lolwut said:

Because of all these dudes who insist on reminding him of his worst moment

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mylfgur said:

lolwut said:

Because of all these dudes who insist on reminding him of his worst moment

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Thanks, Bill Hicks.

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Gogeta said:

mylfgur said:

lolwut said:

Because of all these dudes who insist on reminding him of his worst moment

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Thanks, Bill Hicks.

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Whyz it gotta be his worst moment? I would consider it his best moment due to the fact he had super human strength to lift that cross after being battered and being in paradise.

It would suck going through it as a normal human, but knowing you're God in the flesh would allow you to swim through the lake of fire all the way to heaven.

I kinda think none of us deserve to be saved, but at the same time I kinda think it wasn't our choice to be born here so our actions aren't really free will.

I feared Hell and death/suffering up until the beginning of this month, now I embrace the fact that I can't control anything but my body and that I will do what I can one day to make this shitty life I have feel worth living. I don't care for any other humans approval because nobody knows anything, but I pray in the end I make it to paradise, despite the truth of the universe.

The back of my mind still says no one is deemed worthy and this is all a trick in order to troll everyone into believing there is hope, but people treat Jesus like a get out of jail free card. Once you sin the card goes away but once you repent it comes back.. yada yada yada..

How/why on earth would Jesus want to save us?

It should be like baseball, 3 strikes and you are out.

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It would suck going through it as a normal human, but knowing you're God in the flesh would allow you to swim through the lake of fire all the way to heaven.

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lolwut said:

Because of all these dudes who insist on reminding him of his worst moment

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ElVatoFirme said:

But I don't know what you mean about Jesus not wanting to "save" us.
Is that not his duty? Isn't Christianity grounded on acceptance of Jesus Christ as lord and savior?  Without the whole savior part isn't he just a dictator?

I'm not trying to be rude, or bash on your beliefs, so I hope I'm not offending you.

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Gogeta said:

I'll reword what I mean

Basically I meant regardless of his duty to save us from our sins, no one deserves it because no matter what we sin daily, then repent, then sin again, then repent.

Basically that means Hitler could of repented right before he died and made the entire holocaust victims die in vein, no consequence.

Why would there even need to be a Hell, or Satan if humans can just repent at the end and receive their free gift of everlasting life.

Why would there need to be faith involved? Believing what you cannot prove would mean you KNOW he exists, not just speculating with your fellow followers. So how can you actually believe Jesus died on the cross? Because you were spoon fed that by your parents at a young age, as-well as the concept of an everlasting Hell that kept you on that page...err Book all those years thus embedding FEAR into your brain to keep you from doing certain things..?

It would make more sense if you were born with the TRUTH embedded into you, with a three strike out rule..

Hmm, its funny now though, after typing that I came up with another conclusion... Maybe that's why we get unlimited tries, because we only have one life and God knows we are all learning and growing day after day, year after year, and eventually we kinda "just get it" and the older we get, the easier it gets to understand, but at the exact same time, the harder it gets because we as humans get bored and want instant gratification and choose to live like animals (beasts) that rape and pillage all we see.. Basically we can balance out our lives by living as sin-free as possible, but most choose the wrong path because its easy to accept money, lust, hatred.. But its a trap.. Mind fuck.. lol

And no, you didn't offend me because my journey isn't complete, im still learning more and more everyday. 

I still wish I knew if we chose to be here or if it was just "tough luck".. Some claim we are here because we asked for this, but I don't recall asking to be born,

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CidneyIndole said:

ElVatoFirme said:

But I don't know what you mean about Jesus not wanting to "save" us.
Is that not his duty? Isn't Christianity grounded on acceptance of Jesus Christ as lord and savior?  Without the whole savior part isn't he just a dictator?

I'm not trying to be rude, or bash on your beliefs, so I hope I'm not offending you.

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I'll address this one and give you the "other side" of this. The other view, I guess. While it is true that most christians and mainstream christianity do rely heavily on the notion of christ dying on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of humanity. I will point out that not all followers / believers in christ subscribe to that dogma.



I personally think of christ more in the regard of a teacher. Someone who "got it" and was merely trying to pass his wisdom on to others. Seen in this light, he is a christ (messiah, savior) because of the things he taught us, not because he was supposedly tortured.

I have often thought / wondered if he may be one of the most severely misinterpreted religious figures in history. Realize that much of the dogma that surrounds him comes from interpretation and from books written by people who lived long after his death. For example:  It is part of the dogma of most mainstream christian sects that Christ is The Only Son of God. Some believe that he (and he alone, among men) is equal to god.  The ever-famous John 3:16 touches on this. However, remember that these are "John's"* words, not Jesus' words. Jesus did say that he was the son of god. But did he really teach that he was the "only" son of god?

Or did he teach us a prayer that begins with the words "OUR Father who art in heaven...."?

Did he teach us that he was some special miracle child who could do things no other man could do?

Or did he actually teach that any of his followers could perform miracles if they had faith that they could do so? What is it christ was really trying to tell us about the world, reality, and ourselves?


Just some thoughts.


*Who actually wrote the gospels? Were they written by the apostles whose names they bear? Most scholars seem to think this is not the case, and most if not all the gospels were written years after Jesus supposedly died. This of course begs a lot of questions-- including: Did the authors of these works really understand this man and his teachings? Are they accurately portrayed?

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endogenous said:

Christ is back but very few people know it. God is staring people in the face and they don't realize it.

For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. -- 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (St. Paul)

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Gogeta said:

endogenous said:

Christ is back but very few people know it. God is staring people in the face and they don't realize it.

For you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. -- 1 Thessalonians 5:2 (St. Paul)

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He is not returned

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Gogeta said:

It says in the bible he wont return until after the tribulation... do you see the mark of the beast? How about the plagues...? How about the antichrist?

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