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Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past.
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Life's a mixture of attractive and repulsive experiences, and these help shaping how we are as people.

I had more negative experiences than most, growing up, and this has had considerable consequences for the rest of my life.

It was no surprise and in fact a desired situation that, shortly after I began tripping, that after a few abstract trips of laughter and flying colors, negative empotions and sensations began to find their way into the trips.

"Bad trips" started happening, where for hours on end I struggled with difficult material.

as this progressed, it became very clear that behind the discomforts were insufficiently resolved experiences, which showed themselves as "psychedelic side effects", and crises like panic attacks.

I knew how to react to that: sit still or lie still, close your eyes, observe the sensations as they flow through you without getting caught up in them too much.

Psychedelics jostle unresolved experiencres loose, and letting these unpleasantnesses do their thing with you, allows your mind to process and further integrate the messed up experience.

If you let that happen, you are working with your brain to voluntarily engage in a living nightmare with the expressed purpose of digging up the unresolved soituations to give them a proper, deeper, burial, so they don't stink up your daily life as they decompose in peace.

What a "bad trip" is, if it is not caused by taking too much or environment factors, is generally a type of nightmare your mind gives you to re-live a painful experience so you can leave it behind you in a better way.

If you keep at this, you tidy up your mind more and more and because of this life will become easier and more pleasant for you as you simply function better with all that unresolved stuff out of the way.

Generally last to go are the birth trauma and death anxiety, the biggest ones, after which your mind reboots itself with the faulty processes, terninated.

This is one way in which psychedelics heal people and change them for the better, by working through their issues ao that they can rise above.

That is very hard work - but one of the best things you can do for your wellbeing - to confront the skeletons in the closet and give them a proper burial where they belong.

So, got a bad trip?

Try to sit or lie down comfortably.

Try to relax your body and breath.

Eyes Closed

Focus on what you experience.

Allow it to flow through you.

Just let it flow through you.

It begins.

There's a plateau to it

A climax..

and it will go away.

And when it goes away while you let it be, it will be far less likely to come back to haunt you.

Some stories need out, and you try not to face up to them, but you're gonna have to.

So, its OK. Let it happen.

Let it flow through you and reach a resolve.


This Too Shall Pass.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. *DELETED* [Re: Asante] * 1
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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: ButtFace]
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Absolutely they can, and entheogens have an affinity for opening the closets with the skeletons.





And then you know it, and can work with it, and further microdoses will help you in that process.

Painful, abusive experiences, weird stuff that made you feel unsafe, casual remarks guillotining your self esteem...

Its good it gets out.



The lowest doses can get super intense because your brain can dial things up if it deems it important for you to face something to the fullest. Then one microdose can feel like 50.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: ButtFace]
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ButtFace said:
This is very well put and I have experienced the same on doses of L  greater than or equal to 200ug.

However, I was microdosing on a volumetricly(is this a word?) 10ug dose of L and a traumatic event from my childhood, that was locked in my subconscious, was brought to the forefront. Now I know why I was not functioning at 100% and struggling for decades.  I was so young that I completely locked the trauma away so I could survive as a youngster. I totally forgot about it until dosing. Now I am working through it.  I didn't know that a microdose could bring that about.



Do you think you could even have understood the trauma as a child? One of my 'unlocked' experiences came with an understanding that the incident was well beyond my capability for description and understanding at the time.

My reaction was rooted in mis-perception. I knew I had something to avoid, but instead focused on the wrong things to avoid. Alas, it's easy to get things wrong as a child.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: LeafRaker]
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A lot of difficult experiences in childhood, when reassessed as an adult, lead to far different perceptions as an adult. Generally wrong ois still wrong, but your conclusions drawn from the event may be found to be greatly distorted by you having been a kid at the time.

For instance, kids in difficult situations have a tendency to think everything is their fault or that highly unreasonable actions by adults were deserved, when the wrong was on the other end as seen through adult eyes.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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I read an article some time ago about a research done with people who had "bad trips" on psychedelics. Questionnaire like, and it appeared in most of cases the hard experience unfolded as resilience and resources for the individuals, in most of cases.

I can't find the article, but this interview talks about the same.
I find what that article said and what OP says to reflect my own experience as well.
Bad trips can be very resourceful, but worth noting that, as the interview here says, they need to be worked out, either in the trip or after it


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/qanda_griffiths.html

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: riomar]
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Thank you, Asante, for helping me some sense of it all.
I will accept it as it comes, and let it flow througth me, without
letting my past hang-ups get me down.

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Shakedown Street]
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Asante said:
What a "bad trip" is, if it is not caused by taking too much or environment factors, is generally a type of nightmare your mind gives you to re-live a painful experience so you can leave it behind you in a better way.


Generally I agree with this too. As far as everything else that essentially is a type of meditation. When most people sit for long enough with their eyes closed not doing anything and not thinking then too unpleasant feelings start to arise which and be resolved the same way. With psychedelics it just seems to be bringing out bigger/deeper things.


I think I about got murdered before on tail end of trip. I was trying to get some rest sleep even at that point. I really did try this method but not sure I would be alive had I stayed there. Sometimes I wonder how internal events synchronistically unfold as external events maybe because you still have blind spots internally.

It was super strange was having a great trip but external happenings kept getting frantic around me. Just as I would rest or thought it was over potential violence would erupt again. 

