species see earlier on in this thread.

cyans persist until very late depending on the season... mid Dec last year I think...

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: pluteus]
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The one and only wood loving active i found in the uk last year was in mid december, and its finaly raining so lets hope for some fruits :]


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Xenophobic]
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You can read some of the court rulingsa and the Judges who made them at m my site at:

http://www.mushroomjohn.com/news.htm

I also have 13 new articles from the mid 1970s to post there, just have nnot gotten around to it yet. Will work on them next week but check the UK section of the Grape Vine at my site for legal information. They are also legal to cultivate in England.

mj

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: mjshroomer]
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LoneWolf, I know exactly what you mean it has been such a dry year here in the U.K (the driest on record since 1765) that it's hardly worth looking for libs in the southern part of the UK (that includes me). I've been on around 20 (figure of speech) hunting trips in the past week with company and alone on alkaline and acidic soil, on gigantic hills and at sea level producing hardly anything at all and the ground being drier every time untill like recently, sand.. I think this year it's wise to wait another week before the Cyans really start coming out instead of the libs but that's more or less the same story, not enouth rain.

I know of one place about 2 minutes from me (just around the corner) which is a pub and it has a half acre garden, which has woodchips absolutely everywhere and is watered constantly (they have lots of semi-tropical plants). Cyans have been popping up their ever since someone dropped some mycelium on the biggest pile of woodchips 2 years ago and buried it with their feet (I wonder who? lol). But that's in an artificial environment. Whoever thought England would never rain? I thought we were world renound for "rain & fog", I wish it was that way in reality.

MJ your last reply provided some interesting and useful information, thanks.

"They are also legal to cultivate in England." - Don't I know it, reminds me to check my 13 x 13 spare bedroom. bbs......


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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Xenophobic]
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There is however my friends more than one way to remove the epidermis from a feline,however before I am reported to the RSPCA a word on forecasting!Apart from the interesting daily "rainfall animation" on the Met Office site free information is hard to come by ("yum".."shhh"),a monthly forecast is available and so are various other services ("Metcall" and "Metfax" are premium rate numbers).However living where I do (it's in the profile) and being aware of the powerful influence of electromagnetic energies and the other effects of the Sun's radiations it's strikes me that some of this is simply the work of charlatans compared to longer range forecasts which are based on an awareness of solar activity such as;sunspots and flares etc.
Also, if you guys are happy to discuss outdoor propogation in this forum,or if you prefer another, please let me know and we can give the cat a break!  :oogle: 


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"Odrade read the word silently and then aloud.
"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""

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Re: British Indigenous [Re: Silverwolf]
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You know people, when it rains it rains, forecasts are not worthy of my attention. a few days ago after heavey rains and floods all over the stte of Washington the newspapers and weather service said the rain was not done and it would rain again in the day all day and the sun actually came out for most of the day with no rain at all. So it is really silly to scout out weather forecasts. If it rains, wait a day or two to go hunting and i am sure they will be there.

mj

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