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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins] * 1
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Shins said:
elax420 said:
Oh ya because you guys contribute so much to the world stage :rolleyes:



and what do you guys contribute?  perpetual aggression, occupation and militarism?


We kick asses when we have to.  Just be grateful we have no desire to kick yours or you would be owned.


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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LOLOL blah blah blah MEMES BLAH BLAH BLAH PROPAGANDA... BLAGH BLAGH BLAGH BIG BROTHER TOLD ME YADDA YADDA YADDA

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Re: WTF happened to this thread?? [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said:
Every thread even remotely involving the military degrades into some shitty troll esque shit slinging contest


WTF is up with that.



you;re being overly defensive.


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Re: WTF happened to this thread?? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
elax420 said:
Every thread even remotely involving the military degrades into some shitty troll esque shit slinging contest


WTF is up with that.



you;re being overly defensive.


:whistling:


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Re: WTF happened to this thread?? [Re: Shins]
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one guy says one thing...

three different people come into argue with that person about his one statement...

the one guy is blamed for de-railing a thread and trolling...

mob rules.

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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:]
The reality of this world is that brute force dictates every solution.


you believe that because you lack wisdom.


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It doesn't have to be complex, son.  It just as to work.


and hows the war on terror working out for you?


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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Shins said:
elax420 said:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."



is that so?  then why are you supporting unconstitutional wars?

have you even read the constitution?


Explain to me how it is unconstitutional Mr Canada.

Have you ever read the constitution? Ive had to take so many fucking government classes throughout college and HS im going to go out on a limb and assume i know more about it than some Canadian that hates america.
mpd said:
Shins said:
elax420 said:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."



is that so?  then why are you supporting unconstitutional wars?

have you even read the constitution?


That is not the military's problem, son.  In our country and under our system of governance, the military only does the mission the political leaders tell it to undertake.


Bingo.

Here is what the Air Force teaches word for word:
"War is nothing but a duel on an extensive scale… Each strives by physical force to compel the other to submit to his will… War therefore is an act of violence to compel our opponent to do our will" Carl von Clausewitz

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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Quote:
mpd said:]
The reality of this world is that brute force dictates every solution.


you believe that because you lack wisdom.


Quote:
It doesn't have to be complex, son.  It just as to work.


and hows the war on terror working out for you?



What are you asking exactly?

Militarily its going pretty damn well.

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Re: WTF happened to this thread?? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
one guy says one thing...

three different people come into argue with that person about his one statement...

the one guy is blamed for de-railing a thread and trolling...

mob rules.


Oh come now.  You had to know hat there was a risk of getting the redass if you popped in and started trashing the military, right?


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins]
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Have fun being either
1. Cannon fodder
2. A color guard
3. Kill team
http://www.rollingstone.com/kill-team?stop_mobi=yes


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
Quote:
mpd said:]
The reality of this world is that brute force dictates every solution.


you believe that because you lack wisdom.


Quote:
It doesn't have to be complex, son.  It just as to work.


and hows the war on terror working out for you?


Last I looked we were killing quite a few Muslim men, women and children and loosing very few patriots.


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
He is trying to establish moral equivalency as a substitute for actual physical courage.  That is what he is all about.


no im saying that physical courage can be very destructive without morality guiding it. 

and also that courage takes forms other than physical.

intellectual courage for one, one thing you appear to sorely lack.


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
i won't be bothered. no one will try and do anything unless they're purely motivated by greed and insolence. interrupt my life, and i feel like i should be able to do something about it... otherwise, though, i don't care what you or other's do.


Me either.  Our difference is that I know that the soldiers and the cops afford us that luxury and you don't.


you make asinine assumptions. i love the police force, when they do their job and not abuse people. i love soldiers when they are under orders to defend people and help freedom fighters. not when they are ordered to back corrupt international governments and rebels. i respect MPD for his service, no matter how small. it takes guts, regardless, to enter the ranks.

have you ever been in the army or police force, Zappa? no? i'm guessing no.


