ThisIsKitty said:

Fuck off and let the cop do his job. Stoners like this are annoying as fuck.

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Why is someone standing up for their rights labeled a "stoner"? 

"Don't stand up for your rights, just bend over and let them stick it up your ass"

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The Milgram experiment on obedience to authority figures was a series of notable social psychology experiments conducted by Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram, which measured the willingness of study participants to obey an authority figure who instructed them to perform acts that conflicted with their personal conscience.

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The experiments began in July 1961, three months after the start of the trial of German Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann in Jerusalem. Milgram devised his psychological study to answer the question: "Was it that Eichmann and his accomplices in the Holocaust had mutual intent, in at least with regard to the goals of the Holocaust?" In other words, "Was there a mutual sense of morality among those involved?" Milgram's testing suggested that it could have been that the millions of accomplices were merely following orders, despite violating their deepest moral beliefs

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In Milgram's first set of experiments, 65 percent (26 of 40)[1] of experiment participants administered the experiment's final massive 450-volt shock,

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The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.
Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.

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k00laid said:

the door being unlocked is not an exigent circumstance.

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Shins said:

Prisoner#1 said:

once more "exigent circumstances"

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an unlocked door alone does not constitute "exigent circumstances"  nor does it justify violating the 4th amendment.

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Prisoner#1 said:

show us where cops asking questions is a violation of your rights

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Shins said:

pris, there is no "complaint given by a concerned neihbor reporting that there was a
suspicious character skulking around the property"  in your car.


if someone reported to the authorities that they saw an illegal immigrant hide in your trunk beforehand then your point makes sense,  but that is not what we are dealing with here.

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Shins said:

Prisoner#1 said:

show us where cops asking questions is a violation of your rights

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they have no authority to detain you and demand your ID without reasonable suspicion.

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Prisoner#1 said:

care to show us where it's illegal for a cop to open someone's car door?

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k00laid said:

start watching @ 9:05 pris.

this cop opens their door without probable cause or consent.
he broke da law. :punishment:

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Prisoner#1 said:

as was asked: care to show us where it's illegal for a cop to open someone's car door?

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Prisoner#1 said:

what determines detention according to the courts

if you're driving a vehicle they most certainly can demand your ID

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Enlil said:

What makes you think that is against the law?

Please cite the statute or common law that supports this claim.

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Enlil said:

You must not have read the 4th amendment, shins...do it and get back to us.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

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Enlil said:

Good..you read it...now point out the part that says that a cop can't demand ID or open a car door.

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the bold part.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[1]

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