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Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals
    #3338116 - 11/09/04 04:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck?

Pharmacists in some areas are refusing to give women the birth control they are prescribed because of their belief that birth control is wrong.

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338162 - 11/09/04 04:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

is that legal there?


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: kadakuda]
    #3338175 - 11/09/04 04:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not participate in procedures that go against their conscience.



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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338224 - 11/09/04 04:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

:grin:  i should read these things fully not scan...:O


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: kadakuda]
    #3338231 - 11/09/04 04:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

damn bible belt...

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Boom]
    #3338241 - 11/09/04 04:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, I was mad at first until I read that the state concerned was Mississippi.  Then I wasn't surprised at all.  :rolleyes:

It's still fucking bullshit though.  If you can't do the job, then move out of the fucking way and let someone else take charge.

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338243 - 11/09/04 04:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

religion=bad thinking=bad we need robots to give us our pills


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338264 - 11/09/04 04:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not participate in procedures that go against their conscience.







Man, that is total crap. What if it was in the concience of the doctor to not give someone a prescription because of their skin color or lifestyle? How fucking fair is that? This is a prime example religion and law need to be completely seperate, but then again, it's practically a gaurantee that doctors will practice this regardless of the law.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Society]
    #3338274 - 11/09/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i know a straight edge pharmacist, that will deny women the morning after pill if they get it too often, not only that he will call around to all of the other pharmacies and tell them not to give it to her too. same thing with repetitive pain killer meds, i.e. vicodin.
hell straight up deny them their medicationand go bitch out the doctor, apparently this is legal?!


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3338298 - 11/09/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

This is such bullshit. I maybe could understand about doctors saying no about painkillers/etc. MAYBE...if the person was clearly abusing them or something...

But damn...birth control????

I hope someone called 'Karma' gets one of these doctor's daughters knocked up...hehe

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338311 - 11/09/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That's just ignorant. Do they refuse to sell condoms too?

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH] * 1
    #3338313 - 11/09/04 05:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

There should be mandatory abortions for everyone in Mississippi.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: silversoul7]
    #3338337 - 11/09/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Discrimination like that should be fucking unheard of. What the hell's wrong with people nowadays? Jeeze louise.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3338354 - 11/09/04 05:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i dont know but i would think, even in Mississippi, that its ilelgal to share PRIVATE information about someone with every other pharmacy/doctors office. if that guy was sharing details about my sex life (as it sounds liek it is, hope im wrong) i would be calling the lawyer.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338395 - 11/09/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thats ok if they have a baby they can just give it too the pharmacists.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338434 - 11/09/04 05:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills. "Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."




Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338499 - 11/09/04 06:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills. "Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."




Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.




Then share your knowlege; what is the context and purpose we're missing?

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: phi1618]
    #3338587 - 11/09/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i believe the big deal is the fact its birth control. and that the one pharmacist was telling others nto to fill a certain persons perscritpions. that really gets me red. if i had to decide whether i agreed with that law based on that article i do disagree with it. but i dont know the actuall law. im certainly against not allowing birth control, and many other medications.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: phi1618]
    #3338606 - 11/09/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Pharmacy is not some simple profession anyone who can count pills can enter into.

To practice pharmacy, a license is required. Licensure requires graduation from an accredited pharmacy degree program, passage of a State board examination, possession of a specified amount of practical experience, or an internship under the supervision of a licensed Pharmacist. Internships generally are served in a community or hospital pharmacy.

At least five years of study beyond high school are required to graduate from one of the degree programs accredited by the American Council on Pharmaceutical Education. Five years are needed to obtain a Bachelor of Science or a Bachelor of Pharmacy degree, the degrees received by most graduates. Depending upon a student's educational background, six or seven years are required for a Doctor of Pharmacy degree.

They supply and advise people on the use of non-prescription medicines. Pharmacists must understand the, composition, and effect of drugs and how they are tested for purity and strength. They often maintain patient medication profiles, and advise physicians on the proper selection and use of medicines.

