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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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i did my first psychedelics around 16-17,shit....i wish i would have done them sooner!!!

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: chilly187]
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i really dont see why adolescence would be even crazier because of mushrooms. if anythinng, shrooms would help you go through the phase easier. Everyone goes nuts in their adolescence...and stays nuts... it's actually kind of funny. i laugh at people who are all like "it's a sensitive time! stay sober"! What the hell? You go insane when you're a teen! . Adults are recovered teens :smile:

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: ncj]
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On a simply biological level, I'd say "after adolescence;" I'd say 16-17 years old.

On another level, there's the whole emotional maturity factor. Some people become mostly emotionally mature before they're done growing pubes. Others never do. *shrugs* That one's totally subjective.


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: ncj]
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I was 21 when I smoked pot for the first time, and I'm grateful for that. That was almost a decade ago. They say there is a place for experimenting and its called college, just watch your grades. You CAN be academically successful and still dabble and puff but some people just can't. There is alot of complex chemistry going on in our brains at sixteen without drugs, it just feels right to me that you wanna get through some of those rough teen times, experience and become a little more comfortable with THIS before you leap headlong into THAT...

Know what I mean, Verne?

My teens were rough enough without ethnobotanicaly-induced earth-shaking paradigm shifts in my conciousness... I had plenty of those on my own!


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: psilyhunter]
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well, its official.  my dad is a schizo.  he has been getting worse lately, mentioning suicide and thought of murdering me and my mom.  he was put on a medication called zyprexa, and after a day of taking it he didnt seem to get any better.  my mom took him to the hospital where he is in the mental health facility and on medication.  he will probably be there for a couple of days until he shows signs of improvement.

i asked my mom if there have ever been any other family members of his or hers with schizophrenia, and she said no.  apparentally he is the first.  she did mention a cousin of my dad who had mental problems, but not schizophrenia.  it's strange because he is the only known person in our family to have it, and he is like 45.  i heard psychotic illnesses usually show up between 15-30 and are genetic.

i went to visit him today and that place creeped me out.  he kept talking about the voices he was hearing and how they were cursing and
taunting him.  i feel bad for the guy, even though he hasnt really been much of a dad.  being there even made me consider my usage of pot and alcohol.  i'm really confused right now.  :confused:

i heard marijuana may trigger psychosis in someone who is vulnerable, such as someone who has a family member with it.  i've only had a couple of bad highs on weed which i didnt enjoy, but those were when i was in uncomfortable places or with stranger. 

i remember once i had to walk like a mile home while high, and as i was walkin i was extremely paranoid and was imagining that people were yelling things at me like "get the hell out of here you junkie" and "i know your hallucinating".  i always feel like this when i'm high and around strangers, even when i first started.  i remember in my newbie days when i used to smoke in an area behind a school i would have to walk home and i would imagine the the dea was watching me and about to bust me.  as soon i would get home those feelings would go away though.  i always just brushed these feelings off as paranoia from the weed and nothing having to do with schizophrenia.

also, on the last 4/20 i smoked way too much.  i had to walk home again and it was really hot and i think i got dehydrated.  i felt like throwing up but couldnt, and i just layed on my bed thinking things like "u need to quit drugs" and "dont ever try shrooms".  i don't know if this was a sign or not, but i just brushed it off as i smoked too much.

whenever i smoke in my room or someone else's house and listen to music or watch tv, i have always loved it.  i love mary jane, but i dont know if she is worth risking my mental health.

is there anyone else here in a situation similar to mine?  any advice or comments would be appreciated. 


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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>>after 4 trips...
...So the idea that having the family mental history guarantees psychedelics will damage you long-term is inaccurate,<<

This is the statement of an ignorant person. I doubt those 4 trips were spaced out over 4-8 years. Long term doesn't mean days, weeks, or even months. It can take years for a person's symptoms to worsen and become noticeable.

I do not recommend dosing with a history of schizophrenia, I also don't recommend heavy pot abuse as its not a healthy mindset either.

But every now and then is just fine, every couple days...


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: DrubuShrume]
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Well im screwed I am adopted so I have no idea of the history in my family. Im 19, but to boot I am a bit phyco to begin with. *shrugs* I suspose staying up for a week didn't help either (other bad drugs). But i do plan on shrooming and having a good time, if i end up in the institution so be it the worlds gonna end soon anyhow... But if ya don't have a carefree total lack of self respect as i do I would say wait don't ruin your life man. If you want a future do all you can to protect it... just my thoughts though.

