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Not that Im voting for him but Id like clarification. Links?

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    Nope, and if you cant get past the basics of the ideology, I guess it's true wAt they say  they don't need to bother impressing me with the specifics .
    First u wanna tell me  Obama is the reason the reason no one is hiring ,  but the reason so many people aren't working is because their incapable of personal responsibility .  So which is it? Is no one hiring or is no one looking? Can't have it both ways.

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Seriously. His main selling point seems to be his management ability. If he can't even manage his own campaign, how can he be trusted to run the country??

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That's about all you need to know, I think. Aside from the fact that all these guys are puppets, the election is fixed, and we're all possibly on the border of fucked.

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Personally, I'm going with "we're all fucked".

And it's refreshing to see someone who seems to see past the false Left-Right paradigm designed for those asleep.

Over time, monied interests ALWAYS become entrenched, concentrating wealth and power, corrupting even democracies. That's why someone (Hmm..who was that??) said revolutions are due from time to time. The powerful always find a way around any system.

Otherwise known as:

Shit's rigged.

Politics is rigged with the two party system of paid-for pols. Unseen billionaires influencing our elections because of Citizens United.

Markets are rigged with massive so-called "Federal" Reserve intervention, front-running by brokerages, ZERO prosecution of the banksters, and no one seems to notice or care.

Statistics are rigged, with unemployment numbers, inflation, etc. all dramatically understated to hide what is really going on. 

No long attention-grabbing  bread lines around street corners, as seen during the Great Depression, because the poor are on food stamps.

A hand is always on the tiller.

The ONLY thing preventing the present system from outright collapse is LIES, money-printing, and the seemingly bottomless pit of Zombie-dom being displayed by a completely oblivious American public, hypnotized by bread and circuses, and their hand-held mastubatory devices cell phones. (Make believe Master-Of-Universe control panel.)

I strongly fucking suspect that the current trend of popularity of zombies in film is because the American people don't get it. Zombies are the Ultimate Mindless Consumers. They are you. The zombies are YOU! Don't you get it?? haha ho ho *slaps knee*

Has there ever been a people more utterly asleep than what we're witnessing today? Sleep walking over the fucking cliff we are.

Debating shit that doesn't matter.

The only populace to rival ours in delusion IMO is Imperial WWII Japan and Germany and the Roman Empire.
"And now back to your regularly scheduled brain-dead partisan witch hunt of the day led by the usual suspects ..." ......SEE BELOW..

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I guess Im not sold on Romney failing us. Not saying I super like him, and I appreciate the links. But I need more proof that hell suck then whats provided. I dont feel its been proven through tax cuts or his favoring of big business or his senator friends that hell blow.  Guess the consensus is the evidence is in my face hes not great. But to me not voting is a blank vote for Obama. Im voting for G J and thats obviously not a vote for Romney. But Im not throwing away a vote either. Not voting is half a vote for Obama and half for Romney. To me complaining about Romney is throwing support towards Obama. Might as well vote for Hitler.

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The ONLY thing sustaining the present system is LIES, money-printing, and the seemingly bottomless pit of Zombie-dom being displayed by a completely oblivious American public, hypnotized by bread and circuses, and their hand-held mastubatory devices cell phones. (Make believe Master-Of-Universe control panel.)

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That's about all you need to know, I think. Aside from the fact that all these guys are puppets, the election is fixed, and we're all possibly on the border of fucked.

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Personally, I'm going with "we're all fucked".

And it's refreshing to see someone who seems to see past the false Left-Right paradigm designed for those asleep.

Over time, monied interests ALWAYS become entrenched, concentrating wealth and power, corrupting even democracies. That's why someone (Hmm..who was that??) said revolutions are due from time to time. The powerful always find a way around any system.

Otherwise known as:

Shit's rigged.

Politics is rigged with the two party system of paid-for pols. Unseen billionaires influencing our elections because of Citizens United.

Markets are rigged with massive so-called "Federal" Reserve intervention, front-running by brokerages, ZERO prosecution of the banksters, and no one seems to notice or care.

Statistics are rigged, with unemployment numbers, inflation, etc. all dramatically understated to hide what is really going on. 

No long attention-grabbing  bread lines around street corners, as seen during the Great Depression, because the poor are on food stamps.

A hand is always on the tiller.

The ONLY thing preventing the present system from outright collapse is LIES, money-printing, and the seemingly bottomless pit of Zombie-dom being displayed by a completely oblivious American public, hypnotized by bread and circuses, and their hand-held mastubatory devices cell phones. (Make believe Master-Of-Universe control panel.)