Making a pharmaceutical agent by compounding ingredients to form powders, tablets, capsules, ointments, and solutions is now only a small part of Pharmacists' practice, since most medicines are produced by manufacturers in the required dosage and form.

The practice of pharmacy is a vital part of total health care, requiring today's Pharmacists to be very knowledgeable. Pharmacists use patient profiles to insure that harmful drug interactions do not occur and to monitor patient compliance with the doctor's instructions. Consequently, Pharmacists are playing a more active role as they give more consultations and have more direct contact with patients.

To sum it up pharmacists are the last line of defense between recovery and disaster. If they feel what the doctor has prescribed is not right or unsafe they are obligated to not dispense the medication and follow whatever precedure to find out why the doctor has done what they have. Pharmacists are often much more knowledgable on drugs than doctors as it is their sole job and it is vital to the health care profession that they prevent the taking of harmful medicines.

The law must be in place to ensure safety and the subject of conception is just very iffy. If a pharmacist believes that life begins whens the sperm enters the egg then they would feel as if a life is being taken in the admistration of the morning after pill. It is their duty to prevent that, just as it would be to stop a pregnant woman from taking a pill which would cause a miscarriage. Which is why i said not administering pre-conceptual birth control is groundless and stupid.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338653 - 11/09/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You presume much. While I understand that Pharmacists require considerable professional accreditation and are the "last line of defense" between doctor and patient, there's a world of difference between denying a patient an addictive or dangerous substance, and denying the patient a prescription on moral grounds. How far should a pharmacist go in deciding what's "right" for the patient? Should the pharmacist go so far as to try to impose his/her moral code on another? This is what bothers me about this whole situation...

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: MOTH]
    #3338675 - 11/09/04 06:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

With Bush in office for another four years I think we can expect to see growing conservatism on the issue of abortion. Wait until the Supreme Court gets a Republican facelift and then I wouldn't be surprised if Roe vs. Wade got overturned completely. Then all hell will break loose. This is getting sad.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3338697 - 11/09/04 06:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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You presume much. While I understand that Pharmacists require considerable professional accreditation and are the "last line of defense" between doctor and patient, there's a world of difference between denying a patient an addictive or dangerous substance, and denying the patient a prescription on moral grounds. How far should a pharmacist go in deciding what's "right" for the patient? Should the pharmacist go so far as to try to impose his/her moral code on another? This is what bothers me about this whole situation...




Did you even read by summary at all? I was saying that it is not acceptable to do it based on moral grounds which is why i said not handing out pre conceptual birth control is groundless and stupid. But if the pharmacist honestly believes that life begins right when the sperm enters and egg then it is their duty to not administer the drug. It is just a very iffy topic.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338712 - 11/09/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It certainly makes sense to give a pharmacist jurisdiction to deny a patient medication if there is contraindication, or other such problems. In this example, it sounds like the pharmacist is overstepping his bounds in what goes against his conscience. The problem with the law sounds like the wording is off and doesn?t give an indication of the purpose of the law.

What if you had a pharmacist who was against anti-biotics on a moral level? Or perhaps a doctor who feels it is wrong to take anti-depressants because ?it?s a sign of weakness?? It?s a judgment call not based on harm, but personal opinion. You definitely make a good point though, as doctors aren?t always aware of every medication a patient might be taking, and it?s good to have a second back up in case the doctor messes up.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Twirling]
    #3338727 - 11/09/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well have you seen the wording of the law? I haven't so neither of us can comment on it. If the law actually says based on "conscience" then i would agree it is worded improperly.

As i thought i had made it clear the decision should be based on possible harm caused to the patient and not on moral grounds.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338739 - 11/09/04 07:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Did you even read by summary at all? I was saying that it is not acceptable to do it based on moral grounds which is why i said not handing out pre conceptual birth control is groundless and stupid. But if the pharmacist honestly believes that life begins right when the sperm enters and egg then it is their duty to not administer the drug. It is just a very iffy topic.




Yes I did. And we ARE talking about pre-conceptual birth control, are we not? And just because a pharmacist believes that a human life begins at conception (a concept which many consider to be a moral one), is not grounds to deny a patient any prescribed medication. But you are right, it is a very "iffy" subject indeed....