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: ncj]
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ncj said:
well, its official.  my dad is a schizo.  he has been getting worse lately, mentioning suicide and thought of murdering me and my mom.  he was put on a medication called zyprexa, and after a day of taking it he didnt seem to get any better.  my mom took him to the hospital where he is in the mental health facility and on medication.  he will probably be there for a couple of days until he shows signs of improvement.

i asked my mom if there have ever been any other family members of his or hers with schizophrenia, and she said no.  apparentally he is the first.  she did mention a cousin of my dad who had mental problems, but not schizophrenia.  it's strange because he is the only known person in our family to have it, and he is like 45.  i heard psychotic illnesses usually show up between 15-30 and are genetic.

i went to visit him today and that place creeped me out.  he kept talking about the voices he was hearing and how they were cursing and
taunting him.  i feel bad for the guy, even though he hasnt really been much of a dad.  being there even made me consider my usage of pot and alcohol.  i'm really confused right now.  :confused:

i heard marijuana may trigger psychosis in someone who is vulnerable, such as someone who has a family member with it.  i've only had a couple of bad highs on weed which i didnt enjoy, but those were when i was in uncomfortable places or with stranger. 

i remember once i had to walk like a mile home while high, and as i was walkin i was extremely paranoid and was imagining that people were yelling things at me like "get the hell out of here you junkie" and "i know your hallucinating".  i always feel like this when i'm high and around strangers, even when i first started.  i remember in my newbie days when i used to smoke in an area behind a school i would have to walk home and i would imagine the the dea was watching me and about to bust me.  as soon i would get home those feelings would go away though.  i always just brushed these feelings off as paranoia from the weed and nothing having to do with schizophrenia.

also, on the last 4/20 i smoked way too much.  i had to walk home again and it was really hot and i think i got dehydrated.  i felt like throwing up but couldnt, and i just layed on my bed thinking things like "u need to quit drugs" and "dont ever try shrooms".  i don't know if this was a sign or not, but i just brushed it off as i smoked too much.

whenever i smoke in my room or someone else's house and listen to music or watch tv, i have always loved it.  i love mary jane, but i dont know if she is worth risking my mental health.

is there anyone else here in a situation similar to mine?  any advice or comments would be appreciated. 



Hey chief, I am 19. My old fella has ADD and my mum is has a form of Schizophrenia and is on Zoloft. Not good.

I have used Psychedelcis (P. Sub and acid) relatively frequently for the last 6 months, moreover because I have moved out of home and am living with a few friends. I smoked pot (although i wouldn't call myself a pot-head) from 15, and well at Uni (where I am studying Psychology), its kinda the law...  :wink:

How much influence has your father had over you in your upbringing? Schizophrenia is a tricky illness, putting it simply, there are major variations within the one illness (like it can be brought on from being locked in a room for days and it can also be sepretly be brought on through your genes).

As there are no others in your family with a history of it, it is possible that you will not be at all affected. Still this is not a green light for you to plow head first into the world of psychedilics. There are many other things to consider. At 16. reflect on your reasons for wanting to use them. Are they really legitimate? Do you think you are mature enough? Chances are, your probably not... and that your looking for an escape. In my experience, this is not a healthy stance to be entering into this realm with. I did it, and I realised that I could and should work through my problems without drugs... it seemed such a waste. So i did work through them, and then embarked upon my spiritual quest with a sure and stable self knowlege. But then thats just me. :smile:

It is an excellent sign that you have decided to wait in my opinion. Also, only do it when your sure, not 95% sure, 100% sure.

Also, I'm not sure, but it seems a reasnable assumption to make; that using these drugs at an early age will damage parts of your brain. Although, with psilocybin, you should be at less risk in actually hurting your brain than with other drugs like mescaline and acid. Also, DO NOT try Salvia until you brain plateau's if you know what I mean. It screws with your immune system, which physiologically is vital for you at your age. Ideally i think 18 (minimum) and onwards  is when you are mentally and physically best able to deal with a psychedlic experience.

Hope that helps a bit :smile:

Colum 

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: Doogle]
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>>Also, DO NOT try Salvia until you brain plateau's if you know what I mean. It screws with your immune system,

Where did you hear that? I have never heard that salvia is bad for immune system.