I strongly fucking suspect that the current trend of popularity of zombies in film is because the American people don't get it. Zombies are the Ultimate Mindless Consumers. They are you. The zombies are YOU! Don't you get it?? haha ho ho *slaps knee*

Has there ever been a people more utterly asleep than what we're witnessing today? Sleep walking over the fucking cliff we are.

Debating shit that doesn't matter.

The only populace to rival ours in delusion IMO is Imperial WWII Japan and Germany and the Roman Empire.
"And now back to your regularly scheduled brain-dead partisan witch hunt of the day led by the usual suspects ..." ......SEE BELOW..

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I guess Im not sold on Romney failing us. Not saying I super like him, and I appreciate the links. But I need more proof that hell suck then whats provided. I dont feel its been proven through tax cuts or his favoring of big business or his senator friends that hell blow.  Guess the consensus is the evidence is in my face hes not great. But to me not voting is a blank vote for Obama. Im voting for G J and thats obviously not a vote for Romney. But Im not throwing away a vote either. Not voting is half a vote for Obama and half for Romney. To me complaining about Romney is throwing support towards Obama. Might as well vote for Hitler.

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It's not really Romney it's the Republican Party . Romney is just a ill say I fuck chickens with a shit eating grin  if you pay me man. For me it's a clash of ideologies not individuals. Gary's stigmatized by his support of marijuana and ending drug prohibition. Throw it away if u want. He's not electable on a national level . Not now. Just like protecting pot clubs would have given republicans the ability to call Obama a dope loving welfare  hitler.  ( Theres no shortage of pot clubs where I live, check out weed maps. ) Hitler was a meth addict who orchestrated the extermination of millions of Jews .  Obama killed Osama bin laden and even some our own citizens he thought might be a threat , not quite hitler. If you want Gary and the Libs to have a shot you need the republicans and the tea party to go. They'll kill his chances . You should be on my side , for now.
   
   

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The ONLY thing sustaining the present system is LIES, money-printing, and the seemingly bottomless pit of Zombie-dom being displayed by a completely oblivious American public, hypnotized by bread and circuses, and their hand-held mastubatory devices cell phones. (Make believe Master-Of-Universe control panel.)

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my fathers father has been saying this since  way back in the day , I used to think the world was ending back in 1984. The American public is more in tune than ever before. It's called the Information Age for reason. We're not fucked  this is the  best time in human history .

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First I established beyond dispute that lower income people tend to vote Democrat quite overwhelmingly.  So now you are trying to say that is because there are a lot of seniors on low fixed income.  But that is also disputed by the facts.  People over 65 vote more Republican than democrat by quite a large margin.  In 2010 it was 60-40 for Republicans.  You are spinning so hard you will soon be a Chinaman.

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No, i said that 47% percent that Romney referenced included seniors. Yes, you are correct about income and voting, by it is not as lopsided as you suggest with regards to low income voters. The GOP got 40% of those making under 30k per year. You imply that it's more like 10%. Nor is the higher income brackets as lopsided as you imply: For the 50-100k and 100-200k levels the GOP got 53% and 56%, respectively. This data from 2010 elections, btw.

The 47%: Who They Are, Where They Live, How They Vote, and Why They Matter
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/the-47-who-they-are-where-they-live-how-they-vote-and-why-they-matter/262506/

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You want Romney to lay block?  Again, just because you work full time doesn't mean you aren't a moocher.  Half of the population lives in a household that receives some kind of federal payment at my expense, not at all the expense of 50% of the population who don't pay any income taxes.  About 2/3rds of the other 50%, people who pay some income taxes, do not pay enough to carry their weight of the federal budget.

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First off, obviously income is not the only tax (with that in mind, it's actually a little under 20% that pay no federal taxes). Further, if Romney is going to advocate that a little over 50% of income tax go to warfare related expenses & drug prohibition (the former costing annually either around $900 billion or $1.1 trillion if counting the associated interest on the debt), he has no grounds to complain about high taxes.

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Once again I will point out that taxes from FICA have been mingled in the general tax fund since the sixties.  Money is fungible.  Further the shlubs only pay half of their FICA taxes.  The other half is paid by employers, although the shlubs gross income would go up if they had to pay the full FICA like self-employed people do.

I have not heard Romney advocate that 50% of tax revenue go to warfare related expenses.  Perhaps you could provide a link.  Drug prohibition?  Tell me again how Obama and Romney differ because I haven't seen any space between them.

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I read a market libertarian site or two and their contributors know that Romney and Ryan pretending they are for responsible spending is a scam; they aren't actually going to cut the deficit since they refuse to take a penny out of these two areas (and will probably increase them further). Like GWB, if elected they may well leave the federal budget worse off when they leave than what they inherited.

