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DoorsFan
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: ravin0fff]
#7603883 - 11/06/07 05:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ravin0fff said: i find it disgusting that you and so so many other people "respect" these kinds of decisions
completely unable to see through the bullshit thrown in your face obscuring your view of what that occupation is all about - killing for someone else's personal motives(which they, of course, will never allow you to know)
*sigh*
I'm sorry? It's something I want to do. I obviously have thought about that fact someone else is controlling where I go and what I am suppose to do. It's just like any other job, someone has got to do it. And if I actually want to do it whose problem is it other than mine?
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downforpot
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: Ego Death]
#7603904 - 11/06/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego Death said: So you don't believe its possible to live any other way?
If I had the belief that we could never transcend having to kill one another then we may as well kill the entire human race.
Would I want to be killed - no. So why would I want to kill another.
If everybody thought this way then it would not be necessary.
You seem to think that if the USA disbanded its military then the world will be peaceful....
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: downforpot]
#7603916 - 11/06/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I was Swiss, I'd have no problem being in the army. If I was in an armed force that was never, ever going to invade another country, or be used to subjugate one's own people, I'd have no problem with joining.
If you're enlisting in that sort of thing, then good luck to you. If you're becoming a mercenary to fight for someone's profit, no one but your family will mourn your death.
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downforpot
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I'm being subjugated by the US military?
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Ego Death
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: Silversoul]
#7605676 - 11/07/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: There is violence and hate in the world, thus the military is necessary. I certainly would like to see it used only for defense purposes, but unfortunately those in power don't see it that way. It's sad that you can't see the necessity of defense, and instead just judge people for how they should act in an ideal world. Even Shaolin monks recognize the sacred right to defend one's life. We can dream all we want about your utopian world where no one kills anyone, and we can even try to work to achieve that world, but to get rid of our military before other countries have achieved that level of awareness is suicide.
No, I agree with defense.
My point is these guys are contributing to the problem. That Utopian world can never happen if everyone takes the point of view 'war is necessary' so thus join an army and kill needlessly so some fat cat can get more power/wealth.
My argument quite simply is that I feel sorry for anyone that wants to contribute to this. Without a Utopian view - I have no hope for humanity, if I didn't believe that things COULD be different then I would think we may as well destroy the entire human race.
Its a glimmer of hope inside that one day we will transcend this bullshit. If I have to subject my children and their children to this eternally - with no possibility of change then we may as well start plotting to nuke the entire world and save millions from the pain of war.
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pong
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Visionary Tools said: If I was Swiss, I'd have no problem being in the army. If I was in an armed force that was never, ever going to invade another country, or be used to subjugate one's own people, I'd have no problem with joining.
If you're enlisting in that sort of thing, then good luck to you. If you're becoming a mercenary to fight for someone's profit, no one but your family will mourn your death.
this is too true. i like to clarify to people when i tell them about my military experience that it was a DEFENSIVE military. and that i did not kill anyone that had no intention of killing me. and i didnt kill anyone anyways(thank god). If the day comes however that i must defend the land of everything i love then i will fight and die with honor.
also to anyone saying military isnt necessary well i "LOL" at you because you know nothing. ever thought that some countries dont use theirs unless they are attacked by another country?
in response to the above if every military was defensive. they would be slowly phased out then some assholes will realize this and try to take some shit over.
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Cameron
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: Ego Death]
#7605705 - 11/07/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego Death said:
No, I agree with defense.
My point is these guys are contributing to the problem. That Utopian world can never happen if everyone takes the point of view 'war is necessary' so thus join an army and kill needlessly so some fat cat can get more power/wealth.
My argument quite simply is that I feel sorry for anyone that wants to contribute to this. Without a Utopian view - I have no hope for humanity, if I didn't believe that things COULD be different then I would think we may as well destroy the entire human race.
Its a glimmer of hope inside that one day we will transcend this bullshit. If I have to subject my children and their children to this eternally - with no possibility of change then we may as well start plotting to nuke the entire world and save millions from the pain of war.
Greed and lust for power and wealth, superiority, and control are all human traits dating back thousands and thousands of years. Most of us would love nothing better than to live in a Utopian state of peace and understanding, but history proves that peace is temporary and the opportunity to impose one's power on another will soon arise. Soldiers have always been pawns in the hands of their political masters, on both sides of the war effort; public opinion can be manipulated, propaganda can generate hate and intolerance, and suddenly war seems to be the only solution to solve our problems. Even if an entire society managed to overcome every tendency to military action, how do they ensure that every other society follows suit? Again, it is likely that only military action will subdue radical politics across the globe - because if WE'RE not shooting, and THEY are, they will undoubtedly win.
I don't understand what you mean by destroying the world if there is no hope of putting end to warfare and the suffering it causes. Millions upon millions of people are dying at this very instant due to poor living conditions, starvation, disease, etc but we don't contemplate wiping out the human race because of that. Of course we'd all love to see a Utopia in our lifetime, but human nature itself has proven that to be an impossibility.
Sorry if that wasn't exactly coherent... it's five in the morning and I'm not exactly an articulate fellow.
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: DoorsFan]
#7605722 - 11/07/07 06:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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this thread reaks of faggotry.
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downforpot
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: Cameron]
#7605723 - 11/07/07 06:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ego, how long are you gonna be living in wonderland? The real world can be a ruthless, cold place.
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Re: Joined the Army [Re: DoorsFan]
#7605744 - 11/07/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DoorsFan said:
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ravin0fff said: i find it disgusting that you and so so many other people "respect" these kinds of decisions
completely unable to see through the bullshit thrown in your face obscuring your view of what that occupation is all about - killing for someone else's personal motives(which they, of course, will never allow you to know)
*sigh*
I'm sorry? It's something I want to do. I obviously have thought about that fact someone else is controlling where I go and what I am suppose to do. It's just like any other job, someone has got to do it. And if I actually want to do it whose problem is it other than mine?
the people getting caught up and killed between the governments money fueled war on.. something?
it sounds like you have an opportunity that you are set on pursuing, i awefa sorry to reoa
Edited by Psilobuds (11/07/07 06:55 AM)
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