As for doing psychedelics...i would not. You should wait. In fact, nobody should do anything untill your brain is fully developed

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: ncj]
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I did not do my first trip until I was 30, and I am glad that it happen that way.
If you are asking this question is because you have doubt, and that is good, something in you is telling you to wait.
If you do them now will not understand the meaning and the experience of shrooms, hell at 36 It still eludes me.
But I am telling you this because I was once 16 and trust me you still to green for most things in life.
And is nothing wrong with that, is part of life, shrooms are still going to be there when you need them so there is no rush.
You may think, you are cool, mature and that you know it all, but you will see in time that it was the opposite, is just your hormones talking there.
Is your choice, but choose wisely.


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: LOBO]
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Crazycanadian, the effects of Salvia differ from person to person. I have a friend who explained to me how. also, he said that lots of study is going into it. He's a chemist, therefore, i kinda trust him :smile: 

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: Doogle]
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how bad is it for immune system? does this only occur at early ages?

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: crazycanadian]
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thanks for the help guys, but i have decided to stay away from psychedelics at least until i move out and in college. what i am wondering about is whether or not i should be smoking pot. i've read articles that pot can trigger psychosis in someone who is already vulnerable, such as [url=http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s777336.htm]this oneurl] . what do you guys think?


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: crazycanadian]
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I did shrooms for the first time when I was 16. It didn't affect me too much... I didn't have any long-term changes in perception, I just knew what it was like to hallucinate.

I dropped acid for the first time when I was 17, and it FLIPPED MY WORLD. Seriously I have never been the same since that night... It was the most earth-shattering experience ever..

And then I became addicted to the psychedlic mindstate. Even when I was sober, all I wanted to think about was that special place I travelled to on acid. It was all very beautiful and magical for awhile (I still have memories of that time, and it is just the most pleasant spiritual feeling)... I remember it every time I smell incense.

But it wasn't too long before I realized I had some serious problems in dealing with life. I had a history of bad depression around the time I first started doing shrooms.... It went away for awhile, but around a year after I did acid, I fell into a really bad depression hole.

I have had SERIOUS problems coping with reality in the past couple years, (problems like being stuck in the same thought for weeks on end, etc. not being able to make sense of anything around you, feeling like an empty machine moving around, life feeling like a total fucking mind-fuck... no stability)
and I have no doubt it is mainly because of acid.

I don't regret it. As far as I'm concerned it was meant to happen, and I do believe it's given me some real insight that I never would have gotten otherwise.

Be very careful what you do. Don't throw everything away chasing something that you may never find.
Your life is very sacred, and I'm glad to see you seem to realize that already.

p.s. (16 is really too young, wait till your out of highschool at the least)

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
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I'm 16 and i tried shrooms twice at pretty low doses (2.5 grams), I agree u should wait till your fully developed but i say if u do you do it once in a while it wont harm you.but if schitzo (spelling?) thats a different story,personally i wouldnt but my friend did and his dad is schitzo and hes fine.this is only him though i dont know how it will affect u

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: showcivic17]
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how does pot effect a.d.d. I have a.d.d and i smoked pot for over a year but no signs of change.all i know is when i smoke thoughts fly through my head at super speed.sometimes when i get really high i cant pay attention to what people r saying because thoughts go through my head soooo fast.does anyone else have a.d.d and smoke pot

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: showcivic17]
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hope you young kids don't get banned.. this site is supposed to be 18-year-olds only, so if they ban you, make a new screen name and play an 18-year-old.


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: Strumpling]
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im over 18

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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: showcivic17]
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well happy birthday and happy birthday..... wow time's really flying! several hours ago you were 16.

Further proof that there is "something fishey" going on with this universe


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Re: should i use psychedelics? [Re: ncj]
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Quote:
and have smoked alot of pot for a while. i've never heard any voices or had any mental problems at all. i'm worried because i heard that schizophrenia is hereditary and that if i start using psychedelics, such as shrooms



this reminds me of when DARE or DART whatever they call themselves came to our school and talked bout how marijuana is a gateway drug.

But for your question... I honostly don't know. Drugs, in general, aren't good for you. Do whatever you want man. Give it a couple days to REALLY REALLY THINK over it. But if you decide to do it, dose 2grams max


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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