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Are you, Obama supporter making an argument in favor of less spending?  No, you are not.  All you argue is that they won't cut spending enough.  I agree with that.  But they aren't running against the tax ax man.  They are running against a socialist piece of shit who has utterly fucked the entire nation's economy.  Increasing the people's deficit to reduce the federal government's deficit is no solution to federal government bloat.  Remember, the federal government does not make money.  It takes money.

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As for the 53%, only 1/3 of them pull their own weight? If Romney and a given middle class person both pay around 14% income taxes, why is one a moocher and the other a productive member of society? Further, Romney may be paying even less if he's been using undisclosed overseas accounts and/or other loopholes over the years.

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  Romney pays millions, the moochers pay thousands.  Romney didn't even take all the charitable deductions he was entitled to and you are a smear merchant with this unsubstantiated nonsense about overseas accounts and loopholes, which are all perfectly legal.

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That's about all you need to know, I think. Aside from the fact that all these guys are puppets, the election is fixed, and we're all possibly on the border of fucked.

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Personally, I'm going with "we're all fucked".

And it's refreshing to see someone who seems to see past the false Left-Right paradigm designed for those asleep.

Over time, monied interests ALWAYS become entrenched, concentrating wealth and power, corrupting even democracies. That's why someone (Hmm..who was that??) said revolutions are due from time to time. The powerful always find a way around any system.

Otherwise known as:

Shit's rigged.

Politics is rigged with the two party system of paid-for pols. Unseen billionaires influencing our elections because of Citizens United.

Markets are rigged with massive so-called "Federal" Reserve intervention, front-running by brokerages, ZERO prosecution of the banksters, and no one seems to notice or care.

Statistics are rigged, with unemployment numbers, inflation, etc. all dramatically understated to hide what is really going on. 

No long attention-grabbing  bread lines around street corners, as seen during the Great Depression, because the poor are on food stamps.

A hand is always on the tiller.

The ONLY thing preventing the present system from outright collapse is LIES, money-printing, and the seemingly bottomless pit of Zombie-dom being displayed by a completely oblivious American public, hypnotized by bread and circuses, and their hand-held mastubatory devices cell phones. (Make believe Master-Of-Universe control panel.)

I strongly fucking suspect that the current trend of popularity of zombies in film is because the American people don't get it. Zombies are the Ultimate Mindless Consumers. They are you. The zombies are YOU! Don't you get it?? haha ho ho *slaps knee*

Has there ever been a people more utterly asleep than what we're witnessing today? Sleep walking over the fucking cliff we are.

Debating shit that doesn't matter.

The only populace to rival ours in delusion IMO is Imperial WWII Japan and Germany and the Roman Empire.
"And now back to your regularly scheduled brain-dead partisan witch hunt of the day led by the usual suspects ..." ......SEE BELOW..

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EntheogenicPeace said:

http://www.heritage.org/federalbudget/federal-revenue-sources

The bottom line: the u.s. federal government more or less has to pay out ss and medicare benefits for the foreseeable future (even if it started today to phase out those programs for people currently working and soon to enter the workforce), to those who have been paying in.

If total federal revenues are $2.3 trillion, and in addition to the above it is indefinitely going to spend in the ballpark of $1.25 trillion for military and drug prohibition total costs, it is impossible really to even balance the budget, let alone reduce the deficit.

Hence, R & R pretending that they are fiscal conservatives is a total fraud, and the msm never challenge them; they just let this narrative go unchallenged. And yes, Obummer is a fraud as well, but for other reasons since nobody has ever labeled him a fiscal conservative.

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It seems most of us are voting for Gary Johnson, even though he wont win. So weve proven that we are fucked.

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Jesus wept.

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It seems most of us are voting for Gary Johnson, even though he wont win. So weve proven that we are fucked.

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Well, you've proven that the prospect of allowing Obama to complete his destruction of the US and thereby fuck over you and your generation forever is of less importance to you than making what even you recognize as a completely futile and totally useless "statement". How does that make sense, anyway? Seriously, what is the reasoning behind pulling such an absurd stunt? Is it so that while the destruction is occurring, you can smugly proclaim, "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him!" or what, exactly?

Jesus wept.


Phred

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Well, you've proven that the prospect of allowing Obama to complete his destruction of the US and thereby fuck over you and your generation forever is of less importance to you than making what even you recognize as a completely futile and totally useless "statement". How does that make sense, anyway? Seriously, what is the reasoning behind pulling such an absurd stunt? Is it so that while the destruction is occurring, you can smugly proclaim, "Don't blame me. I didn't vote for him!" or what, exactly?

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