No, I have not.  Easy guess, wasn't it?, since that is pretty much true of at least 95% of the population.

Have you not from the beginning disparaged service by advising someone NOT to go into it because it enables war mongering?  Was it corrupt to expel Saddam from Kuwait?  Oust the Taliban?


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins]
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Shins said:
mpd said:
He is trying to establish moral equivalency as a substitute for actual physical courage.  That is what he is all about.


no im saying that physical courage can be very destructive without morality guiding it. 

and also that courage takes forms other than physical.

intellectual courage for one, one thing you appear to sorely lack.


Yeah, sure.  You ave loads of courage. 

Sounds legit.  :thumbup:


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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shins said:
is that so?  then why are you supporting unconstitutional wars?

have you even read the constitution?



mpd said:
That is not the military's problem, son.  In our country and under our system of governance, the military only does the mission the political leaders tell it to undertake.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States)

Quote:
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.[1]



you do not honor your oath.

you claim to have plenty of courage, but you sorely lack honor.



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Re: should I join the military? [Re: mpd]
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mpd said:
Shins said:
Quote:
mpd said:]
The reality of this world is that brute force dictates every solution.


you believe that because you lack wisdom.


Quote:
It doesn't have to be complex, son.  It just as to work.


and hows the war on terror working out for you?


Last I looked we were killing quite a few Muslim men, women and children and loosing very few patriots.



I like it how hippies actually believe we actually lost Militarily Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

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Re: should I join the military? [Re: zappaisgod]
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mpd said:
akira_akuma said:
one guy says one thing...

three different people come into argue with that person about his one statement...

the one guy is blamed for de-railing a thread and trolling...

mob rules.


Oh come now.  You had to know hat there was a risk of getting the redass if you popped in and started trashing the military, right?


well, doesn't make it right, even if i or him would have cared about getting a red ass. but you know, it's pretty typical... he literally said one thing and you guys have been arguing ever since...

who's fault is that?
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
zappaisgod said:
akira_akuma said:
i won't be bothered. no one will try and do anything unless they're purely motivated by greed and insolence. interrupt my life, and i feel like i should be able to do something about it... otherwise, though, i don't care what you or other's do.


Me either.  Our difference is that I know that the soldiers and the cops afford us that luxury and you don't.


you make asinine assumptions. i love the police force, when they do their job and not abuse people. i love soldiers when they are under orders to defend people and help freedom fighters. not when they are ordered to back corrupt international governments and rebels. i respect MPD for his service, no matter how small. it takes guts, regardless, to enter the ranks.

have you ever been in the army or police force, Zappa? no? i'm guessing no.


Have you not from the beginning disparaged service by advising someone NOT to go into it because it enables war mongering?  Was it corrupt to expel Saddam from Kuwait?  Oust the Taliban?

no, i haven't and yes, i do. i never said that one shouldn't join the military because they're evil or whatever... i never maintained that attitude, once. i just don't like military men say... raping people... killing civilians... ect ect... (see Vietnam) nor do i like police officers beating people down and putting old men with health problems on the ground for making a simple procedural misstep.

elax420 said:
mpd said:
Shins said:
Quote:
mpd said:]
The reality of this world is that brute force dictates every solution.


you believe that because you lack wisdom.


Quote:
It doesn't have to be complex, son.  It just as to work.


and hows the war on terror working out for you?


Last I looked we were killing quite a few Muslim men, women and children and loosing very few patriots.



I like it how hippies actually believe we actually lost Militarily Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.


just lost your possibility of denial.

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Re: should I join the military? [Re: akira_akuma]
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Uh huh.


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: Shins]
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Sure shins.  Like isaid,you have no credibility on this subject and your opinion is neither wanted or valued.  If we have a thread on how to cut the line at the local soup kitchen we will be all ears on what you have to say on the subject.  But ob this?  Sorry.  Nobody in our brotherhood cares one wit what you have to say.  Time to head back to The Knitting Channel.:laugh2:


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Re: should I join the military? [Re: zappaisgod]
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this thread is bananners :ohgodwhy:


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