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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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What is Babylon?
    #1730124 - 07/19/03 03:17 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

not the historical Babylon
I'm talking about the modern day mythical Babylon
I keep hearing about it, is it some kind of metaphor?
what is it?



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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1730130 - 07/19/03 03:18 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

In reference to what?


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: MindTrap]
    #1730137 - 07/19/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

From what I understand modern day Babylon is the area around Iraq. I think it is a reference to a historical(biblical) landmark. If anybody has any good links or references I too would like to know more, so please post 'em. Thanks


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: FlusH]
    #1730139 - 07/19/03 03:23 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

its a sci-fi adventure series


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: Meat_Log_Smurf]
    #1730175 - 07/19/03 03:41 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no no no, I mean the mythical Babylon... you hear about it in songs and poems and stuff. it's a metaphor for something.

anyway, I have an idea what it is, I just want to make sure.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1730186 - 07/19/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

ive also wondered this. Bob Marley sings about it a lot.
Maybe its like a future garden of eden?


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1730467 - 07/19/03 05:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1730470 - 07/19/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

You're probably referring to the concept from the Rastafarian religion. Here's what it means...

From http://www.rasta-man.co.uk/religion.htm:

"Babylon is the Rastafarian term for the white political power structure that has been holding the black race down for centuries. In the past, Rasta see that blacks were held down physically by the shackles of slavery. In the present, Rasta feel that blacks are still held down through poverty, illiteracy, inequality, and trickery by the white man. The effort of Rasta is to try to remind blacks of their heritage and have them stand up against this Babylon."


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1730499 - 07/19/03 05:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Enter said:
Babylon is a nation (or domain of people) that live under a government which establishes what can only be called a heathenistic and chaotic society. There is no concern for order or intellect, except to obtain wealth (which, according to prophecy, Babylon becomes a "center for all nations" who "trades" and becomes rich by very unrighteous means. So much so, that even quote/unquote "evil" nations begin to hate Babylon because it is a reckless, filthy nation and it eventually becomes too influential throughout the world.



Doesn't this just scare the hell out of you?! I'm sure most of us live here in the United States.... Doesn't what he said just fucking SPELL U. S. A. ?!! I'm glad I'm leaving for Norway at the end of the month, I guess...


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1730505 - 07/19/03 05:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be glad.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1730618 - 07/19/03 07:05 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1730686 - 07/19/03 08:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Of course it doesn't scare YOU, because you are all righteous and holy. I forgot. By the way, I think Maynard is the reincarnation of Buddha, and Tool has a lot of melody, and he has marked you for life for saying that (ever heard the bass parts? super-melodic. and Maynard himself happens to be quite the melodic singer).

What I am saying is that it is sort of scary that it was in the Bible, seeings how it is quite accurate in describing the United States. Then again, it would be quite accurate in describing the Roman Empire, also. Hmm, that was right around the time that that was written.
I'm sure that's the definition of any empire, though. What else would hold the countries together? Love?
Peace.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1731162 - 07/19/03 11:44 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

well, keep in mind that not only does the bible have scary sounding prophecy, so does every other religious text. It only goes to reason that this was the way things would end up... look at history.

we're finally here, and now we have to do it.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: World Spirit]
    #1731195 - 07/20/03 12:03 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Enter said:
"Babylon" is repeatedly referred to by authors in the Bible, but its mainly found in John's "Revelation."

Babylon is a nation (or domain of people) that live under a government which establishes what can only be called a heathenistic and chaotic society. There is no concern for order or intellect, except to obtain wealth (which, according to prophecy, Babylon becomes a "center for all nations" who "trades" and becomes rich by very unrighteous means. So much so, that even quote/unquote "evil" nations begin to hate Babylon because it is a reckless, filthy nation and it eventually becomes too influential throughout the world.
More can be read here:
Revelation 14:8 and on...



In the Reveation Babylon refers to Rome and the whore to the catholic church.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1731209 - 07/20/03 12:08 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

My impression was always that Modern Day Babylon symbolized the American Empire.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1731501 - 07/20/03 02:23 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
My impression was always that Modern Day Babylon symbolized the American Empire.


Strange you should mention that, the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force and the 1st Marine Division are now being based at CAMP BABYLON, Iraq.

Given the description of Babylon from Revelation, being on those 7 hills... there are only a few cities in the world that match that description... Rome being one of them. So, I stand by the interpretation of Babylon being Rome and the whore being the catholic church.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1731537 - 07/20/03 02:38 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, that passage is pretty intense.. especially the bit about the reapers. The voice of the heavens warned that any who worshipped the beast would receive the full wrath of G-d, and then the reapers killed enough people to to create a pool of human blood multiple feet high for two hundred miles.

Even taken metaphorically, that's enough to put the fear of G-d in a lot of people. It's been a while since I read through the Bible, but it's pretty easy to see how simple it is to convice a large group of people of anything, given the right words and images.

Two hundred miles, hot damn.


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1731552 - 07/20/03 02:46 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Babylon is a nation (or domain of people) that live under a government which establishes what can only be called a heathenistic and chaotic society. There is no concern for order or intellect, except to obtain wealth (which, according to prophecy, Babylon becomes a "center for all nations" who "trades" and becomes rich by very unrighteous means. So much so, that even quote/unquote "evil" nations begin to hate Babylon because it is a reckless, filthy nation and it eventually becomes too influential throughout the world.


Sounds like the US to me.. that's all I'm saying..


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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: Shroomism]
    #1731989 - 07/20/03 11:33 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

It sounds like the U.S.; however, I took his links he had to Revelations, and it barely said any of that. Unless he took it from other, un-Biblical sources, it is his own words. "8 And another angel, a second one, followed, saying, '(1) Fallen, fallen is (2) Babylon the great, she who has (3) made all the nations drink of the (4) wine of the passion of her immorality.'" None of the cross referenced even hinted at what he said.
Of course, taking creative liberties to make it seem like a picture perfect example of the United States WOULD make us all want to convert to Christianity, now wouldn't it? He said that it doesn't scare him, of course not!
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Re: What is Babylon? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1731996 - 07/20/03 11:36 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

actually a lot of Christians in this country think that the US is Zion, not Babylon...


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