Eventually had to drive somewhere to get out of the place which sucked because I had taken some huge bong rips to try to get to sleep. My biggest reluctance to leaving was the thought about getting pulled over...
Within first 3 minutes cop SUV pulls out of a watch spot and is following behind me this is at like 1 or 2am in the morning too. As I'm being followed I just try to clear my mind into silence which surprisingly seems to work but my heart is pounding. I don't deviate from the original path I was going to take and eventually they quit following me when I take a turn off.

It might not sound like much but the first person experience of this was a ridiculous series of events. 
Eventually cooled off but felt dejected by the whole experience and my seemingly lack of direction on how to handle it.
I read this in a book years after this experience and seems correct at least in the context of this one experience.

Quote:
In the case of mahamudra, the application or the technique is not quite like the Zen approach of logic, questioning, or koans. It is, in a sense, a highly extroverted practice—you don’t need inward scriptures, but you work with the external aspect of scriptures, which is the phenomenal world. Mahamudra has a cutting quality as well, but that cutting or penetrating quality is purely based on your experiential relationship with the phenomenal world.

If your relationship to the phenomenal world is distorted or if you are going too far, then the sword of Manjushri—the equivalent of the sword of Manjushri, which is the phenomenal world—shakes you and demands your attention. In other words, the situation begins to become hostile or destructive for you if you are not in tune with it, if you are dazed or if you’re confused. If you are not willing to put your patience and discipline into practice, then such situations come up. In this case, mahamudra is very much purely dealing with the phenomenal world aspect of symbolism. So mahamudra practice contains a great deal of study of events or situations, of questions—which brings us to the same point.


Really these are just my crazy ramblings :dawerp:


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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What do you think about new trauma presenting itself during a trip? What I mean is have you ever had to go through a difficult external situation while tripping? I got broken up with during the peak of a 3.5gram mushroom trip when I was 18 and it was one of the most important/formative things that ever happened to me. I was lost mentally, very confused from the mushrooms. I was lost circumstantially, I was getting dumped in real time and in person. Intense things like that have happened a lot to me during different trips and having to navigate them from that "beginner's mind" headspace is a very spiritually interesting thing.

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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"Life's a mixture of attractive and repulsive experiences, and these help shaping how we are as people."
    - Asante


So what you're saying is that doing psychedelics help you remember and to
re-experience your initial sense of repulsion that you felt when a revolting
experience caused you to repulse, to recoil, and to retract from it ?

And how exactly does re-experiencing (reliving an earlier experience using
psychedelics to re-stimulate that old memory)  change your psyche?  Is it the experience of feeling good that you learned to avoid slugs, assuming slugs was the thing that repulsed you ?

Or is it something else?    Maybe recognizing now that the thing was harmless,
and caused you no discomfort, distress, or disease even though it looked
frightening at first glance ?

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
If you keep at this, you tidy up your mind more and more and because of this life will become easier and more pleasant for you as you simply function better with all that unresolved stuff out of the way.


Well said, that's exactly what happens IME too. :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Shakedown Street]
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What I have heard about MMDA in particular is that it allows you to experience difficult feelings with less distress. PTSD involves a memory, accompanied by intense fear, that has become very ingrained. It capitalizes, I believe on mechanisms for survival built into our brain that teach us to stay away from danger. But in PTSD, that fear is too well learned and spreads to daily life. The treatment, whether it is psychotherapy alone or with MMDA, encourages recall of the distressing event in a safe environment, pairing the memory with relaxation and a sense of safety. MMDA seems to make that a lot easier to accomplish, in much less time. I think all the psychedelics can help with this, but MMDA releases more chemicals like oxytocin that make you feel loved and safe. And much less chance of aliens and stuff.

Namaste

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Shakedown Street] * 2
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If things are not fully integrated into your psyche, psychedelics tend to make you re-live to an extent important aspects of that experience, and having re-lived it, helps you process it better.

Certain unprocessed experiences are like a minefield, triggering you if you step on them. The triggering of your issues serves your prain to try integrate it better.

Entheogens cause you to trip over that issue and make that fall, sometimes repeatedly, until you are done with it.

If an issue rarely comes up in trips anymore, it will likely rarely come up in sober life anymore, either.

Also, psychedelics are kinda like hot pepper: if you eat it regularly you get a higher tolerance for the burn and for pain in general.

Some of the most effective therapies that exist are ones that expose and confront you.

Psychedelics are all about that.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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Okay, Asante, I will try that ASAP.    Thank you for taking time to explain it so well.

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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
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Try to sit or lie down comfortably.

Try to relax your body and breath.

Eyes Closed

Focus on what you experience.

Allow it to flow through you.

Just let it flow through you.

It begins.

There's a plateau to it

A climax..

and it will go away.

And when it goes away while you let it be, it will be far less likely to come back to haunt you.

Some stories need out, and you try not to face up to them, but you're gonna have to.

So, its OK. Let it happen.

Let it flow through you and reach a resolve.


This Too Shall Pass.


I totally agree with this, and

as far as "insufficiently resolved experiences", do not sweat it.
the essential nature of experience - the yin and yang of it, is a thing which is resolving and never quite resolved ever anyway.


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: redgreenvines]
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not unresolved either
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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: Ferdinando]
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Resolution is really not the right word here. :shrug:


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Re: Psychedelics and messed-up things that happened to you in the past. [Re: PrimalSoup]
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maybe "in focus" would be a good alternative term for resolved.


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