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338743 - 11/09/04 07:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well, yeah if you want to get all technical, our 'lives' started way before we even began growing into an embryo/fetus. ALL of us were once little sperms swimming in a white sea of Souljuice.
With this in mind, it makes you wonder if male Anti-abortionists/Pro-Life actually masturbate - thus killing alot of.. "potential people"... Now that's the height of Hypocrisy if I've ever seen one.

"Every time you masturbate, God kills a :sperm:"

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3338756 - 11/09/04 07:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It's pre-child abuse! :eek:

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: blink]
    #3338769 - 11/09/04 07:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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sign of the times




Amen  :rolleyes:

Gotta love how religion preaches tolerance and respect for others beliefs.. Of course no religious leader would say that they force their beliefs on others..

So here we have pharmasists refusing to give pills to people, whats next religious bartenders who refuse to serve alcoholic drinks because of their morality?

Religion is killing our world.  :thumbdown:

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3338771 - 11/09/04 07:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes I did. And we ARE talking about pre-conceptual birth control, are we not? And just because a pharmacist believes that a human life begins at conception (a concept which many consider to be a moral one), is not grounds to deny a patient any prescribed medication. But you are right, it is a very "iffy" subject indeed....




Reread my very first post in this thread. How did anyone get the idea i was for pharmacists not filling a script for pre conceptual birth control? The article touched briefly on the morning after pill so i included in my post.

And if human life begins at conception then the administration of a morning after pill is killing a human being so the pharmacist would object.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3338780 - 11/09/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

this is going in a wierd direction, but i see where yer coming from.  but if we keep going further its not just masterbation its ANY orgasmn basically.  in a cunt or not.  still disposing of sperm.  even when a child is wanted there are millions of other loser sperm that die.  we're all going to hell :rolleyes:

i agree with d33p on it, as i think we all are, just in different wording.  but everyones definition of harm and when a sperm/egg is a human is going to differ.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3338786 - 11/09/04 07:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, yeah if you want to get all technical, our 'lives' started way before we even began growing into an embryo/fetus. ALL of us were once little sperms swimming in a white sea of Souljuice.
With this in mind, it makes you wonder if male Anti-abortionists/Pro-Life actually masturbate - thus killing alot of.. "potential people"... Now that's the height of Hypocrisy if I've ever seen one.

"Every time you masturbate, God kills a :sperm:"

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A sperm or an egg alone does not contain all the information needed for life to form, however a zygote does.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3338913 - 11/09/04 08:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.





*sigh* Okay, here's what I got from that. While you disagree with the pharmacist's decision, you call anyone else who disagrees with this ignorant and stupid. I find that statement rather ambiguous and more than a little insulting to whomever made a post to that effect, to say the least! That's all I have to say about that...

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3339132 - 11/09/04 09:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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And if human life begins at conception then the administration of a morning after pill is killing a human being so the pharmacist would object.





I was under the impression that morning after pills didn't work if conception had already taken place, or is it just that they don't work if the zygote hasn't yet reached the uterus wall?

Anyway I don't see how you could be morally opposed to birth control, which prevents conception. And the amazing thing is that these are probably the same people who are opposed to abortion...


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3347306 - 11/11/04 02:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.





*sigh* Okay, here's what I got from that. While you disagree with the pharmacist's decision, you call anyone else who disagrees with this ignorant and stupid. I find that statement rather ambiguous and more than a little insulting to whomever made a post to that effect, to say the least! That's all I have to say about that...




Well where was i insulting? People have a bad habit of applying negative connotations to words which should not have them. Ignorance is not a mean word, it simply means you do not have the proper information on a subject to make an informed decision. And the fact remains that people did not understand the context of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill scripts. I guess what i said is a little pretentious though, i tend to do that sometimes.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3347355 - 11/11/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.





*sigh* Okay, here's what I got from that. While you disagree with the pharmacist's decision, you call anyone else who disagrees with this ignorant and stupid. I find that statement rather ambiguous and more than a little insulting to whomever made a post to that effect, to say the least! That's all I have to say about that...




Well where was i insulting? People have a bad habit of applying negative connotations to words which should not have them. Ignorance is not a mean word, it simply means you do not have the proper information on a subject to make an informed decision. And the fact remains that people did not understand the context of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill scripts. I guess what i said is a little pretentious though, i tend to do that sometimes.




Ok, let's say the pharmacist was a devout catholic who believed that life began with a single sperm and a single egg, even if they had not joined together, so that killing a single sperm or egg was therefor killing an unborn and unconceived child. Would the pharmacist be within his or her remit to refuse to sell condoms or the pill based on this belief?

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3347411 - 11/11/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well most would consider being called ignorant and stupid an insult. Maybe not in your world though. And yes, your posting could be called a wee bit pretentious... :rolleyes:

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: Le_Canard]
    #3347556 - 11/11/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Well most would consider being called ignorant and stupid an insult. Maybe not in your world though. And yes, your posting could be called a wee bit pretentious... :rolleyes:




Wtf when did i say stupid? Nice try putting words in my mouth. And if you people can't even grasp semantics properly what is the point of using language when you are going to take it out of context and apply negative connotations to words that don't deserve them. Ignorant is not an insult and if you are to  stupid to understand that then it is your problem.

How was that for pretentious?  :tongue: :lol:


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: OJK]
    #3347588 - 11/11/04 03:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok, let's say the pharmacist was a devout catholic who believed that life began with a single sperm and a single egg, even if they had not joined together, so that killing a single sperm or egg was therefor killing an unborn and unconceived child. Would the pharmacist be within his or her remit to refuse to sell condoms or the pill based on this belief?





Omgosh please read my replies before posting. I stated that nothing short of a combined egg and sperm could be considered life. No christians think that a single egg or sperm constitutes life, and if they did then they are retarded.

I said that the only reason why a pharmacist should refuse to fill a script is if he feels that doing so would harm an individual. Now since life can be defined from any point after the egg and sperm combine the topic becomes iffy.

But of course since pharmacies are private companies they can do whatever the fuck they want end of story.


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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3348881 - 11/11/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Wow such ignorance. No one in this thread understands the context nor the purpose of the law allowing pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions.

Although i disagree with pharmacists not giving out pre-conceptual birth control specifically, thats just groundless and stupid.




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Most of us apparently don't live in your world, you see. Besides, you can't even remember what you wrote. Enough said...

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: d33p]
    #3354777 - 11/13/04 06:22 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok, let's say the pharmacist was a devout catholic who believed that life began with a single sperm and a single egg, even if they had not joined together, so that killing a single sperm or egg was therefor killing an unborn and unconceived child. Would the pharmacist be within his or her remit to refuse to sell condoms or the pill based on this belief?





Omgosh please read my replies before posting. I stated that nothing short of a combined egg and sperm could be considered life. No christians think that a single egg or sperm constitutes life, and if they did then they are retarded.

I said that the only reason why a pharmacist should refuse to fill a script is if he feels that doing so would harm an individual. Now since life can be defined from any point after the egg and sperm combine the topic becomes iffy.

But of course since pharmacies are private companies they can do whatever the fuck they want end of story.




Oh my gosh, the fact that you "stated" something doesn't make it universally true.

Why is it sensible to define a zygote that could potentially grow into a human being as "alive" and "retarded" to define a single egg and a single sperm that could potentially grow into a human being as life?

A zygote is simply a tiny organism with the appropriate genetic information to form a human being, given the right environment.

A single egg and sperm are structures with the appropriate genetic information to form a human being, given the right environment.

Please explain to me why one view is viable and the other "retarded"

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Re: Pharmacists refusing to give birth control to women due to morals [Re: OJK]
    #3417123 - 11/27/04 06:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

A single sperm does not contain enough information to produce a human. A single egg does not contain enough information to produce a human.

A zygote forms when these two combine and cleavage initiates and this contains enough information to produce a human.

Are you really that dense?


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